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Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 1:55 pm**

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yagac8dm

What do you guys think about this one?

Vucevic (12.75M expiring), Ross (10.5M expiring) and Simmons (only 1M of his salary is GTD) for Russell (RFA end of year), Hollis-Jefferson (RFA end of year) and Crabbe (18.5M next year). No picks involved.

Magic get a PG that they may have been looking to chase in free agency anyway. They add an overpaid (but desperately needed) 3PT shooter on the wing as well as a young combo forward to play off the bench.

Nets clear Crabbe's 18.5M contract off the books, maximizing their 2019 cap space to legitimately go chase two max free agents at the expense of two guys they likely are going to let walk anyway.

Magic eat the short term loss on Crabbe $$ wise, but acquire two guys that can grow with their core while keeping their 2020 FA window open depending on how much/if they pay Russell and Hollis-Jefferson.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 2:22 pm**

This is tempting to be honest because Russell's cap hold is problematic and Crabbe is definitely picking up that 18 mil.

I really don't want the Nets to part ways with Hollis-Jefferson because he's a good young player who can be retained for cheap, I don't think hes' getting anything north of 11 mil at most. The Nets can afford to keep him and still have max space if they were to get rid of Russell's cap hold and Crabbe's 18 mil.

How about this trade and we toss in a 2nd rounder? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydxux8x8 same deal minus Hollis-Jefferson?

That being said, I would seriously consider the first deal that you proposed because Rodion Kurocs looks like he could be a game changer at stretch 4 for us, but Hollis-Jefferson is honestly the only true young two way player we have on the team.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 3:01 pm**

Knightro wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yagac8dm

What do you guys think about this one?

Vucevic (12.75M expiring), Ross (10.5M expiring) and Simmons (only 1M of his salary is GTD) for Russell (RFA end of year), Hollis-Jefferson (RFA end of year) and Crabbe (18.5M next year). No picks involved.

Magic get a PG that they may have been looking to chase in free agency anyway. They add an overpaid (but desperately needed) 3PT shooter on the wing as well as a young combo forward to play off the bench.

Nets clear Crabbe's 18.5M contract off the books, maximizing their 2019 cap space to legitimately go chase two max free agents at the expense of two guys they likely are going to let walk anyway.

Magic eat the short term loss on Crabbe $$ wise, but acquire two guys that can grow with their core while keeping their 2020 FA window open depending on how much/if they pay Russell and Hollis-Jefferson.

I'm not sure the Nets will part with Russell to unload Crabbe yet. That sounds like a deadline deal at best, but I still think they hold on to Russell & see what the market bears in RFA. He's an insurance policy right now, and Crabbe could, at worst, be dumped with the Denver pick later. I think the Nets make a Russell deal if it returns an asset.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 3:37 pm**

TheNetsFan wrote:
Knightro wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yagac8dm

What do you guys think about this one?

Vucevic (12.75M expiring), Ross (10.5M expiring) and Simmons (only 1M of his salary is GTD) for Russell (RFA end of year), Hollis-Jefferson (RFA end of year) and Crabbe (18.5M next year). No picks involved.

Magic get a PG that they may have been looking to chase in free agency anyway. They add an overpaid (but desperately needed) 3PT shooter on the wing as well as a young combo forward to play off the bench.

Nets clear Crabbe's 18.5M contract off the books, maximizing their 2019 cap space to legitimately go chase two max free agents at the expense of two guys they likely are going to let walk anyway.

Magic eat the short term loss on Crabbe $$ wise, but acquire two guys that can grow with their core while keeping their 2020 FA window open depending on how much/if they pay Russell and Hollis-Jefferson.

I'm not sure the Nets will part with Russell to unload Crabbe yet. That sounds like a deadline deal at best, but I still think they hold on to Russell & see what the market bears in RFA. He's an insurance policy right now, and Crabbe could, at worst, be dumped with the Denver pick later. I think the Nets make a Russell deal if it returns an asset.

That cap hold though is a serious issue. The Nets have to be thinking about how that could hamper things in the summer.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 3:44 pm**

TheNetsFan wrote:I'm not sure the Nets will part with Russell to unload Crabbe yet. That sounds like a deadline deal at best, but I still think they hold on to Russell & see what the market bears in RFA. He's an insurance policy right now, and Crabbe could, at worst, be dumped with the Denver pick later. I think the Nets make a Russell deal if it returns an asset.

This is fair.

Nets could extend Russell a QO and go into the summer with him as part of the fallback plan if they aren't able to land 1-2 max players.

If they are able to land a big fish or two, they can just rescind the QO and make Russell an UFA.

Only issue would be if a team (like the Magic perhaps?) immediately threw an offer sheet at him early in free agency. Especially if it was a deal that the Nets would consider matching. That would tie up some of Brooklyn's money that they might not want to have tied up.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 4:04 pm**

MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
Knightro wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yagac8dm

What do you guys think about this one?

Vucevic (12.75M expiring), Ross (10.5M expiring) and Simmons (only 1M of his salary is GTD) for Russell (RFA end of year), Hollis-Jefferson (RFA end of year) and Crabbe (18.5M next year). No picks involved.

Magic get a PG that they may have been looking to chase in free agency anyway. They add an overpaid (but desperately needed) 3PT shooter on the wing as well as a young combo forward to play off the bench.

Nets clear Crabbe's 18.5M contract off the books, maximizing their 2019 cap space to legitimately go chase two max free agents at the expense of two guys they likely are going to let walk anyway.

Magic eat the short term loss on Crabbe $$ wise, but acquire two guys that can grow with their core while keeping their 2020 FA window open depending on how much/if they pay Russell and Hollis-Jefferson.

I'm not sure the Nets will part with Russell to unload Crabbe yet. That sounds like a deadline deal at best, but I still think they hold on to Russell & see what the market bears in RFA. He's an insurance policy right now, and Crabbe could, at worst, be dumped with the Denver pick later. I think the Nets make a Russell deal if it returns an asset.

That cap hold though is a serious issue. The Nets have to be thinking about how that could hamper things in the summer.

The cap hold is a non-issue. It's incredibly overblown. The Nets have tons of space. He can be signed right away for less or he can be renounced and signed with cap space later. It's not an issue until a second big FA is ready to sign.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 4:14 pm**

Knightro wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm not sure the Nets will part with Russell to unload Crabbe yet. That sounds like a deadline deal at best, but I still think they hold on to Russell & see what the market bears in RFA. He's an insurance policy right now, and Crabbe could, at worst, be dumped with the Denver pick later. I think the Nets make a Russell deal if it returns an asset.

Only issue would be if a team (like the Magic perhaps?) immediately threw an offer sheet at him early in free agency. Especially if it was a deal that the Nets would consider matching. That would tie up some of Brooklyn's money that they might not want to have tied up.

Given the long legal tampering period, they'll know before the clock starts if they've landed anybody.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 4:40 pm**

TheNetsFan wrote:Given the long legal tampering period, they'll know before the clock starts if they've landed anybody.

You're not wrong, but it works both ways too.

Russell can negotiate and sign an offer sheet with another club during that same time frame. Yes, the Nets would *probably* know if they have a major signing or multiple major signings in the back before hand, but if Russell were to get an offer immediately and one of the bigger name FAs wanted to take his time, it could be a little dicey.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:57 pm**

no way I'm sending RHJ out on this deal. I would do this without RHJ but this is way too much value going back to Magics and were only getting expirings.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 6:19 pm**

Knightro wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Given the long legal tampering period, they'll know before the clock starts if they've landed anybody.

You're not wrong, but it works both ways too.

Russell can negotiate and sign an offer sheet with another club during that same time frame. Yes, the Nets would *probably* know if they have a major signing or multiple major signings in the back before hand, but if Russell were to get an offer immediately and one of the bigger name FAs wanted to take his time, it could be a little dicey.

Even if Russell were to sign during the legal tampering period, the match clock doesn't start until the moratorium is lifted. So at worst, the Nets have the entire legal tampering period, plus 2 days to obtain commitments. If recent FAs are any indication, e.g. Lebron to LA, many players have their minds made up before it's even legal to start negotiating.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 6:27 pm**

TheNetsFan wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm not sure the Nets will part with Russell to unload Crabbe yet. That sounds like a deadline deal at best, but I still think they hold on to Russell & see what the market bears in RFA. He's an insurance policy right now, and Crabbe could, at worst, be dumped with the Denver pick later. I think the Nets make a Russell deal if it returns an asset.

That cap hold though is a serious issue. The Nets have to be thinking about how that could hamper things in the summer.

The cap hold is a non-issue. It's incredibly overblown. The Nets have tons of space. He can be signed right away for less or he can be renounced and signed with cap space later. It's not an issue until a second big FA is ready to sign.

Educate me, I thought that the 20 mil hold prevents us from having tons of cap space especially when you factor in Crabbe's 18 mil?

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 6:46 pm**

MrDollarBills wrote:Educate me, I thought that the 20 mil hold prevents us from having tons of cap space especially when you factor in Crabbe's 18 mil?

Not to speak for him, but Russell's cap hold is just that, a hold.

If the Nets come to a verbal agreement with another high priced FA, they can simply renounce Russell's bird rights/withdraw his qualifying offer and remove his cap hold. They'd lose the ability to go over the salary cap to sign him essentially and would only be able to bring him back with existing cap space.

Russell's large cap hold is not really binding in any way. If they have any interest in keeping him, it would make sense to go into FA with his cap hold on the books since it can be taken off at any time.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 6:48 pm**

MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
That cap hold though is a serious issue. The Nets have to be thinking about how that could hamper things in the summer.

The cap hold is a non-issue. It's incredibly overblown. The Nets have tons of space. He can be signed right away for less or he can be renounced and signed with cap space later. It's not an issue until a second big FA is ready to sign.

Educate me, I thought that the 20 mil hold prevents us from having tons of cap space especially when you factor in Crabbe's 18 mil?

Without doing anything but renouncing the expensive older guys (Carroll, Dudley, Faried, Davis), we'll have between $29-$30mil in cap space, assuming the draft picks are roughly #11 & #26. Only minor moves would be needed to get to a 30% max slot, e.g. trading away or draft & stashing a 1st, renouncing RHJ, having Crabbe opt out & sign for less, buyout Crabbe, or sign DLo to a deal that is less than his $21mil cap hold.

To have a chance to get to 2 max slots, more work would be required, as at least one of Crabbe or DLo and one of RHJ or Harris (not happening) would have to go.

If you unload Crabbe, and DLo signs a deal starting under $18mil (looking likely), you could theoretically sign 2 external max contracts & keep DLo & Dinwiddie. That would likely require letting RHJ walk.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 6:58 pm**

Thanks for the break down from you both.

I don't think Russell has shown thus far that he's worth north of 12 mil.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 7:48 pm**

They should see if anyone else wants him first.

Posted: **Fri Nov 9, 2018 11:25 pm**

It's a tempting deal, RHJ is the only real asset being given up there, and it would do a lot for our capspace in the summer. But the thing is that it highly relies on whether we can get anyone good in FA, and that is something we can't predict. But yea, I'd definitely be tempted to do that trade.

Posted: **Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:42 am**

MrDollarBills wrote:Thanks for the break down from you both.

I don't think Russell has shown thus far that he's worth north of 12 mil.

If that's true (I believe he'll get more), then you sign him ASAP & free up another $9mil. In that scenario, you'd have all your guard depth (LeVert, DLo, Dinwiddie & Napier) for about $30mil. Then you can go all-in on forwards. That is actually the plan I'd strive for.

Posted: **Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:06 am**

TheNetsFan wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Thanks for the break down from you both.

I don't think Russell has shown thus far that he's worth north of 12 mil.

If that's true (I believe he'll get more), then you sign him ASAP & free up another $9mil. In that scenario, you'd have all your guard depth (LeVert, DLo, Dinwiddie & Napier) for about $30mil. Then you can go all-in on forwards. That is actually the plan I'd strive for.

This is actually not a bad idea if we can get Russell on a cheaper contract. I'm not against keeping this backcourt intact but not at a price tag that is obscene.

I like Russell and would not mind him staying but not at a high price. LeVert is clearly the lead guard on this team. We can't be paying Russell lead guard money when he's clearly not.

Posted: **Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:17 am**

MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Thanks for the break down from you both.

I don't think Russell has shown thus far that he's worth north of 12 mil.

If that's true (I believe he'll get more), then you sign him ASAP & free up another $9mil. In that scenario, you'd have all your guard depth (LeVert, DLo, Dinwiddie & Napier) for about $30mil. Then you can go all-in on forwards. That is actually the plan I'd strive for.

This is actually not a bad idea if we can get Russell on a cheaper contract. I'm not against keeping this backcourt intact but not at a price tag that is obscene.

I like Russell and would not mind him staying but not at a high price. LeVert is clearly the lead guard on this team. We can't be paying Russell lead guard money when he's clearly not.

As of now, I think he'll wind up with Lavine/Gordon money, which on an escalating contract could start around $16mil.

Posted: **Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:20 am**

TheNetsFan wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:If that's true (I believe he'll get more), then you sign him ASAP & free up another $9mil. In that scenario, you'd have all your guard depth (LeVert, DLo, Dinwiddie & Napier) for about $30mil. Then you can go all-in on forwards. That is actually the plan I'd strive for.

This is actually not a bad idea if we can get Russell on a cheaper contract. I'm not against keeping this backcourt intact but not at a price tag that is obscene.

I like Russell and would not mind him staying but not at a high price. LeVert is clearly the lead guard on this team. We can't be paying Russell lead guard money when he's clearly not.

As of now, I think he'll wind up with Lavine/Gordon money, which on an escalating contract could start around $16mil.

I don't like that with Crabbe sucking up 18 mil in cap.

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