Papi_swav wrote:Prokorov wrote:Papi_swav wrote:This is where we disagree. And a lot more people disagrees with you on the T&T board as well. RHJ calling card was his defense, but Siakam defense is waaayyyy better than RHJs already. That alone makes him more valuable .
the T&T board, and RealGM in general is like 50% raptors fans. really not unbiased.
Saying Siakim's defense is WAAAY better is an enormous overstatement. Siakim also benefits from being between maybe the leagues best wing defender (Kawhi) and one of the leagues better helpside shot blockers (Ibaka). RHJ doesnt have such luxury.
In Any event... i refuse to believe a team of:
Kyle Lowry
Danny Green
OG Anonuby
Kawhi Leonard
Serge Ibaka
with a stacked bench of: Van Vleet, CJ Miles, Norman Powell, and Jonas Valacuinas wouldnt still be a 43-16 type team.
- lol dude you just love making excuses, it's not even all Raps fans that's disagreeing with you, it's fans from other teams so cut it out.
- dude, check out those analytics and stats that you love so much.
Kawhi - ORPM: 2.79 DRPM: -0.13 RPM: 2.66 WINS: 5.50
Siakam- ORPM: 1.89 (4th in PF) DRPM: 1.89 RPM: 3.78 (3rd in PF) WINS: 8.13 (3rd in PF)
Ibaka- ORPM: -0.01 DRPM: -0.37 RPM: -0.38 WINS: 2.76
So please tell me again how easily replaceable Siakam is. He is top 3 among power forwards in most those categories. Siakam is a big part of the reason why Raps are top 2 and he has better analytics then both these guys. So maybe Kawhi and Ibaka benefits from having him there as well.
-I don't believe Raps will still be a 43-16 team without Siakam. You can't just put anybody in there to replicate what he does and RHJ definitely isn't keeping them afloat to a 43-16 record. He is 15th in the entire league with 8.13 WINS.
RPM is not the same as RAPM, it can be used stand alone without other metrics. even RAPM shouldnt be used stand alone.
Siakim just isnt a difference maker. he is an excellent role player, but those are replacable. They won 60 games last year with siakim not being a major contributor. they will win 60 games again this year... not because of him, because they have a top 5 player in kawhi an all-star PG in lowry and a floor spacing shot block big in ibaka with one of the leagues best benches.
Siakim is like levert. he impacts the game, he puts up good numbers, but there are dozens of guys like him across the league you could swap with for no difference. id argue they would be better if you put joe harris or crabbe in there, guys who space the floor better