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TheNetsFan wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:How would people feel if it was Kyrie and Jimmy Butler or maybe Tobias Harris, but while retaining DLo, but needing to deal Joe Harris or possibly Dinwiddie?

I'm all for it. I'd prefer to deal Dinwiddie & retain Harris. I feel like keeping DLo & getting Kyrie & Tobias is that right balance of step forward with youth & longevity.

And because I think we’d run a HOU-like offense with Kyrie and DLo always on the ball, Dinwiddie would most likely be moved.

If he were to be traded, I hope it would be some place like PHX where he could be the starting PG. He’s been very good to us. I hope we can be good to him.

vincecarter4pres wrote:How would people feel if it was Kyrie and Jimmy Butler or maybe Tobias Harris, but while retaining DLo, but needing to deal Joe Harris or possibly Dinwiddie?

I would be fine with that option as well, but I would probably prefer to keep Harris over Spencer since Spencer deserves a chance to run his own team.

The poaching continues...Prigionni to the Wolves

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MrDollarBills wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:How would people feel if it was Kyrie and Jimmy Butler or maybe Tobias Harris, but while retaining DLo, but needing to deal Joe Harris or possibly Dinwiddie?

I would be fine with that option as well, but I would probably prefer to keep Harris over Spencer since Spencer deserves a chance to run his own team.

yeah im fine losing dinwidie but harris is the low key engine for this offense. we would miss him

SpeedyG wrote:The poaching continues...Prigionni to the Wolves

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teams want to be like us.

SpeedyG wrote:The poaching continues...Prigionni to the Wolves

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WTF

THAT IS HUGE. He was working with our guys up until this week.

Prokorov wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:How would people feel if it was Kyrie and Jimmy Butler or maybe Tobias Harris, but while retaining DLo, but needing to deal Joe Harris or possibly Dinwiddie?

I would be fine with that option as well, but I would probably prefer to keep Harris over Spencer since Spencer deserves a chance to run his own team.

yeah im fine losing dinwidie but harris is the low key engine for this offense. we would miss him

I don't disagree with either of you, but Dinwiddie is also signed for 3 years on a value contract, is injury insurance for stuff like broken fingers, high ankle sprains, knee scopes, shoulder strains, etc. and he's probably worth a lot more in trade for a few reasons including being locked up for 3 seasons. If trading one or the other to make things happen, I'm retaining Dinwiddie.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:
I would be fine with that option as well, but I would probably prefer to keep Harris over Spencer since Spencer deserves a chance to run his own team.

yeah im fine losing dinwidie but harris is the low key engine for this offense. we would miss him

I don't disagree with either of you, but Dinwiddie is also signed for 3 years on a value contract, is injury insurance for stuff like broken fingers, high ankle sprains, knee scopes, shoulder strains, etc. and he's probably worth a lot more in trade for a few reasons including being locked up for 3 seasons. If trading one or the other to make things happen, I'm retaining Dinwiddie.

He’s locked up for 2. He has a player option for year 3.

TheNetsFan wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
yeah im fine losing dinwidie but harris is the low key engine for this offense. we would miss him

I don't disagree with either of you, but Dinwiddie is also signed for 3 years on a value contract, is injury insurance for stuff like broken fingers, high ankle sprains, knee scopes, shoulder strains, etc. and he's probably worth a lot more in trade for a few reasons including being locked up for 3 seasons. If trading one or the other to make things happen, I'm retaining Dinwiddie.

He’s locked up for 2. He has a player option for year 3.

True. He's also a positive impact starting level point guard just entering his prime. He could easily be the new Lowry. Just don't be Memphis or Houston and let that slip away for a slim return if you decide to trade him.

Paradise wrote:

SpeedyG wrote:The poaching continues...Prigionni to the Wolves

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WTF

THAT IS HUGE. He was working with our guys up until this week.

Is he the 3rd or 4th coach to get plucked? Plus 2 or 3 FO/scouts. Marks is going to have his hands full just backfilling everything/

vincecarter4pres wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:
I would be fine with that option as well, but I would probably prefer to keep Harris over Spencer since Spencer deserves a chance to run his own team.

yeah im fine losing dinwidie but harris is the low key engine for this offense. we would miss him

I don't disagree with either of you, but Dinwiddie is also signed for 3 years on a value contract, is injury insurance for stuff like broken fingers, high ankle sprains, knee scopes, shoulder strains, etc. and he's probably worth a lot more in trade for a few reasons including being locked up for 3 seasons. If trading one or the other to make things happen, I'm retaining Dinwiddie.

Dinwiddie raises the floor of a team better, but Joe's game raises its ceiling better.

The Nets will (hopefully) be at a stage where the foundation will be more or less built, but they need role players/specialists who possess unique skills that can take our offense and/or defense to the next level.

Joe Harris, like a Kyle Korver or JJ Reddick, does that for your offense. He's somebody that will break your back, because you've been able to manage covering the rest of the team but you can't expend the additional energy to track Joe wherever he's going. He's a mini-offense unto himself. If you have someone like Kyrie and DLo or another (better?) star wing to cover, the presence of Harris in addition to those stars is terrifying.

Plus, Dinwiddie's contact really isn't that long. He signed 2+1, so he could be gone in free agency as early as next year. If you can get a high-ish 1st rd draft pick for him now, I think you have to pull the trigger, especially if we're going to have at least two dynamic ball handlers always on the court like 2017-18 HOU. Then there's more of a redundancy and you don't benefit from having him as much as you would benefit from having Harris on the team. I'd rather use the pick I'd get in a trade for Dinwiddie to develop a young guard than try to find another Harris.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

TheNetsFan wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:I don't disagree with either of you, but Dinwiddie is also signed for 3 years on a value contract, is injury insurance for stuff like broken fingers, high ankle sprains, knee scopes, shoulder strains, etc. and he's probably worth a lot more in trade for a few reasons including being locked up for 3 seasons. If trading one or the other to make things happen, I'm retaining Dinwiddie.

He’s locked up for 2. He has a player option for year 3.

True. He's also a positive impact starting level point guard just entering his prime. He could easily be the new Lowry. Just don't be Memphis or Houston and let that slip away for a slim return if you decide to trade him.

Strangely enough (and precisely because of the argument that you're hinting at), I think the better argument is whether the Nets should keep Dinwiddie or DLo.

Dinwiddie is much cheaper than DLo and is one of the better ISO and attacking guards in the league, which is something that Russell doesn't excel at.

You could make the argument that Dinwiddie's skillset is more valuable as a #2 or #3 option (assuming that the Nets would at least be getting Kyrie) than DLo's skillset. DLo's impact is felt the most when he has the ball in his hands. However, if the Nets had a player who they believed performed even better than DLo with the ball in his hands (e.g. Kyrie), you could ask who's a better secondary guard.

I think the plausibility of preferring Dinwiddie breaks down when you take into account that DLo could leave without the Nets getting anything in return, while Dinwiddie might get you a valuable draft pick that could be used on a player the Nets believe could develop into a nice player.

MrDollarBills wrote:

SpeedyG wrote:The poaching continues...Prigionni to the Wolves

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teams want to be like us.

Facts ! we run the league now. Everybody wants a piece of our front office and our logo smh it's hilarious where we are now to when we was the laughing stock of the league a few years ago. The takeover soon come

DLO was a lot of fun this year but ...if you can get Kyrie +, goodbye and best wishes. Don't cling to a good story when you're on the verge of a great one. Of the big cap teams with a shot at Kyrie and KD, I'm rooting for you guys. I love to see NYK and LAL drowning.

NyCeEvO wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:

Prokorov wrote:
yeah im fine losing dinwidie but harris is the low key engine for this offense. we would miss him

I don't disagree with either of you, but Dinwiddie is also signed for 3 years on a value contract, is injury insurance for stuff like broken fingers, high ankle sprains, knee scopes, shoulder strains, etc. and he's probably worth a lot more in trade for a few reasons including being locked up for 3 seasons. If trading one or the other to make things happen, I'm retaining Dinwiddie.

Dinwiddie raises the floor of a team better, but Joe's game raises its ceiling better.

The Nets will (hopefully) be at a stage where the foundation will be more or less built, but they need role players/specialists who possess unique skills that can take our offense and/or defense to the next level.

Joe Harris, like a Kyle Korver or JJ Reddick, does that for your offense. He's somebody that will break your back, because you've been able to manage covering the rest of the team but you can't expend the additional energy to track Joe wherever he's going. He's a mini-offense unto himself. If you have someone like Kyrie and DLo or another (better?) star wing to cover, the presence of Harris in addition to those stars is terrifying.

Plus, Dinwiddie's contact really isn't that long. He signed 2+1, so he could be gone in free agency as early as next year. If you can get a high-ish 1st rd draft pick for him now, I think you have to pull the trigger, especially if we're going to have at least two dynamic ball handlers always on the court like 2017-18 HOU. Then there's more of a redundancy and you don't benefit from having him as much as you would benefit from having Harris on the team. I'd rather use the pick I'd get in a trade for Dinwiddie to develop a young guard than try to find another Harris.

in addition, once we bring in kyrie we have our 3 gaurds... you essentially go from DLo/Levert/Dinwiddie to Dlo/Kyrie/levert. if harris goes, there is no harris replacement

Looks like my Timberwolves are taking all your staff

Skybox wrote:DLO was a lot of fun this year but ...if you can get Kyrie +, goodbye and best wishes. Don't cling to a good story when you're on the verge of a great one. Of the big cap teams with a shot at Kyrie and KD, I'm rooting for you guys. I love to see NYK and LAL drowning.

my hope is why get kyrie and DONT get KD so we can keep Russell. id rather kawhi, butler, or tobias to KD personally. but i can see why the team and fans would want KD since he makes us better then those guys outside kawhi

Skybox wrote:DLO was a lot of fun this year but ...if you can get Kyrie +, goodbye and best wishes. Don't cling to a good story when you're on the verge of a great one. Of the big cap teams with a shot at Kyrie and KD, I'm rooting for you guys. I love to see NYK and LAL drowning.

It sucks though because he's a really good kid that did everything asked of him and he put this team on his back last year when we got wrecked with injuries.

I really don't want him to leave, but if the possibility of Kevin Durant coming here is actually real, I can't say no to what may come next.

Prokorov wrote:

Skybox wrote:DLO was a lot of fun this year but ...if you can get Kyrie +, goodbye and best wishes. Don't cling to a good story when you're on the verge of a great one. Of the big cap teams with a shot at Kyrie and KD, I'm rooting for you guys. I love to see NYK and LAL drowning.

my hope is why get kyrie and DONT get KD so we can keep Russell. id rather kawhi, butler, or tobias to KD personally. but i can see why the team and fans would want KD since he makes us better then those guys outside kawhi

I have to admit man, you were right about Leonard. He is a god level player and it took this playoff run to really sit and appreciate how great he is.

Honestly, he's the #1 player in the sport imo. Dude is out there dominating from every angle of the court. If not for his health concerns I'd be tossing out the name Michael Jordan in comparison. He's that good.