An In-depth look and Analysis of 2019 off-season and the future
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An In-depth look and Analysis of 2019 off-season and the future
Hey guys I've been working at this at my spare time for a week now. And this gives us the idea of what can happen this off-season. Most of the information was through our conversations on this board. However, I really want you to read the second half(Missing out on FA) which are new information that can give us a new perspective of what to come this off-season.
2019 Situation:
Depth Chart:
???? / Dinwiddie / Napier*
LeVert / Harris / Musa
???? / Kurucs / Crabbe / Graham*
???? / ???? / ????
Allen / ????
FA 2019 list:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/09/2019-nba-free-agents.html
On the Books
A. Crabbe - 18.50 (P) (lets be real no way he leaves)
S. Dinwiddie - 10.60
J. Harris - 7.66
C. LeVert - 2.62
J. Allen - 2.37
D. Musa - 1.91
R. Kurucs - 1.69
=45.35
Draft Picks
Denver FRP - (26)2.03 (27)1.97 (28)1.96 (29)1.94 (30)1.93
Nets FRP - (14)3.45 (15)3.28 (16)3.11 (17)2.96 (18)2.81
= 5.48-4.74
Knicks SRP (Does not have a cap hold and can be signed anytime but it uses salary cap so if we are over the cap and used our exceptions we can only give the minimum and not able to give a 4 year deal like we did with Kurucs)
Non-Guaranteed/Team Option
T. Graham - 1.64 non-guaranteed
S. Napier - 1.84 (T)
=3.48
Empty Roster Charge
.89 (must have 12th spots)
Dead Money
D. Williams 5.5
Projected 2019 Salary Cap: 109
Cap Total: 60.70 - 59.96
Cap Space: 48.3 - 49.04
Renounce non-guaranteed: (Both)50.00 - 50.74 (Keep Napier) 49.05 - 49.79 (Keep Graham) 49.25 - 49.99
Hypotheticals:
Signing 2 max contracts:
65.4 is the sweet number for 2 max players with the exception of Kevin Durant (possibly Cousins) since they have at least 10 years of experience. If we need Durant+Max player, we would need 70.85. These are the projections:
109m: Projected salary cap
0-6 years (Randle, Porzingis*RFA) is 25% of the cap: $27.25mil
7-9 years (Kawhi, Kyrie, Butler) is 30% of the cap: $32.7mil
10= years (KD) is 35% of the cap: $38.15mil
The big question, can the Nets sign 2 max players this offseason? Yes, but not everyone(technically). The Nets currently have around 48.3 - 49.04 space. In order for this to happen we need to trade Crabbe’s contract along with asset(s) for entice teams to take him on. Unfortunately say goodbye to DLO and RHJ.
Musa, Denver FRP (28), Crabbe = 22.37 - 2.67(.89x3 empty roster charge) = 19.7
= 68.00 - 68.74
If Napier and graham are renounce:
= 69.70 - 70.44
So obviously we have enough with a combo pair like Kyrie+Kawhi, Klay+Butler, etc. if Durant is looking to pair up somewhere he can take a small pay-cut in order for that to happen in BKN which happened in the past with big time FAs.
Signing Russell+Max contract
While, there is a possibility the Nets can trade Crabbe+Asset(s) to open up cap-space, the most likely outcome is not having a suitor to help us in the goal we are trying to accomplish. Then the most likely scenario becomes resigning Russell and keeping all the minor assets we have to continue the culture the Nets built from within. Despite that situation, we would still be in contention to sign a max contract. Although, this would mean it will ultimately be on Russell’s decision his willing to play with the Nets. In addition, Marks also needs to execute these transactions in a certain order to make it happen. Since Russell’s cap hold21m) would not let us give max offers to star players. He and Marks would need to come into terms quickly during the FA moratorium period for this scenario to be possible. Russell’s contract will most likely range between 4 years, 70-80m(We will need renounce one or both Napier and/or Graham) If we are lucky he might accept a similar contract Capela accepted at 5yr/90m which started around 13.79m.
Russell - 15.73 4yr/70m
- 18.73 4yr/80m
*If this situation happens we would not have a chance on landing KD(unless he takes a pretty big payout).
Missing out on the top FA.
While, the Nets are playing great basketball this season. Top FA still might not be convince to want to come here due to a number reasons. We can go after 2nd tier players like Tobias Harris which in theory, a pretty good move due to his fit with the team. However, there is still that imposing question that if we do give a player like Tobias Harris a max deal, Do we have enough talent to contend with current roster we have? Is Sean Marks willing to roll the dice with Russell and LeVert to take that leap to superstardom? Maxing Tobias will force us to act as an over the cap team. Hence, it will maleate our flexibility on adding top talent. Therefore, we will be stuck on the NBA purgatory with a team’s top potential is only the second round. There is still a chance for us going farther than the expectation with a core of LeVert, Russell, Harris, and Allen like a trade that let us take that next step of being real dynasty team (i.e. Marbury for Kidd trade). However, with his route we will need a lot of luck on our side for this to be reality.
So what if I tell you, there is still another route to keep our flexibility open and at the same time improve this young core while our window of opportunity is still open?
2020 Situation:
S. Dinwiddie - 11.45
J. Allen - 3.9
R. Kurucs - 1.78
2019 Denver Rookie (30) - 1.90
2019 Nets Rookie (16) - 3.06
2020 Nets Rookie (20) - 2.6
=24.69
Non-Guaranteed
D. Musa - 2.00 (T)
Cap Hold
J. Harris - 11.49
C. LeVert - 3.76
= 15.25
Projected Signing
D. Russell(4yr/70m) - 16.91
Projected 2020 Salary Cap: 118m
Total: 26.69
Space: 91.31
Total(with cap hold): 41.94
Space(with cap hold): 76.06
Total(with cap hold and projected signing): 56.85
Space(with cap hold and projected signing): 61.15
2020 Epxiring (off the books):
A. Crabbe 18.5
D. Williams 5.5
In 2020, Crabbe and Williams’ contract will be officially of the books. Which gives us a total 24m in cap space and addition of the projected salary cap is 118m. Thus giving us 33m in space. The max contract that can be offered for 6-9 year pros this year will be 35.4m. However, you need to account that Harris and LeVert will be expiring in 2020 and we can’t renounce those cap hold (which cost 15.25m altogether) since we intend to keep those players. So technically, the space that we will be having will be around 17.75m.
So what does this all mean? It means if we want to go after top FA in 2020, we would need to sign a percentage of the cap space in 2019 as an expiring contract in order for us to have 35.4m open by 2020. Why 2020? We go after AD a franchise player rather than Tobias Harris.
So how can you make this work? If we intend to keep all our assets in 2019 (Den FRP, Musa, Napier, Graham, etc) and sign Russell into a family friendly salary (i.e. 4/70m) we would have around 33 – 35m in capspace. In order to keep our hopes of going after AD in FA, we can only spend 50% of that cap space with multiple years. The rest of the cap space and exception must be spent with 1 year deals. So who can we sign around the estimation of 16.5-17.5 cap space? There are 3 key signing that we can make in order for this to work.
Malcolm Brogdon (4yr/50m)
Paul Millsap (1+1(T)yr/35m)
Back up C (1yr/4.4m) (exception)
Why Brogdon? Brogdon situation is very similar to Tyler Johnson when we gave him an offer back in 2016-2017 season. The Bucks cap situation is already in turmoil being that they have to offer Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Brook Lopez new contracts in order to keep their core alive. Thus giving us a chance to swoop Malcolm Brogdon into a team friendly contract. If the Bucks match the offer, they’ll be stuck with Malcolm Brogdon with Poison Pill Provision contract. Being that they are a small market team this gives us a huge leverage in the future.
In conclusion our projected line up in 2019 would be:
D. Russell / S. Dinwiddie / S. Napier
M. Brogdon / J. Harris / D. Musa
C. LeVert / R. Kurucs / Draft SRP*
P. Millsap / Draft / J. Dudley (minimum)
J. Allen / 4.4m exception / Draft*
2020 Projected line up:
D. Russell / S. Dinwiddie / 2020 Draft*
M. Brogdon / J. Harris / D. Musa
C. LeVert / R. Kurucs / Draft SRP*
A. Davis? / Draft*
J. Allen / Draft*
*Remember this is also a high risk option since the 2020 FA list is not a strong list. However, this gives us one more chance to work as an under the cap team, gives us another young asset to be potentially dealt in the future with high value, it lets our young players grow with no pressure of taking smaller steps, and ultimately destroys another franchise in the same conference.
FA 2020 list:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/2020-nba-free-agents.html
2019 Situation:
Depth Chart:
???? / Dinwiddie / Napier*
LeVert / Harris / Musa
???? / Kurucs / Crabbe / Graham*
???? / ???? / ????
Allen / ????
FA 2019 list:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/09/2019-nba-free-agents.html
On the Books
A. Crabbe - 18.50 (P) (lets be real no way he leaves)
S. Dinwiddie - 10.60
J. Harris - 7.66
C. LeVert - 2.62
J. Allen - 2.37
D. Musa - 1.91
R. Kurucs - 1.69
=45.35
Draft Picks
Denver FRP - (26)2.03 (27)1.97 (28)1.96 (29)1.94 (30)1.93
Nets FRP - (14)3.45 (15)3.28 (16)3.11 (17)2.96 (18)2.81
= 5.48-4.74
Knicks SRP (Does not have a cap hold and can be signed anytime but it uses salary cap so if we are over the cap and used our exceptions we can only give the minimum and not able to give a 4 year deal like we did with Kurucs)
Non-Guaranteed/Team Option
T. Graham - 1.64 non-guaranteed
S. Napier - 1.84 (T)
=3.48
Empty Roster Charge
.89 (must have 12th spots)
Dead Money
D. Williams 5.5
Projected 2019 Salary Cap: 109
Cap Total: 60.70 - 59.96
Cap Space: 48.3 - 49.04
Renounce non-guaranteed: (Both)50.00 - 50.74 (Keep Napier) 49.05 - 49.79 (Keep Graham) 49.25 - 49.99
Hypotheticals:
Signing 2 max contracts:
65.4 is the sweet number for 2 max players with the exception of Kevin Durant (possibly Cousins) since they have at least 10 years of experience. If we need Durant+Max player, we would need 70.85. These are the projections:
109m: Projected salary cap
0-6 years (Randle, Porzingis*RFA) is 25% of the cap: $27.25mil
7-9 years (Kawhi, Kyrie, Butler) is 30% of the cap: $32.7mil
10= years (KD) is 35% of the cap: $38.15mil
The big question, can the Nets sign 2 max players this offseason? Yes, but not everyone(technically). The Nets currently have around 48.3 - 49.04 space. In order for this to happen we need to trade Crabbe’s contract along with asset(s) for entice teams to take him on. Unfortunately say goodbye to DLO and RHJ.
Musa, Denver FRP (28), Crabbe = 22.37 - 2.67(.89x3 empty roster charge) = 19.7
= 68.00 - 68.74
If Napier and graham are renounce:
= 69.70 - 70.44
So obviously we have enough with a combo pair like Kyrie+Kawhi, Klay+Butler, etc. if Durant is looking to pair up somewhere he can take a small pay-cut in order for that to happen in BKN which happened in the past with big time FAs.
Signing Russell+Max contract
While, there is a possibility the Nets can trade Crabbe+Asset(s) to open up cap-space, the most likely outcome is not having a suitor to help us in the goal we are trying to accomplish. Then the most likely scenario becomes resigning Russell and keeping all the minor assets we have to continue the culture the Nets built from within. Despite that situation, we would still be in contention to sign a max contract. Although, this would mean it will ultimately be on Russell’s decision his willing to play with the Nets. In addition, Marks also needs to execute these transactions in a certain order to make it happen. Since Russell’s cap hold21m) would not let us give max offers to star players. He and Marks would need to come into terms quickly during the FA moratorium period for this scenario to be possible. Russell’s contract will most likely range between 4 years, 70-80m(We will need renounce one or both Napier and/or Graham) If we are lucky he might accept a similar contract Capela accepted at 5yr/90m which started around 13.79m.
Russell - 15.73 4yr/70m
- 18.73 4yr/80m
*If this situation happens we would not have a chance on landing KD(unless he takes a pretty big payout).
Missing out on the top FA.
While, the Nets are playing great basketball this season. Top FA still might not be convince to want to come here due to a number reasons. We can go after 2nd tier players like Tobias Harris which in theory, a pretty good move due to his fit with the team. However, there is still that imposing question that if we do give a player like Tobias Harris a max deal, Do we have enough talent to contend with current roster we have? Is Sean Marks willing to roll the dice with Russell and LeVert to take that leap to superstardom? Maxing Tobias will force us to act as an over the cap team. Hence, it will maleate our flexibility on adding top talent. Therefore, we will be stuck on the NBA purgatory with a team’s top potential is only the second round. There is still a chance for us going farther than the expectation with a core of LeVert, Russell, Harris, and Allen like a trade that let us take that next step of being real dynasty team (i.e. Marbury for Kidd trade). However, with his route we will need a lot of luck on our side for this to be reality.
So what if I tell you, there is still another route to keep our flexibility open and at the same time improve this young core while our window of opportunity is still open?
2020 Situation:
S. Dinwiddie - 11.45
J. Allen - 3.9
R. Kurucs - 1.78
2019 Denver Rookie (30) - 1.90
2019 Nets Rookie (16) - 3.06
2020 Nets Rookie (20) - 2.6
=24.69
Non-Guaranteed
D. Musa - 2.00 (T)
Cap Hold
J. Harris - 11.49
C. LeVert - 3.76
= 15.25
Projected Signing
D. Russell(4yr/70m) - 16.91
Projected 2020 Salary Cap: 118m
Total: 26.69
Space: 91.31
Total(with cap hold): 41.94
Space(with cap hold): 76.06
Total(with cap hold and projected signing): 56.85
Space(with cap hold and projected signing): 61.15
2020 Epxiring (off the books):
A. Crabbe 18.5
D. Williams 5.5
In 2020, Crabbe and Williams’ contract will be officially of the books. Which gives us a total 24m in cap space and addition of the projected salary cap is 118m. Thus giving us 33m in space. The max contract that can be offered for 6-9 year pros this year will be 35.4m. However, you need to account that Harris and LeVert will be expiring in 2020 and we can’t renounce those cap hold (which cost 15.25m altogether) since we intend to keep those players. So technically, the space that we will be having will be around 17.75m.
So what does this all mean? It means if we want to go after top FA in 2020, we would need to sign a percentage of the cap space in 2019 as an expiring contract in order for us to have 35.4m open by 2020. Why 2020? We go after AD a franchise player rather than Tobias Harris.
So how can you make this work? If we intend to keep all our assets in 2019 (Den FRP, Musa, Napier, Graham, etc) and sign Russell into a family friendly salary (i.e. 4/70m) we would have around 33 – 35m in capspace. In order to keep our hopes of going after AD in FA, we can only spend 50% of that cap space with multiple years. The rest of the cap space and exception must be spent with 1 year deals. So who can we sign around the estimation of 16.5-17.5 cap space? There are 3 key signing that we can make in order for this to work.
Malcolm Brogdon (4yr/50m)
Paul Millsap (1+1(T)yr/35m)
Back up C (1yr/4.4m) (exception)
Why Brogdon? Brogdon situation is very similar to Tyler Johnson when we gave him an offer back in 2016-2017 season. The Bucks cap situation is already in turmoil being that they have to offer Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Brook Lopez new contracts in order to keep their core alive. Thus giving us a chance to swoop Malcolm Brogdon into a team friendly contract. If the Bucks match the offer, they’ll be stuck with Malcolm Brogdon with Poison Pill Provision contract. Being that they are a small market team this gives us a huge leverage in the future.
In conclusion our projected line up in 2019 would be:
D. Russell / S. Dinwiddie / S. Napier
M. Brogdon / J. Harris / D. Musa
C. LeVert / R. Kurucs / Draft SRP*
P. Millsap / Draft / J. Dudley (minimum)
J. Allen / 4.4m exception / Draft*
2020 Projected line up:
D. Russell / S. Dinwiddie / 2020 Draft*
M. Brogdon / J. Harris / D. Musa
C. LeVert / R. Kurucs / Draft SRP*
A. Davis? / Draft*
J. Allen / Draft*
*Remember this is also a high risk option since the 2020 FA list is not a strong list. However, this gives us one more chance to work as an under the cap team, gives us another young asset to be potentially dealt in the future with high value, it lets our young players grow with no pressure of taking smaller steps, and ultimately destroys another franchise in the same conference.
FA 2020 list:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/2020-nba-free-agents.html
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" Russell’s contract will most likely range between 4 years, 70-80m"
Russell's contract will most likely be 4 or 5 year max.
Russell's contract will most likely be 4 or 5 year max.
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yanuary wrote:" Russell’s contract will most likely range between 4 years, 70-80m"
Russell's contract will most likely be 4 or 5 year max.
If you wanna talk about how great Russell is there is a thread for that. Please read the whole thing so you'd have an understanding why he is not getting a max from the Nets. Instead hitting CNTRL+F and look for every Russell word So you can embrace this non-sensical love for him.
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DeRoma wrote:yanuary wrote:" Russell’s contract will most likely range between 4 years, 70-80m"
Russell's contract will most likely be 4 or 5 year max.
If you wanna talk about how great Russell is there is a thread for that. Please read the whole thing so you'd have an understanding why he is not getting a max from the Nets. Instead hitting CNTRL+F and look for every Russell word So you can embrace this non-sensical love for him.
Don't think there's a reason to torch the guy when it actually is very possible a team maxes Russell and forces the Nets hand one way or another. You say he's not getting a max from us, who says this is actually reality? If they can sign Kyrie they'll obviously let him go, if they can't get him specifically, or don't need the money to literally sign a Kawhi, etc., not just sign one in theory, they'll probably match that max.
The hope is they can reach a quick and reasonable contract extension with DLo if that's what helps all parties, it doesn't mean Russell will oblige and in Marks case, if he's heard he's going to be able and pair Kyrie and another max guy, he'll let Russell walk.

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vincecarter4pres wrote:DeRoma wrote:yanuary wrote:" Russell’s contract will most likely range between 4 years, 70-80m"
Russell's contract will most likely be 4 or 5 year max.
If you wanna talk about how great Russell is there is a thread for that. Please read the whole thing so you'd have an understanding why he is not getting a max from the Nets. Instead hitting CNTRL+F and look for every Russell word So you can embrace this non-sensical love for him.
Don't think there's a reason to torch the guy when it actually is very possible a team maxes Russell and forces the Nets hand one way or another. You say he's not getting a max from us, who says this is actually reality? If they can sign Kyrie they'll obviously let him go, if they can't get him specifically, or don't need the money to literally sign a Kawhi, etc., not just sign one in theory, they'll probably match that max.
The hope is they can reach a quick and reasonable contract extension with DLo if that's what helps all parties, it doesn't mean Russell will oblige and in Marks case, if he's heard he's going to be able and pair Kyrie and another max guy, he'll let Russell walk.
So do you honestly believe DLO will get 4yr/150+m starting at 27m?

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DeRoma wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:DeRoma wrote:
If you wanna talk about how great Russell is there is a thread for that. Please read the whole thing so you'd have an understanding why he is not getting a max from the Nets. Instead hitting CNTRL+F and look for every Russell word So you can embrace this non-sensical love for him.
Don't think there's a reason to torch the guy when it actually is very possible a team maxes Russell and forces the Nets hand one way or another. You say he's not getting a max from us, who says this is actually reality? If they can sign Kyrie they'll obviously let him go, if they can't get him specifically, or don't need the money to literally sign a Kawhi, etc., not just sign one in theory, they'll probably match that max.
The hope is they can reach a quick and reasonable contract extension with DLo if that's what helps all parties, it doesn't mean Russell will oblige and in Marks case, if he's heard he's going to be able and pair Kyrie and another max guy, he'll let Russell walk.
So do you honestly believe DLO will get 4yr/150+m starting at 27m?
One thing to realize is that it only takes one team.....
Also, his buddies all got max deals.... Booker, Kat and Embiid. I highly doubt he will take some BK discount to play as a Net.
Fair estimate was 20m/year, however, if he continues to play the way he does recently, a max isn't really far fetched at all...
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RonaldoMamba wrote:DeRoma wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:Don't think there's a reason to torch the guy when it actually is very possible a team maxes Russell and forces the Nets hand one way or another. You say he's not getting a max from us, who says this is actually reality? If they can sign Kyrie they'll obviously let him go, if they can't get him specifically, or don't need the money to literally sign a Kawhi, etc., not just sign one in theory, they'll probably match that max.
The hope is they can reach a quick and reasonable contract extension with DLo if that's what helps all parties, it doesn't mean Russell will oblige and in Marks case, if he's heard he's going to be able and pair Kyrie and another max guy, he'll let Russell walk.
So do you honestly believe DLO will get 4yr/150+m starting at 27m?
One thing to realize is that it only takes one team.....
Also, his buddies all got max deals.... Booker, Kat and Embiid. I highly doubt he will take some BK discount to play as a Net.
Fair estimate was 20m/year, however, if he continues to play the way he does recently, a max isn't really far fetched at all...
One thing that gets underrated in the long game with DLo is that he seems very popular among players his age. 3-4 years from now, that can pay dividends.
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RonaldoMamba wrote:DeRoma wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:Don't think there's a reason to torch the guy when it actually is very possible a team maxes Russell and forces the Nets hand one way or another. You say he's not getting a max from us, who says this is actually reality? If they can sign Kyrie they'll obviously let him go, if they can't get him specifically, or don't need the money to literally sign a Kawhi, etc., not just sign one in theory, they'll probably match that max.
The hope is they can reach a quick and reasonable contract extension with DLo if that's what helps all parties, it doesn't mean Russell will oblige and in Marks case, if he's heard he's going to be able and pair Kyrie and another max guy, he'll let Russell walk.
So do you honestly believe DLO will get 4yr/150+m starting at 27m?
One thing to realize is that it only takes one team.....
Also, his buddies all got max deals.... Booker, Kat and Embiid. I highly doubt he will take some BK discount to play as a Net.
Fair estimate was 20m/year, however, if he continues to play the way he does recently, a max isn't really far fetched at all...
They're not going to max him at 5 years, it will likely be a 4 year on a match if he hits the open market, or they reach an early under max deal.

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vincecarter4pres wrote:RonaldoMamba wrote:DeRoma wrote:
So do you honestly believe DLO will get 4yr/150+m starting at 27m?
One thing to realize is that it only takes one team.....
Also, his buddies all got max deals.... Booker, Kat and Embiid. I highly doubt he will take some BK discount to play as a Net.
Fair estimate was 20m/year, however, if he continues to play the way he does recently, a max isn't really far fetched at all...
They're not going to max him at 5 years, it will likely be a 4 year on a match if he hits the open market, or they reach an early under max deal.
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If we plan on keeping Russell, we might be better off negotiating with him a deal starting at $20M for the five years we can offer with the final year a player option. He's 22 (23 probably when he hits FA). He can hit his next FA at 27 where he's in his prime.vincecarter4pres wrote:RonaldoMamba wrote:DeRoma wrote:
So do you honestly believe DLO will get 4yr/150+m starting at 27m?
One thing to realize is that it only takes one team.....
Also, his buddies all got max deals.... Booker, Kat and Embiid. I highly doubt he will take some BK discount to play as a Net.
Fair estimate was 20m/year, however, if he continues to play the way he does recently, a max isn't really far fetched at all...
They're not going to max him at 5 years, it will likely be a 4 year on a match if he hits the open market, or they reach an early under max deal.
Also, one scenario that was brought up before is the possibility of Crabbe being stretched provisioned. I believe that brings his dead money to $6M in 2019/20/21.
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SpeedyG wrote:If we plan on keeping Russell, we might be better off negotiating with him a deal starting at $20M for the five years we can offer with the final year a player option. He's 22 (23 probably when he hits FA). He can hit his next FA at 27 where he's in his prime.vincecarter4pres wrote:RonaldoMamba wrote:
One thing to realize is that it only takes one team.....
Also, his buddies all got max deals.... Booker, Kat and Embiid. I highly doubt he will take some BK discount to play as a Net.
Fair estimate was 20m/year, however, if he continues to play the way he does recently, a max isn't really far fetched at all...
They're not going to max him at 5 years, it will likely be a 4 year on a match if he hits the open market, or they reach an early under max deal.
Also, one scenario that was brought up before is the possibility of Crabbe being stretched provisioned. I believe that brings his dead money to $6M in 2019/20/21.
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Nets definitely won't give him a 5 year max, but the other teams will throw a 4 year one....
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But that's why you throw a five year offer at a starting of 20M. It's a discount, but not a massive discount (i believe we can give him 8% raise, whereas other teams can give him 5%?). If somehow he isn't playing well or he gets hurt, he'll have a 5th year option he can take. If he's playing really well and there's more money to be had, he can decline it and hit FA in his prime.RonaldoMamba wrote:SpeedyG wrote:If we plan on keeping Russell, we might be better off negotiating with him a deal starting at $20M for the five years we can offer with the final year a player option. He's 22 (23 probably when he hits FA). He can hit his next FA at 27 where he's in his prime.vincecarter4pres wrote:They're not going to max him at 5 years, it will likely be a 4 year on a match if he hits the open market, or they reach an early under max deal.
Also, one scenario that was brought up before is the possibility of Crabbe being stretched provisioned. I believe that brings his dead money to $6M in 2019/20/21.
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Nets definitely won't give him a 5 year max, but the other teams will throw a 4 year one....
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SpeedyG wrote:But that's why you throw a five year offer at a starting of 20M. It's a discount, but not a massive discount (i believe we can give him 8% raise, whereas other teams can give him 5%?). If somehow he isn't playing well or he gets hurt, he'll have a 5th year option he can take. If he's playing really well and there's more money to be had, he can decline it and hit FA in his prime.RonaldoMamba wrote:SpeedyG wrote:If we plan on keeping Russell, we might be better off negotiating with him a deal starting at $20M for the five years we can offer with the final year a player option. He's 22 (23 probably when he hits FA). He can hit his next FA at 27 where he's in his prime.
Also, one scenario that was brought up before is the possibility of Crabbe being stretched provisioned. I believe that brings his dead money to $6M in 2019/20/21.
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Nets definitely won't give him a 5 year max, but the other teams will throw a 4 year one....
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Length and PO is obviously good.... Still, I think the discount is too big. The max the Nets can offer is like 30m a year right?
Also, I don't think they will offer a 5 year deal @ 20M or greater to Dlo....
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RonaldoMamba wrote:SpeedyG wrote:But that's why you throw a five year offer at a starting of 20M. It's a discount, but not a massive discount (i believe we can give him 8% raise, whereas other teams can give him 5%?). If somehow he isn't playing well or he gets hurt, he'll have a 5th year option he can take. If he's playing really well and there's more money to be had, he can decline it and hit FA in his prime.RonaldoMamba wrote:
Nets definitely won't give him a 5 year max, but the other teams will throw a 4 year one....
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Length and PO is obviously good.... Still, I think the discount is too big. The max the Nets can offer is like 30m a year right?
Also, I don't think they will offer a 5 year deal @ 20M or greater to Dlo....
Russell, if a team offers him MAX as a RFA, can get a contract starting at $27.25M his first year (5% raise), for a total of $113.0875M over four years. That makes it a $28.27M per year contract.
If we offer Russell a 5 year deal (5th year PO) starting at $21M first year, (8% raise), then after four years he would have made $94M at that point ($18M a year). The 5th year bumps it up to a total of $123 ($24M per)
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On a side note, if Russell and Rondae are willing to play ball with us (that is wait until we can sign someone before extending them without the RFA status) and thus operating with their cap holds, even keeping Ed Davis' cap hold we are looking at
S. Dinwiddie 10.6
J. Harris 7.66
C. LeVert 2.62
J. Allen 2.37
D. Musa 1.91
R. Kurucs 1.69
Russell 21
Rondae 7.4
Davis 5.4
2 roster charges (.89 x 2)
I used the value of $2.81 for our own draft pick, and the Denver pick being stashed.
This is with Crabb stretched and his dead money lowered to $6M.
This puts us at $76.74, with a free space of $32.26...just a hair short of the target $32.7M for 1 max contract (of the Kyrie/Kemba/Kawhi status). That's very manageable. Even trading down with our own pick will do it. Or using our own pick as a stash while taking one with the Denver pick.Let's aim a taaaad lower with say Kyrie (and shuffling our roster a bit to allow both him and Russell in there).
Kyrie/Spencer
Russell/Musa
Caris/Joe
Rondae/Kurucs
Allen/Davis
Nets FRP
We convince Dudley to come back another year.
S. Dinwiddie 10.6
J. Harris 7.66
C. LeVert 2.62
J. Allen 2.37
D. Musa 1.91
R. Kurucs 1.69
Russell 21
Rondae 7.4
Davis 5.4
2 roster charges (.89 x 2)
I used the value of $2.81 for our own draft pick, and the Denver pick being stashed.
This is with Crabb stretched and his dead money lowered to $6M.
This puts us at $76.74, with a free space of $32.26...just a hair short of the target $32.7M for 1 max contract (of the Kyrie/Kemba/Kawhi status). That's very manageable. Even trading down with our own pick will do it. Or using our own pick as a stash while taking one with the Denver pick.Let's aim a taaaad lower with say Kyrie (and shuffling our roster a bit to allow both him and Russell in there).
Kyrie/Spencer
Russell/Musa
Caris/Joe
Rondae/Kurucs
Allen/Davis
Nets FRP
We convince Dudley to come back another year.
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I dont like that lineup at all....
(Also I highly doubt Kyrie is a realistic choice this summer)...
(Also I highly doubt Kyrie is a realistic choice this summer)...
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SpeedyG wrote:If we plan on keeping Russell, we might be better off negotiating with him a deal starting at $20M for the five years we can offer with the final year a player option. He's 22 (23 probably when he hits FA). He can hit his next FA at 27 where he's in his prime.vincecarter4pres wrote:RonaldoMamba wrote:
One thing to realize is that it only takes one team.....
Also, his buddies all got max deals.... Booker, Kat and Embiid. I highly doubt he will take some BK discount to play as a Net.
Fair estimate was 20m/year, however, if he continues to play the way he does recently, a max isn't really far fetched at all...
They're not going to max him at 5 years, it will likely be a 4 year on a match if he hits the open market, or they reach an early under max deal.
Also, one scenario that was brought up before is the possibility of Crabbe being stretched provisioned. I believe that brings his dead money to $6M in 2019/20/21.
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This idea to even talk about DLO getting a max is ludicrous. Just because his "friends" are paid doesn't mean he'll get paid too. That's one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard. People don't take into account that these "friends" of his were actually were VERY marketable to the public's eye and have shown legitimate glimpse of raw potential for them to receive those kinds of deals. Companies makes those type of investments because of the potential return they would get. Good example would be Facebook bought Instagram for $1b. How did they even get to that kind of ridiculous number in the first place? It's because Instagram was easy to market and has positive reputation to the general public. With DLO, not everyone believes he will be amazing like the way KAT or EVEN Wiggins were. He doesn't show raw talent like those 2 do. He doesn't even show it in the metrics side of things. Not everyone likes him the way KAT and Wiggins got. Majority of the basketball fans still thinks he is a snitch, most just believes he is meh. It's really that small cult of DLO followers that even believes he will get a max. He is too questionable to even get to max deal conversation. If a team like Phoenix offer him a max I highly doubt the Nets would even consider it when they already have Dinwiddie.
The kind of contract he will get will be a 4 year deal with a player option and ETO for his third year. He can also have a trade kicker in order for him to feel safe staying with the team. So if he truly believes he is a max player he can renegotiate with the team in 2 years when he proves himself to be a max player. As of now there is no way in hell Sean Marks believes he is worth it to destroy the chances of us of not getting a max player in here. Just because DLO cult thinks he will.
I'm not having this convo here. If you want this conversation about him getting a max go to the DLO appreciation thread. There are plenty of content for you guys to look at. LIke the Malcolm Brogdon signing.
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What is the point of speculating how our finances can work when your premise for the moves is the most cap friendly deal for our top FA?DeRoma wrote:SpeedyG wrote:If we plan on keeping Russell, we might be better off negotiating with him a deal starting at $20M for the five years we can offer with the final year a player option. He's 22 (23 probably when he hits FA). He can hit his next FA at 27 where he's in his prime.vincecarter4pres wrote:They're not going to max him at 5 years, it will likely be a 4 year on a match if he hits the open market, or they reach an early under max deal.
Also, one scenario that was brought up before is the possibility of Crabbe being stretched provisioned. I believe that brings his dead money to $6M in 2019/20/21.
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This idea to even talk about DLO getting a max is ludicrous. Just because his "friends" are paid doesn't mean he'll get paid too. That's one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard. People don't take into account that these "friends" of his were actually were VERY marketable to the public's eye and have shown legitimate glimpse of raw potential for them to receive those kinds of deals. Companies makes those type of investments because of the potential return they would get. Good example would be Facebook bought Instagram for $1b. How did they even get to that kind of ridiculous number in the first place? It's because Instagram was easy to market and has positive reputation to the general public. With DLO, not everyone believes he will be amazing like the way KAT or EVEN Wiggins were. He doesn't show raw talent like those 2 do. He doesn't even show it in the metrics side of things. Not everyone likes him the way KAT and Wiggins got. Majority of the basketball fans still thinks he is a snitch, most just believes he is meh. It's really that small cult of DLO followers that even believes he will get a max. He is too questionable to even get to max deal conversation. If a team like Phoenix offer him a max I highly doubt the Nets would even consider it when they already have Dinwiddie.
The kind of contract he will get will be a 4 year deal with a player option and ETO for his third year. He can also have a trade kicker in order for him to feel safe staying with the team. So if he truly believes he is a max player he can renegotiate with the team in 2 years when he proves himself to be a max player. As of now there is no way in hell Sean Marks believes he is worth it to destroy the chances of us of not getting a max player in here. Just because DLO cult thinks he will.
I'm not having this convo here. If you want this conversation about him getting a max go to the DLO appreciation thread. There are plenty of content for you guys to look at. LIke the Malcolm Brogdon signing.
I don't think Russell is worth a deal close to the max, but that possibility exists. And as such, you have to account for it.
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SpeedyG wrote:On a side note, if Russell and Rondae are willing to play ball with us (that is wait until we can sign someone before extending them without the RFA status) and thus operating with their cap holds, even keeping Ed Davis' cap hold we are looking at
S. Dinwiddie 10.6
J. Harris 7.66
C. LeVert 2.62
J. Allen 2.37
D. Musa 1.91
R. Kurucs 1.69
Russell 21
Rondae 7.4
Davis 5.4
2 roster charges (.89 x 2)
I used the value of $2.81 for our own draft pick, and the Denver pick being stashed.
This is with Crabb stretched and his dead money lowered to $6M.
This puts us at $76.74, with a free space of $32.26...just a hair short of the target $32.7M for 1 max contract (of the Kyrie/Kemba/Kawhi status). That's very manageable. Even trading down with our own pick will do it. Or using our own pick as a stash while taking one with the Denver pick.Let's aim a taaaad lower with say Kyrie (and shuffling our roster a bit to allow both him and Russell in there).
Kyrie/Spencer
Russell/Musa
Caris/Joe
Rondae/Kurucs
Allen/Davis
Nets FRP
We convince Dudley to come back another year.
That's really cutting it close. The cap space might be lower too since it's really unlikely we get 18th pick lol.
We can solve this though if we do stretch crabbe's contract for 2 more years. Dead money will start around 3.7
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I believe were limited to three years (1 remaining year + 2)DeRoma wrote:SpeedyG wrote:On a side note, if Russell and Rondae are willing to play ball with us (that is wait until we can sign someone before extending them without the RFA status) and thus operating with their cap holds, even keeping Ed Davis' cap hold we are looking at
S. Dinwiddie 10.6
J. Harris 7.66
C. LeVert 2.62
J. Allen 2.37
D. Musa 1.91
R. Kurucs 1.69
Russell 21
Rondae 7.4
Davis 5.4
2 roster charges (.89 x 2)
I used the value of $2.81 for our own draft pick, and the Denver pick being stashed.
This is with Crabb stretched and his dead money lowered to $6M.
This puts us at $76.74, with a free space of $32.26...just a hair short of the target $32.7M for 1 max contract (of the Kyrie/Kemba/Kawhi status). That's very manageable. Even trading down with our own pick will do it. Or using our own pick as a stash while taking one with the Denver pick.Let's aim a taaaad lower with say Kyrie (and shuffling our roster a bit to allow both him and Russell in there).
Kyrie/Spencer
Russell/Musa
Caris/Joe
Rondae/Kurucs
Allen/Davis
Nets FRP
We convince Dudley to come back another year.
That's really cutting it close. The cap space might be lower too since it's really unlikely we get 18th pick lol.
We can solve this though if we do stretch crabbe's contract for 2 more years. Dead money will start around 3.7
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