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LeVert & Prince Extensions: Now, Later or Never?

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EXTEND CARIS NOW (5yrs, $120mil)
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EXTEND CARIS LATER (5yrs, $90-180mil)
8
17%
TRADE / QO / S&T CARIS
5
11%
EXTEND TAUREAN NOW (5yrs, $80mil)
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7%
EXTEND TAUREAN LATER (5yrs, $60-120mil)
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Re: LeVert & Prince Extensions: Now, Later or Never? 

Post#81 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:58 am

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Yeah that's the big concern is that the Nets have put together a roster withou really any defenders... i dont quite get the strategy honestly. i know they want to run and score and all but durant had already turned into a marginal defender before the achilles... kyrie and prince are two of the weakest defenders in the league at their position...who knows if dinwiddie will ever become a passable defender again (i think he still might)... Deande jordan did show some real signs of life on that end last year.

I just dont agree with building around all these one dimensional guys like RHJ is a good defender but his offense is so bad he's rendered virtually unplayable.... i like two way guys.... one way guys can get you in the playoffs but they get played off the floor when it matters....

But i get it... .they've built a team that will generate revenue.... i just thought they were doing a pretty good job rebuilding the franchise from an impossible position and then they shoved all their chips in on a team that doesnt seem to be really much better than what they had already assembled... and has a lot of injury downside...and an unbelievably combustible roster by adding threee of the moodiest players in the league via free agency..


with regard to prince though.... atlanta is as good as anyone at molding 3&D players.... prince flopped badly there. i dont think the nets have much to work with... i think the nets have a solid developmental program... but this signing reminds me of when they got okafor... even the best artist in the world needs paint to work with...a canvas...a brush.... Prince doesnt have any tools and he's not young... he does remind me a bit of Dion Waiters..... a guy everyone had given up on completely... who seemed like could become a passable rotation player if someone ever got in his ear.... maybe brooklyn will be his wake up call... he's an interesting project to be sure... i dont blame them for taking a cheap flyer... id prob rather have him than a rookie given BKN is trying to "win now"

It just has the feeling of a team that was ascending and now fervently made a move because they thought they had to "do something" and now they're locked into a 2nd round squad with an aging roster while two super heavyweights (PHIlly and Mil) are just entering their prime in theiwr own conference...


lol at "shoved all their chips in"

we gave up nxt to nothing and even added a first from GS

we return 4 starters and 7 rotation players while adding stars for just cap

we still have all our chips.



Well thats true. And i guess DAR's extension kinda put you on the clock to have to do something one way or the other. Thats what is so tough about rebuilding without a full stable of picks. Eventuallly you have to make tough decisions one way or another. I dont know im not a kyrie fan at all but looking at it objectively he did have a bounceback season last year and he's only going to turn 28 towards the end of next season. it will take some getting adjusted to playing out without all the shooting around him in boston this year though.

With durant i dont think any of us really know what's left in the tank... His FTA dropped precipitously a few years ago after the foot injuries and he really switched to being a pull up specialist... then last year his 3pt shot kinda abandoned him.. his defense has really slipped the last few years in GSW... this is all nitpicking as he was still a borderline top 10 player in the league last year...but with an achilles injury is he still top ~25? I tend to doubt it... we've never seen anyone return from an achilles injury and play well... granted most guys were older than him... but from Isaiah Thomas, Kobe bryant, demarcus cousins, chauncey billups, and wes matthews no one in the history of he league has ever played well... its a risky proposition for sure.. if i had to guess he remakes himself as a "Stretch 4" instead of a "Playmaking 4" and is more of a Harrison Barnes type stand in the corner and space the floor guy than a put the ball on the floor, central hub type... and honestly thats still beneficial with a guy like kyrie who can iso and run the offense. with durant id be really worried about his commitment on the defensive end post injury. He developed some really bad habits in GSW those last few years when they were winning easy.


what defensive metrics are you using to call out Durant's defense?

I don't know what will happen. All I know is that if you can get a talent like Durant on your team, even following an achilles, you do it and don't think twice about it. His doctor is also the Nets staff physician and they had all of his medicals well in advance. This is a calculated risk.

the fact that you're saying he was a "borderline" top 10 player last year is highly revisionist. Look at his numbers and tell me how many players were better than him last season. The list is small.
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Re: LeVert & Prince Extensions: Now, Later or Never? 

Post#82 » by BigRedDog » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:18 am

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BigRedDog wrote:i agreewith prokorov he's being logical instead of reactionary... i dont think you can extend LeVert this early unless he takes a super team friendly deal. Guy is one of the most injury prone players in the league... far too much risk for barely any reward..you basically john wall yourself for a guy who will be restricted anyway... it doesnt make much sense and you dont even know if he fits well with Kyrie/Durant (i tend to doubt it). either way there is plenty of tiume to make a decision and a lot more downside than upside to making a quick decision

And Prince for all intents and purposes is a bust. He's closer to being out of the league than getting a multiyear deal...0% chance you extend him before you find out if he's going to make it as an NBA player or not.. the guy was consistently one of the worst players on a 20 win team... not someone you want to lock yourself into... his defensive metrics have been just plain abhorrent his entire career... i know the Nets love reclamation projects but this kid is already 25 and had plenty of time/opportunity in Atlanta to display any talent. He prob belongs overseas


The same Taurean Prince that has been knocking down 39% of his three point attempts on decent volume over the last two years? He will thrive in Kenny Atkinson's system.

We've heard people for the last 3 years talk down on every player that has come through here and more times than not the Nets coaching staff/training team gets the best out of these guys. If Sean Marks sees something in Taurean Prince, it was worth it to get him in here.



im a fan of both atkinson and marks... i think the dinwiddie acquisition was the best move in the entire NBA last year (not sure what happened to him last year, im guessing he never recovered from injury) and Joe harris was one of the best examples of taking on a player and figuring out how to utilize him correctly... Run DMC was another good example. And i applaud the way they take on reclamation projects like Prince, okafor, etc and arent afaid to cut bait quickly if it doesnt work out... Prince in theory is a good fit in this offense... objectively i was kinda high on Prince coming out of Semi-Pro ball at Baylor... even though analytically he graded out as a terrible prospect.... this is one where i am willing to admit i was wrong... i dont think the guy has it in him to play in the NBA. he's had plenty of time and the Hawks for all their faults are not the Suns or something where projects go to die and doves cry... i happen to watch quite a LOT of hawks basketball over the years... this guy other than like one 6 week hot streak a few years ago never showed any progress on the court
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Re: LeVert & Prince Extensions: Now, Later or Never? 

Post#83 » by BigRedDog » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:24 am

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BigRedDog wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
lol at "shoved all their chips in"

we gave up nxt to nothing and even added a first from GS

we return 4 starters and 7 rotation players while adding stars for just cap

we still have all our chips.



Well thats true. And i guess DAR's extension kinda put you on the clock to have to do something one way or the other. Thats what is so tough about rebuilding without a full stable of picks. Eventuallly you have to make tough decisions one way or another. I dont know im not a kyrie fan at all but looking at it objectively he did have a bounceback season last year and he's only going to turn 28 towards the end of next season. it will take some getting adjusted to playing out without all the shooting around him in boston this year though.

With durant i dont think any of us really know what's left in the tank... His FTA dropped precipitously a few years ago after the foot injuries and he really switched to being a pull up specialist... then last year his 3pt shot kinda abandoned him.. his defense has really slipped the last few years in GSW... this is all nitpicking as he was still a borderline top 10 player in the league last year...but with an achilles injury is he still top ~25? I tend to doubt it... we've never seen anyone return from an achilles injury and play well... granted most guys were older than him... but from Isaiah Thomas, Kobe bryant, demarcus cousins, chauncey billups, and wes matthews no one in the history of he league has ever played well... its a risky proposition for sure.. if i had to guess he remakes himself as a "Stretch 4" instead of a "Playmaking 4" and is more of a Harrison Barnes type stand in the corner and space the floor guy than a put the ball on the floor, central hub type... and honestly thats still beneficial with a guy like kyrie who can iso and run the offense. with durant id be really worried about his commitment on the defensive end post injury. He developed some really bad habits in GSW those last few years when they were winning easy.


what defensive metrics are you using to call out Durant's defense?

I don't know what will happen. All I know is that if you can get a talent like Durant on your team, even following an achilles, you do it and don't think twice about it. His doctor is also the Nets staff physician and they had all of his medicals well in advance. This is a calculated risk.

the fact that you're saying he was a "borderline" top 10 player last year is highly revisionist. Look at his numbers and tell me how many players were better than him last season. The list is small.




Revisionist?

I'd take quite a few guys over Durant last year.... Curry, Lillard, George, Butler, Embiid, Kawhi, Giannis, Davis, Harden, jokic are ten without really stretching it... id take pre injury Lebron also... after that he's right there for sure as he bounced back last year.... the season prior i dont think he was anywhere near the top 10 though...

Again i dont blame anyone for taking a shot on Durant... if i had to guess i'd lean towards him being a different player though.. still effective but no longer a max player and POSSIBLY not an all-star level talent... but that is moreso due to the vast amount of talent in the league right now rather than any big swipe at Durant... the guy is old and has a pretty extensive collection of lower body injurys. This one being the absolute worst.

I have a sore achilles. It's been sore for months. Its hard to walk man. Its not even torn. This is one of the few things in the body that doesnt seem to really heal.


I dont know the bottom line about most title contenders is they have the chameleon like ability to shift from series to series to play matchups.... in order to do that you need 2 way players who are versatile... BKN has put together a roster comprised solely of one way players and i think that will hurt big time regardless of who they draw in the playoffs. They need to mesh this roster together better before i can label them a contender.
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Re: LeVert & Prince Extensions: Now, Later or Never? 

Post#84 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:59 pm

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Well thats true. And i guess DAR's extension kinda put you on the clock to have to do something one way or the other. Thats what is so tough about rebuilding without a full stable of picks. Eventuallly you have to make tough decisions one way or another. I dont know im not a kyrie fan at all but looking at it objectively he did have a bounceback season last year and he's only going to turn 28 towards the end of next season. it will take some getting adjusted to playing out without all the shooting around him in boston this year though.

With durant i dont think any of us really know what's left in the tank... His FTA dropped precipitously a few years ago after the foot injuries and he really switched to being a pull up specialist... then last year his 3pt shot kinda abandoned him.. his defense has really slipped the last few years in GSW... this is all nitpicking as he was still a borderline top 10 player in the league last year...but with an achilles injury is he still top ~25? I tend to doubt it... we've never seen anyone return from an achilles injury and play well... granted most guys were older than him... but from Isaiah Thomas, Kobe bryant, demarcus cousins, chauncey billups, and wes matthews no one in the history of he league has ever played well... its a risky proposition for sure.. if i had to guess he remakes himself as a "Stretch 4" instead of a "Playmaking 4" and is more of a Harrison Barnes type stand in the corner and space the floor guy than a put the ball on the floor, central hub type... and honestly thats still beneficial with a guy like kyrie who can iso and run the offense. with durant id be really worried about his commitment on the defensive end post injury. He developed some really bad habits in GSW those last few years when they were winning easy.


what defensive metrics are you using to call out Durant's defense?

I don't know what will happen. All I know is that if you can get a talent like Durant on your team, even following an achilles, you do it and don't think twice about it. His doctor is also the Nets staff physician and they had all of his medicals well in advance. This is a calculated risk.

the fact that you're saying he was a "borderline" top 10 player last year is highly revisionist. Look at his numbers and tell me how many players were better than him last season. The list is small.




Revisionist?

I'd take quite a few guys over Durant last year.... Curry, Lillard, George, Butler, Embiid, Kawhi, Giannis, Davis, Harden, jokic are ten without really stretching it... id take pre injury Lebron also... after that he's right there for sure as he bounced back last year.... the season prior i dont think he was anywhere near the top 10 though...

Again i dont blame anyone for taking a shot on Durant... if i had to guess i'd lean towards him being a different player though.. still effective but no longer a max player and POSSIBLY not an all-star level talent... but that is moreso due to the vast amount of talent in the league right now rather than any big swipe at Durant... the guy is old and has a pretty extensive collection of lower body injurys. This one being the absolute worst.

I have a sore achilles. It's been sore for months. Its hard to walk man. Its not even torn. This is one of the few things in the body that doesnt seem to really heal.


I dont know the bottom line about most title contenders is they have the chameleon like ability to shift from series to series to play matchups.... in order to do that you need 2 way players who are versatile... BKN has put together a roster comprised solely of one way players and i think that will hurt big time regardless of who they draw in the playoffs. They need to mesh this roster together better before i can label them a contender.



0 credibility the second you saidh George over Durant.
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Re: LeVert & Prince Extensions: Now, Later or Never? 

Post#85 » by BigRedDog » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:37 pm

Prokorov wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
what defensive metrics are you using to call out Durant's defense?

I don't know what will happen. All I know is that if you can get a talent like Durant on your team, even following an achilles, you do it and don't think twice about it. His doctor is also the Nets staff physician and they had all of his medicals well in advance. This is a calculated risk.

the fact that you're saying he was a "borderline" top 10 player last year is highly revisionist. Look at his numbers and tell me how many players were better than him last season. The list is small.




Revisionist?

I'd take quite a few guys over Durant last year.... Curry, Lillard, George, Butler, Embiid, Kawhi, Giannis, Davis, Harden, jokic are ten without really stretching it... id take pre injury Lebron also... after that he's right there for sure as he bounced back last year.... the season prior i dont think he was anywhere near the top 10 though...

Again i dont blame anyone for taking a shot on Durant... if i had to guess i'd lean towards him being a different player though.. still effective but no longer a max player and POSSIBLY not an all-star level talent... but that is moreso due to the vast amount of talent in the league right now rather than any big swipe at Durant... the guy is old and has a pretty extensive collection of lower body injurys. This one being the absolute worst.

I have a sore achilles. It's been sore for months. Its hard to walk man. Its not even torn. This is one of the few things in the body that doesnt seem to really heal.


I dont know the bottom line about most title contenders is they have the chameleon like ability to shift from series to series to play matchups.... in order to do that you need 2 way players who are versatile... BKN has put together a roster comprised solely of one way players and i think that will hurt big time regardless of who they draw in the playoffs. They need to mesh this roster together better before i can label them a contender.



0 credibility the second you saidh George over Durant.
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What? George was arguably the MVP of the league last year. of all the players to take umbrage with, you picked George???
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Post#86 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:59 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
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Revisionist?

I'd take quite a few guys over Durant last year.... Curry, Lillard, George, Butler, Embiid, Kawhi, Giannis, Davis, Harden, jokic are ten without really stretching it... id take pre injury Lebron also... after that he's right there for sure as he bounced back last year.... the season prior i dont think he was anywhere near the top 10 though...

Again i dont blame anyone for taking a shot on Durant... if i had to guess i'd lean towards him being a different player though.. still effective but no longer a max player and POSSIBLY not an all-star level talent... but that is moreso due to the vast amount of talent in the league right now rather than any big swipe at Durant... the guy is old and has a pretty extensive collection of lower body injurys. This one being the absolute worst.

I have a sore achilles. It's been sore for months. Its hard to walk man. Its not even torn. This is one of the few things in the body that doesnt seem to really heal.


I dont know the bottom line about most title contenders is they have the chameleon like ability to shift from series to series to play matchups.... in order to do that you need 2 way players who are versatile... BKN has put together a roster comprised solely of one way players and i think that will hurt big time regardless of who they draw in the playoffs. They need to mesh this roster together better before i can label them a contender.


PG is empty stats overrated trash.


0 credibility the second you saidh George over Durant.
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What? George was arguably the MVP of the league last year. of all the players to take umbrage with, you picked George???
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Post#87 » by ecuhus1981 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:52 pm

Guys who had better 18-19 seasons than Durant: Giannis. Harden.

Beyond that, you have a large clump of guys. I have Durant 3rd, James 4th, Kawhi 5th, Curry 6th, Jokic 7th, Embiid 8th, George 9th and Lillard 10th. Davis and Butler would be in the low teens. I would have said the same before KD signed for Brooklyn. As much as Kawhi's playoff exploits increased his legacy, folks forget that Kevin was having an all-time, monolithic postseason. 32/5/5/1/1 on 51%FG, 44%3PT and 90%FT.

To your PG13 point: it's true that George was an MVP finalist, but more because it was an outlier season than anything else if we're being honest. He didn't lift the Thunder into juggernaut status or anything, just a season where all his potential came to fruition. Good for him, if he does this for 2 more seasons he's a true superstar. Until then, he's just an All-NBA guy, not quite the next tier.
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Post#89 » by GTR11 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:35 pm

Prohorov why you so hard on PG? I mean he is definitely top 10-15 player in the world. Looking at film and putting numbers I'd say he's a little underrated.
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Post#90 » by GTR11 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:43 pm

I did a little homework on Prince and Chandler and came to conclusion that Kurucs should start and get more min than those two. I mean their game will need to be adjusted to our system ( yeah I know Prince had a good season with Kenny as development coach ) and their durability is questionable if you look at it. Not sure how many min both can provide throughout the season. I'm wondering now if Marks should look up for stretch 4 who can play 5 as well, don't think Claxton will get much pt unless he'll surprise us like Rodi.
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Post#91 » by Prokorov » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:46 pm

GTR11 wrote:I did a little homework on Prince and Chandler and came to conclusion that Kurucs should start and get more min than those two. I mean their game will need to be adjusted to our system ( yeah I know Prince had a good season with Kenny as development coach ) and their durability is questionable if you look at it. Not sure how many min both can provide throughout the season. I'm wondering now if Marks should look up for stretch 4 who can play 5 as well, don't think Claxton will get much pt unless he'll surprise us like Rodi.


Claxton is a kurucs clone with more defense (less offense). he will get burn for sure.

Chandler is a corpse, not an NBA player. he makes dudley look like a player in his prime. he is more a coach then a player.

Prince should see a DMC like role.

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Prokorov wrote:
GTR11 wrote:I did a little homework on Prince and Chandler and came to conclusion that Kurucs should start and get more min than those two. I mean their game will need to be adjusted to our system ( yeah I know Prince had a good season with Kenny as development coach ) and their durability is questionable if you look at it. Not sure how many min both can provide throughout the season. I'm wondering now if Marks should look up for stretch 4 who can play 5 as well, don't think Claxton will get much pt unless he'll surprise us like Rodi.


Claxton is a kurucs clone with more defense (less offense). he will get burn for sure.

Chandler is a corpse, not an NBA player. he makes dudley look like a player in his prime. he is more a coach then a player.

Prince should see a DMC like role.

Rodi will start


Claxton is a center.

Clearly, the Nets liked what they saw when Claxton was unleashed to utilizing all his skills. He falls into a profile similar to Brooklyn’s Jarrett Allen, what Nets coach Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.
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Post#93 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:51 am

kamaze wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
GTR11 wrote:I did a little homework on Prince and Chandler and came to conclusion that Kurucs should start and get more min than those two. I mean their game will need to be adjusted to our system ( yeah I know Prince had a good season with Kenny as development coach ) and their durability is questionable if you look at it. Not sure how many min both can provide throughout the season. I'm wondering now if Marks should look up for stretch 4 who can play 5 as well, don't think Claxton will get much pt unless he'll surprise us like Rodi.


Claxton is a kurucs clone with more defense (less offense). he will get burn for sure.

Chandler is a corpse, not an NBA player. he makes dudley look like a player in his prime. he is more a coach then a player.

Prince should see a DMC like role.

Rodi will start


Claxton is a center.

Clearly, the Nets liked what they saw when Claxton was unleashed to utilizing all his skills. He falls into a profile similar to Brooklyn’s Jarrett Allen, what Nets coach Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.


he is a wing/forward with us. he is nothing like allen. he isnt a screen and roll player or a rim runner. he handles the ball wall and is an end to end player. he is closer to trevor booker. a guy who will get a rebound and go coast to coast. unlike allen he is already a volume three point shooter.

they drafted him because of how well kurucs worked out and how similar the 2 are

there are no similarities between claxton and allen as a player. its a lazy analysis in that quote. that person has clearly not seen much of claxton
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Re: LeVert & Prince Extensions: Now, Later or Never? 

Post#94 » by GTR11 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:16 am

kamaze wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
GTR11 wrote:I did a little homework on Prince and Chandler and came to conclusion that Kurucs should start and get more min than those two. I mean their game will need to be adjusted to our system ( yeah I know Prince had a good season with Kenny as development coach ) and their durability is questionable if you look at it. Not sure how many min both can provide throughout the season. I'm wondering now if Marks should look up for stretch 4 who can play 5 as well, don't think Claxton will get much pt unless he'll surprise us like Rodi.


Claxton is a kurucs clone with more defense (less offense). he will get burn for sure.

Chandler is a corpse, not an NBA player. he makes dudley look like a player in his prime. he is more a coach then a player.

Prince should see a DMC like role.

Rodi will start


Claxton is a center.

Clearly, the Nets liked what they saw when Claxton was unleashed to utilizing all his skills. He falls into a profile similar to Brooklyn’s Jarrett Allen, what Nets coach Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.


He's mobile enough to play 4 but his inability to shoot ( is he scared? It don't look bad ) definitely an issue with our system. He can be great addition because he can put it on the floor and got flaoter with hook shot, I'll mention it again athletically good to play 4. I'm still not sure he will see any playing time come regular season. I guess our FO/coaching confident enough with players we already got.
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Post#95 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:21 am

GTR11 wrote:
kamaze wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Claxton is a kurucs clone with more defense (less offense). he will get burn for sure.

Chandler is a corpse, not an NBA player. he makes dudley look like a player in his prime. he is more a coach then a player.

Prince should see a DMC like role.

Rodi will start


Claxton is a center.

Clearly, the Nets liked what they saw when Claxton was unleashed to utilizing all his skills. He falls into a profile similar to Brooklyn’s Jarrett Allen, what Nets coach Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.


He's mobile enough to play 4 but his inability to shoot ( is he scared? It don't look bad ) definitely an issue with our system. He can be great addition because he can put it on the floor and got flaoter with hook shot, I'll mention it again athletically good to play 4. I'm still not sure he will see any playing time come regular season. I guess our FO/coaching confident enough with players we already got.


he is no worse a shooter then kurucs was coming in last year
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Claxton is a center.



He's mobile enough to play 4 but his inability to shoot ( is he scared? It don't look bad ) definitely an issue with our system. He can be great addition because he can put it on the floor and got flaoter with hook shot, I'll mention it again athletically good to play 4. I'm still not sure he will see any playing time come regular season. I guess our FO/coaching confident enough with players we already got.


he is no worse a shooter then kurucs was coming in last year


I agree that he's a PF in our system but he shot 28% from 3 in college last year. we'll need to see some consistency in that area.
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He's mobile enough to play 4 but his inability to shoot ( is he scared? It don't look bad ) definitely an issue with our system. He can be great addition because he can put it on the floor and got flaoter with hook shot, I'll mention it again athletically good to play 4. I'm still not sure he will see any playing time come regular season. I guess our FO/coaching confident enough with players we already got.


he is no worse a shooter then kurucs was coming in last year


I agree that he's a PF in our system but he shot 28% from 3 in college last year. we'll need to see some consistency in that area.


im sure they will have him working on it. Kurucs shot 31% last year himself. they both have good form. Kenny and his staff will get them both t 33% or better
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Post#98 » by kamaze » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:18 pm

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Claxton is a kurucs clone with more defense (less offense). he will get burn for sure.

Chandler is a corpse, not an NBA player. he makes dudley look like a player in his prime. he is more a coach then a player.

Prince should see a DMC like role.

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Claxton is a center.

Clearly, the Nets liked what they saw when Claxton was unleashed to utilizing all his skills. He falls into a profile similar to Brooklyn’s Jarrett Allen, what Nets coach Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.


he is a wing/forward with us. he is nothing like allen. he isnt a screen and roll player or a rim runner. he handles the ball wall and is an end to end player. he is closer to trevor booker. a guy who will get a rebound and go coast to coast. unlike allen he is already a volume three point shooter.

they drafted him because of how well kurucs worked out and how similar the 2 are

there are no similarities between claxton and allen as a player. its a lazy analysis in that quote. that person has clearly not seen much of claxton


Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.


So Claxton isn't 6'11? He's not athletic like Allen? He's not a shot blocker? He shot 3's better than Allen did in college and the center taking 3's is part of the offense...This is just you being stubborn for no reason.
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Post#99 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:13 pm

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Claxton is a center.



he is a wing/forward with us. he is nothing like allen. he isnt a screen and roll player or a rim runner. he handles the ball wall and is an end to end player. he is closer to trevor booker. a guy who will get a rebound and go coast to coast. unlike allen he is already a volume three point shooter.

they drafted him because of how well kurucs worked out and how similar the 2 are

there are no similarities between claxton and allen as a player. its a lazy analysis in that quote. that person has clearly not seen much of claxton


Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.


So Claxton isn't 6'11? He's not athletic like Allen? He's not a shot blocker? He shot 3's better than Allen did in college and the center taking 3's is part of the offense...This is just you being stubborn for no reason.


Claxton's skillset is totally different from Allen's. I'd say that Claxton is more skilled and has better body control than Allen does. He is also 6'11 with some very fluid ball handling.
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Post#100 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:52 pm

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Claxton is a center.



he is a wing/forward with us. he is nothing like allen. he isnt a screen and roll player or a rim runner. he handles the ball wall and is an end to end player. he is closer to trevor booker. a guy who will get a rebound and go coast to coast. unlike allen he is already a volume three point shooter.

they drafted him because of how well kurucs worked out and how similar the 2 are

there are no similarities between claxton and allen as a player. its a lazy analysis in that quote. that person has clearly not seen much of claxton


Kenny Atkinson likes to describe as the modern NBA center — long, athletic, ready to defend the rim on defense, operate on the perimeter and roll to the basket on offense.


So Claxton isn't 6'11? He's not athletic like Allen? He's not a shot blocker? He shot 3's better than Allen did in college and the center taking 3's is part of the offense...This is just you being stubborn for no reason.


dwayne wade was a shot blocker. would you compare him to allen?
Dirk was 6'11" would you compare him to allen

-when have you ever seen Jarrett allen bring the ball up court and initiate the pick and roll as the ball handler?
-When have you seen allen grab a rebound, cross a guy up at mid court, and finish coast to coast?
-when have you ever seen Allen drive to his off hand then take a step-back 18 foot shot?
-when have you ever seen allen take a top of the k ey or wing three off the dribble?
-when have you ever seen allen catch at 18+ feet out and beat his man off the dribble drive for a lay-in dunk?

these are not things allen does but things that Claxton did on the regular at UG. MAybe they play Claxton at center when they want to go 5-out like the rockets, but he is certainly alot more similar to trevor booker and kurucs then he is to allen or jordan
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