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Post#21 » by SpeedyG » Fri May 10, 2019 12:24 pm

if we don't have a chance at the upper tier max players, I agree they keep crabbe and ride it out either letting him expire or trading his expiring later in the season.


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Post#22 » by Prokorov » Fri May 10, 2019 1:16 pm

SpeedyG wrote:if we don't have a chance at the upper tier max players, I agree they keep crabbe and ride it out either letting him expire or trading his expiring later in the season.


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we can get a 9 year or less max and keep crabbe. i think thats most likely. like tobias
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Re: 2019 Off-season Nets Salary Cap Quick Guide 

Post#23 » by DeRoma » Fri Jun 7, 2019 3:39 am

TheNetsFan wrote:Davis’s non-bird rights are worthless to us. His cap hold is the same as the max we can pay him under non-bird. He’ll cost us pure cap space unless he settles for the room MLE.



Alright so I did some numbers crunching. Since you're the G at the CBA rules. I need to ask you questions.

Right now, we are at 66,738,032. If we were to go after KD/Kyrie combo we'd need 69,960,000. So we'd be 3,221,968 short. If we trade the 27th pick and Musa for like 2 second round picks and maybe a future second rounder, we'd get rid around 2,101,600 (i'm already adding the those roster spots cap hold). So in total, we'd be 1,120,368 short of signing them at their max. Are there anyway around these roster spot cap hold once FA hits? Like say for example, we sign undrafted players into two way deals for like 50k each? Would they be able to take away those roster spot cap holds?''

Edit: I used the chart SpeedyG made and I remember if waive Graham he might have a 500k, guaranteed contract and he wasn't on that list.
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Post#24 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:09 am

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TheNetsFan wrote:Davis’s non-bird rights are worthless to us. His cap hold is the same as the max we can pay him under non-bird. He’ll cost us pure cap space unless he settles for the room MLE.



Alright so I did some numbers crunching. Since you're the G at the CBA rules. I need to ask you questions.

Right now, we are at 66,738,032. If we were to go after KD/Kyrie combo we'd need 69,960,000. So we'd be 3,221,968 short. If we trade the 27th pick and Musa for like 2 second round picks and maybe a future second rounder, we'd get rid around 2,101,600 (i'm already adding the those roster spots cap hold). So in total, we'd be 1,120,368 short of signing them at their max. Are there anyway around these roster spot cap hold once FA hits? Like say for example, we sign undrafted players into two way deals for like 50k each? Would they be able to take away those roster spot cap holds?''

Edit: I used the chart SpeedyG made and I remember if waive Graham he might have a 500k, guaranteed contract and he wasn't on that list.

1) I think that number is off. I see us over $67mil right now if we renounce everybody & waive Napier & Graham.
2) Incomplete roster charges are somewhat deceiving. Yes, they're there for each slot below 12, but they disappear when you sign a FA. Essentially, one can be used for each FA signing. So if we're at $67.5mil w/ 4 holds, then you can essentially add $890k to that space for signing Kyrie's spot & $890k for Durant's spot. They're intended to make sure you have enough space to fill the roster, but instead of using them all on minimum guys we're using 2 of max guys.
3) When guys are making $30+mil, I don't think they're going to consider it a deal breaker if they need to start a million or so lower in order to avoid completely gutting the roster. Lebron, Wade & Bosh all took slight discounts, and those contracts started at a fraction of what contracts now start at.
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Post#25 » by DeRoma » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:38 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Davis’s non-bird rights are worthless to us. His cap hold is the same as the max we can pay him under non-bird. He’ll cost us pure cap space unless he settles for the room MLE.



Alright so I did some numbers crunching. Since you're the G at the CBA rules. I need to ask you questions.

Right now, we are at 66,738,032. If we were to go after KD/Kyrie combo we'd need 69,960,000. So we'd be 3,221,968 short. If we trade the 27th pick and Musa for like 2 second round picks and maybe a future second rounder, we'd get rid around 2,101,600 (i'm already adding the those roster spots cap hold). So in total, we'd be 1,120,368 short of signing them at their max. Are there anyway around these roster spot cap hold once FA hits? Like say for example, we sign undrafted players into two way deals for like 50k each? Would they be able to take away those roster spot cap holds?''

Edit: I used the chart SpeedyG made and I remember if waive Graham he might have a 500k, guaranteed contract and he wasn't on that list.

1) I think that number is off. I see us over $67mil right now if we renounce everybody & waive Napier & Graham.
2) Incomplete roster charges are somewhat deceiving. Yes, they're there for each slot below 12, but they disappear when you sign a FA. Essentially, one can be used for each FA signing. So if we're at $67.5mil w/ 4 holds, then you can essentially add $890k to that space for signing Kyrie's spot & $890k for Durant's spot. They're intended to make sure you have enough space to fill the roster, but instead of using them all on minimum guys we're using 2 of max guys.
3) When guys are making $30+mil, I don't think they're going to consider it a deal breaker if they need to start a million or so lower in order to avoid completely gutting the roster. Lebron, Wade & Bosh all took slight discounts, and those contracts started at a fraction of what contracts now start at.

Here is how I did the math

10,605,084
07,666,667
03,481,986
02,625,718
02,376,849
01,911,600'
01,699,236

Cap Hold:
1,970,000
0,890,000
0,890,000
0,890,000
0,890,000

35,897,140

Yep... I redid the math... You're right

we would have 67,627,073
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Post#26 » by DeRoma » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:39 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Davis’s non-bird rights are worthless to us. His cap hold is the same as the max we can pay him under non-bird. He’ll cost us pure cap space unless he settles for the room MLE.



Alright so I did some numbers crunching. Since you're the G at the CBA rules. I need to ask you questions.

Right now, we are at 66,738,032. If we were to go after KD/Kyrie combo we'd need 69,960,000. So we'd be 3,221,968 short. If we trade the 27th pick and Musa for like 2 second round picks and maybe a future second rounder, we'd get rid around 2,101,600 (i'm already adding the those roster spots cap hold). So in total, we'd be 1,120,368 short of signing them at their max. Are there anyway around these roster spot cap hold once FA hits? Like say for example, we sign undrafted players into two way deals for like 50k each? Would they be able to take away those roster spot cap holds?''

Edit: I used the chart SpeedyG made and I remember if waive Graham he might have a 500k, guaranteed contract and he wasn't on that list.

1) I think that number is off. I see us over $67mil right now if we renounce everybody & waive Napier & Graham.
2) Incomplete roster charges are somewhat deceiving. Yes, they're there for each slot below 12, but they disappear when you sign a FA. Essentially, one can be used for each FA signing. So if we're at $67.5mil w/ 4 holds, then you can essentially add $890k to that space for signing Kyrie's spot & $890k for Durant's spot. They're intended to make sure you have enough space to fill the roster, but instead of using them all on minimum guys we're using 2 of max guys.
3) When guys are making $30+mil, I don't think they're going to consider it a deal breaker if they need to start a million or so lower in order to avoid completely gutting the roster. Lebron, Wade & Bosh all took slight discounts, and those contracts started at a fraction of what contracts now start at.

Here is how I did the math

10,605,084
07,666,667
03,481,986
02,625,718
02,376,849
01,911,600'
01,699,236

Cap Hold:
1,970,000
0,890,000
0,890,000
0,890,000
0,890,000
5,474,787

35,897,140

Yep... I redid the math... You're right

we would have 67,627,073

and yeah we'd just have around 100k below what they want. if we trade musa and 27(or stash a euro).
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Post#27 » by DarkXaero » Fri Jun 7, 2019 5:12 am

If you guys think that being 2-3 mill short of getting Kd and kyrie is an issue, you're seriously overthinking this. Superstars have shown that they will take slight paycuts to play together, $3 million between the two of them won't stop them.

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Post#28 » by DeRoma » Fri Jun 7, 2019 6:26 am

DarkXaero wrote:If you guys think that being 2-3 mill short of getting Kd and kyrie is an issue, you're seriously overthinking this. Superstars have shown that they will take slight paycuts to play together, $3 million between the two of them won't stop them.

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Ehh.. It's the fact that they can just sign across the bridge without the paycut.

However, it's not really necessary Marks made a very calculated move taking Prince. The more I think about it. So technically the threshold is 70.815 it's 69.960 due to the cap hold disappearing once a player is signed. Right now we have 67.620. So we either draft and stash a first rounder, trade those draft picks in 2 second round picks, or trade musa and we'd be on the clear. However, the Cap room is actually now rumored to not only 109 mill but 109.9 mill which to the point that we may not have to do anything at all.
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Post#29 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Jun 7, 2019 1:21 pm

DarkXaero wrote:If you guys think that being 2-3 mill short of getting Kd and kyrie is an issue, you're seriously overthinking this. Superstars have shown that they will take slight paycuts to play together, $3 million between the two of them won't stop them.

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I agree with this. I could see guys willing to take up to $1.5mil less than the max if it means that the Nets can sign 2 max deals & keep a guy like Harris on the roster. They can always recoup it (& then some) by signing a 1+1 if they're willing to bet on themselves staying healthy. As with anything, there's a likely a limit as to how far they'll go. Up to about $1.5mil (<=5%) is likely that limit.
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Post#30 » by SpeedyG » Fri Jun 7, 2019 7:55 pm

Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

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We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.
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Post#31 » by DeRoma » Fri Jun 7, 2019 8:16 pm

SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

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We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.

Things goes through percentages. So numbers aren't really permanent. So max would be a tiny bit higher 30%/35%, empty roster charge would also increase a bit. If the 109.9 is true. I'm not sure if this is facts but from the way understand this stuff this is how it works
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Post#32 » by SpeedyG » Fri Jun 7, 2019 8:17 pm

DeRoma wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

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We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.

Things goes through percentages. So numbers aren't really permanent. So max would be a tiny bit higher 30%/35%, empty roster charge would also increase a bit. If the 109.9 is true. I'm not sure if this is facts but from the way understand this stuff this is how it works
Yeah that's true but that's a very tiny percentage. But yeah...we are verrry close

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Post#33 » by Prokorov » Sat Jun 8, 2019 1:25 pm

SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

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We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.


We are already golden... durant and kyrie aren't going to say "nah we will find another team" because they both need to take 150k less on 30+ million contracts.
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Post#34 » by DarkXaero » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:07 pm

Prokorov wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

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We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.


We are already golden... durant and kyrie aren't going to say "nah we will find another team" because they both need to take 150k less on 30+ million contracts.
Agreed. Fans are overanalyzing this stuff, it's not something to worry about if they want to come here.
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Post#35 » by MGrand15 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:11 pm

SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

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We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.


That team would be so good. We'd need some solid veteran minimum guys to fill out the bench but damn.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie
LeVert/Harris/Musa
Durant/Prince
Kurucs/Prince
Allen/

Lots of talent there.
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Post#36 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:56 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

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We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.


That team would be so good. We'd need some solid veteran minimum guys to fill out the bench but damn.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie
LeVert/Harris/Musa
Durant/Prince
Kurucs/Prince
Allen/

Lots of talent there.

Plus we'd still have the Room Exception and iirc the BAE.
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Post#37 » by Prokorov » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:17 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

Image

We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.


That team would be so good. We'd need some solid veteran minimum guys to fill out the bench but damn.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie
LeVert/Harris/Musa
Durant/Prince
Kurucs/Prince
Allen/

Lots of talent there.


Dudley i can see coming back on the minimum. Kyle O'quinn was a guy they had interest in last year who is a UFA> Wayne Ellington would be a nice crabbe replacement/Harris injury insurance. Tyson chandler would be awesome to mentor/backup allen. Rudy gay is in the ring chance stage of his career. we probably draft a backup center like rumored too

Kyrie | Dinwiddie
Harris | Ellington | Musa
Durant | Levert | Gay
Prince | Kurucs
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Post#38 » by Aussienet3 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:43 am

I would prefer to keep D'Lo sign DMC and shoot for the moon on KD. DMC is a very good plan B. For the 235th time just NO to Kyrie!!!!
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Post#39 » by Prokorov » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:01 pm

Aussienet3 wrote:I would prefer to keep D'Lo sign DMC and shoot for the moon on KD. DMC is a very good plan B. For the 235th time just NO to Kyrie!!!!


We have Jarrett Allen, no need for cousins...

Marks already made the brilliant move or turning a high priced scoring big (lopez) into a cost controlled modern day center (allen) and reallocated that max money to the gaurd/wing spot where it should be.
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Post#40 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:59 am

Prokorov wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:Sorry for the delay, but updated it finally after the Crabbe trade. As suspected, we are very very close if we stash the 27th pick.

Image

We are 361K short if we stash the 27th pick. That's all. If the rumors are true that there's a possibility the cap is going to be actually 109,900,000?

We are golden.


That team would be so good. We'd need some solid veteran minimum guys to fill out the bench but damn.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie
LeVert/Harris/Musa
Durant/Prince
Kurucs/Prince
Allen/

Lots of talent there.


Dudley i can see coming back on the minimum. Kyle O'quinn was a guy they had interest in last year who is a UFA> Wayne Ellington would be a nice crabbe replacement/Harris injury insurance. Tyson chandler would be awesome to mentor/backup allen. Rudy gay is in the ring chance stage of his career. we probably draft a backup center like rumored too

Kyrie | Dinwiddie
Harris | Ellington | Musa
Durant | Levert | Gay
Prince | Kurucs
Allen | Chandler | Rookie

I think the inclusion of the incomplete roster charges are incorrect. One, probably two of them should fall off.

1) As soon as the first non-Nets FA is signed (Irving) you have one less incomplete roster spot, so when signing the 2nd FA, you would need to account for one less.

2) My understanding is that the money held my a incomplete roster slot can be used towards signing a player. The intent is that it would get you right at the cap when you sign your 12th player. Thus only $890k under the cap after you sign #11, $1.78mil after signing #10, etc.

If I'm correct on #2, after signing Irving & waiving Napier & Graham we'd be at 10 players. FA #2 would be able to entitled to about $16.6mil. If we trade just Dinwiddie for a future asset, we'd be able to offer a guy like Harris a deal starting around $26.26mil. If we could get Tobias starting for a deal around that (or if Irving will take $32mil, so Tobias can get a round $27mil) that would be ideal.

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