***Nets 19-20 Season Stats/Metrics/Analytics/Tape Thread***

[MrDollarBills]

This thread will be used specifically for discussion about the team's performance from a statistical and analytical level but also with the use of tape if anyone wants to do so to have fair, honest, and accurate discussions about how the Nets are doing throughout this season.

No hot takes are allowed. Please back up your assertions with facts via numbers or actual footage. I think this should be an open discussion that involves both quantifiable metrics and the eyeball test, and I hope every poster on this site is down for the discussion because we're seeing some really awesome stuff from our team and some really ugly stuff as well that needs to be discussed accurately.

Mods, please assist with this if possible.

So, I'll start out by laying things out here on November 5th 2019. Here's where we are as a team:

Off Rtg: 110.1 (7th of 30)

Def Rtg: 109.4 (20th of 30)

Pace: 106.7 (4th of 30)

PTS/G: 121.0 (2nd of 30)

Opp PTS/G: 120.3 (27th of 30)

So offensively, teams really can't stop us. However, our defense is terrible and the most glaring areas:

-we average 20 turnovers per game. we are the 2nd worst ball handling club in the league.

-we're hitting FTAs at a 70% clip. We are ranked 27th overall in that area. Why is that frustrating?

Because we are the 3rd best team at getting to the line!!! We should be blowing teams out. Free throws and turnovers are killing us.

If we clean up these areas, we should not have any issues regarding regular season basketball.

Also, we are the 2nd best rebounding club in the league because we gang rebound. Allen, Jordan, Irving, Prince, and LeVert have been cleaning the glass.

I think we're better than our record is, but that means very little. we need to execute better when we get leads on opponents and our defensive philosophy could use some tweaking.

we should probably break down individual stuff next, but it's safe to say that Kyrie Irving is on an MVP level pace right now and with Caris LeVert clocking in with 20ppg 5rpg 4apg on 45/38/64(FTAs need to be cleaned up) we have a top 3-5 backcourt in the league with these two. Lets get your thoughts however

[FrenchNBAFan]

Kurucs with the second worst PER in the league: 0,26

wow...

[MrDollarBills]

Kurucs with the second worst PER in the league: 0,26

wow...

It matches the eyeball test. He has hesitated on multiple open threes and often dribbles himself into trouble. I've found that most of his minutes thus far have been unproductive. i would like to see Musa or Claxton get some time.

It's early, but he's been bad.

[3pt_chucker]

Happy this thread was created. Will be posting stats here as the season progresses.

[Prokorov]

Kurucs with the second worst PER in the league: 0,26

wow...

It matches the eyeball test. He has hesitated on multiple open threes and often dribbles himself into trouble. I've found that most of his minutes thus far have been unproductive. i would like to see Musa or Claxton get some time.

It's early, but he's been bad.

you know who id like to see get time? Kurucs...

yea he has been really awful, but he has barely played and lets not forget he is like a 20 year old year 2 player. We know he is better then what we have seen

[Paradise]

Kurucs with the second worst PER in the league: 0,26

wow...

It matches the eyeball test. He has hesitated on multiple open threes and often dribbles himself into trouble. I've found that most of his minutes thus far have been unproductive. i would like to see Musa or Claxton get some time.

It's early, but he's been bad.

you know who id like to see get time? Kurucs...

yea he has been really awful, but he has barely played and lets not forget he is like a 20 year old year 2 player. We know he is better then what we have seen

It’s also because he’s afraid to shoot. He looks like a completely different player to the guy who played twice in China.

Watch on YouTube

[MrDollarBills]

Not calling for him to be benched but he does have to get it going

[Prokorov]

It matches the eyeball test. He has hesitated on multiple open threes and often dribbles himself into trouble. I've found that most of his minutes thus far have been unproductive. i would like to see Musa or Claxton get some time.

It's early, but he's been bad.

you know who id like to see get time? Kurucs...

yea he has been really awful, but he has barely played and lets not forget he is like a 20 year old year 2 player. We know he is better then what we have seen

It’s also because he’s afraid to shoot. He looks like a completely different player to the guy who played twice in China.

Watch on YouTube

i thought the same, the shots he was letting fly in preseason were fakes and drives into traffic in the regular season

i think he just need consistent minutes. He is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

[MGrand15]

I feel like a lot of people are still ignoring the China effect to start the year. Some of our guys look a step or 2 slow to start the year. We missed a lot of practice time too. Hope these 3 days off gets us back on track. Some stuff to watch out for as the year goes on:

Caris LeVert - 48.5% at the rim (0 to 3 feet)
14% points lower than his career average. Dreadful number. He's missed a lot of easy open layups to start the year. I think this is easily correctable by just making the bunnies but he also has to do a better job of picking his spots. His assists should be around 5 to 6. 3.7 isn't good enough.

Rodi Kurucs - 1.3 3PA PER 36
This one is just confusing. Rodi was at 5.1 3PA per 36 last year. He worked on his shot over the summer. He looked great in the summer league. Looked great in the preseason. He seems to be petrified. 1.3 is an outrageously low number for a perimeter guy. Basically Fultz last year. Rodi needs to snap out of it right away. If he has the yips or something like Omri Casspi - he's in trouble. I hope he's just trying to figure out his role and maybe feels a little more pressure with KD/Kyrie around.

Jarrett Allen - 12.9 Rebounds Per 36
Career high for JA. Slow start for Allen but he's picked it up. His rebound is improvement is mostly on the offensive end but I've really liked his energy on the boards. His on/off numbers have been really good. It's no coincidence. Allen is a really good player. His lack of offensive improvement limits his ceiling but what he does is very valuable. If he could clean the glass while being an elite rim protector / rim roller, we'll be in great shape.

[ecuhus1981]

(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

This is conveniently impossible to prove or disprove, since Russell is gone. It's just a scapegoat alibi, and not really relevant to the thread. Your reasoning might, and I mean MIGHT, have a shred of validity, I'll grant that. But how can you prove it statistically, as per the guidelines of this thread?

I honestly think you're just looking for excuses to justify his poor play. I'd love to have 18-19 Kurucs on this roster too, and I felt he would take a step forward. But force-feeding PT can stunt a player's development as much as anything.

[SpeedyG]

(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

This is conveniently impossible to prove or disprove, since Russell is gone. It's just a scapegoat alibi, and not really relevant to the thread. Your reasoning might, and I mean MIGHT, have a shred of validity, I'll grant that. But how can you prove it statistically, as per the guidelines of this thread?

I honestly think you're just looking for excuses to justify his poor play. I'd love to have 18-19 Kurucs on this roster too, and I felt he would take a step forward. But force-feeding PT can stunt a player's development as much as anything.

Well it's not just stats but video too. I'm not even sure we've seen a single back door cut from Rodi all season, something he benefited quite a bit last season with Russell as the initiator

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[ecuhus1981]

Yes, the thread calls for video as well, but can video show you chemistry?

As far as backdoor cuts go, yes, that's one of Rodi's innate skills, and I recall a couple of them in preseason. Perhaps that's his springboard, but again, we're getting into ethereal stuff for a thread that's supposed to be nuts&bolts. I don't think our play-makers lack the ability or desire to find him in backdoor cuts; he just needs to get his life together in the court, so he can focus on the court.

[gigantes]

@Everyone,
I'd recommend Matty Brooks fantastic series over at ND [Pertinent Example], as well as u/Pseudonym994's example-heavy work on Reddit [another PE].

Yes, the thread calls for video as well, but can video show you chemistry?

As far as backdoor cuts go, yes, that's one of Rodi's innate skills, and I recall a couple of them in preseason. Perhaps that's his springboard, but again, we're getting into ethereal stuff for a thread that's supposed to be nuts&bolts. I don't think our play-makers lack the ability or desire to find him in backdoor cuts; he just needs to get his life together in the court, so he can focus on the court.

From the latter's article:

Kurucs hits a low point

In prior analysis, I’ve mentioned Kurucs propensity to pump fake on threes, drive, and end up turning the ball over or missing a shot. Yesterday verse the Pelicans, he did it multiple times, leading to turnovers and a missed shot. Because of this, it got to the point where he was unplayable and Atkinson benched him for the entire second half. He’s struggling badly and while a lot of it is self-inflicted with the non-shooting, a very small portion of it isn’t.

Last season, three aspects made up majority of Kurucs offense: Spot-up shooting (https://i.imgur.com/g5zh9uN.png), Cutting (https://i.imgur.com/L9Me3W7.png), and Transition (https://i.imgur.com/Ww6x58s.png). But I want to look mostly at the cutting aspect of the offense, because it is non-existent this season. Regarding his offense coming from cuts, I think he misses D’angelo Russell, who he received the most passes and scored the most off the passes. When you watch Kurucs' highlights last season, he had good synergy with Russell for off-ball cuts.

For example:
D'angelo drives to the rim and hits Kurucs on a back cut for a dunk
https://streamable.com/2q9n4

D'Lo drives to the rim after a JA screen and hits Kurucs back door
https://streamable.com/9g4k1

Seems to be a pistol action, but Kurucs cuts back door instead of going towards D'Lo and gets a dunk
https://streamable.com/2ra5q

Kurucs catcthes Bojan ball watching and cuts back door for the layup
https://streamable.com/0aait

Kurucs fakes out Blake Griffin and gets an alley oop pass off a cut
https://streamable.com/d950v

Another D'Lo / JA high P&R that leads to a back cut score by Kurucs
https://streamable.com/6xhzi

Here's a twitter thread involving more examples, most of them including Kurucs.

Read on Twitter

This season, this hasn’t been happening for Kurucs. It took the DET game on Saturday for him to finally (I believe) register a basket off a cut and it was from Dinwiddie in the second quarter. To me, this a lack of chemistry with all the guards. Kyrie is new, Caris had a pass frequency to Kurucs of only 3.1% last season, and Dinwiddie isn’t exactly pass first (though he had the second highest pass frequency to Kurucs in 2018).

Regardless if these back door cuts are available to him or not, he needs to take these wide open threes. However, since he's not, he's going to be dead weight on offense. He's actively taking out the main component of his offensive production and it's hurting him and the team.

[ecuhus1981]

^
This is an excellent contribution, gigantes. And it speaks to the points that Prok and SG were offering. I don't object to say that they were wrong, but this is the type of info I was hoping to dissect. I still think that the paucity of backdoor cuts for Rodi has more to do with his listlessness on the court, than Spencer's, Caris' and Kyrie's lack of vision or anticipation for that pass. He's got to put himself in position for those looks, as he did with regularity last season.

[Prokorov]

(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

This is conveniently impossible to prove or disprove, since Russell is gone. It's just a scapegoat alibi, and not really relevant to the thread. Your reasoning might, and I mean MIGHT, have a shred of validity, I'll grant that. But how can you prove it statistically, as per the guidelines of this thread?

I honestly think you're just looking for excuses to justify his poor play. I'd love to have 18-19 Kurucs on this roster too, and I felt he would take a step forward. But force-feeding PT can stunt a player's development as much as anything.

I dont think his poor play needs to be justified... its been 7 games. too small a sample size especially with inconsistent minutes.

As far as chemistry, why do we need to prove it? we all watched this team last year right? how many head nod back doors did they connect on? in either event thats minimal effect, but it may be part of it.

it is very knee jerk to base anything kurucs has done on stats so far with such a small sample

[MrDollarBills]

(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

This is conveniently impossible to prove or disprove, since Russell is gone. It's just a scapegoat alibi, and not really relevant to the thread. Your reasoning might, and I mean MIGHT, have a shred of validity, I'll grant that. But how can you prove it statistically, as per the guidelines of this thread?

I honestly think you're just looking for excuses to justify his poor play. I'd love to have 18-19 Kurucs on this roster too, and I felt he would take a step forward. But force-feeding PT can stunt a player's development as much as anything.

Well it's not just stats but video too. I'm not even sure we've seen a single back door cut from Rodi all season, something he benefited quite a bit last season with Russell as the initiator

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If I'm not mistaken he had a backdoor catch and layup versus New Orleans.

I'm just baffled at the hesitancy to shoot. In preseason he was letting it rip. Regular season he wets his pants any time he gets a wide open 3.

[therealbig3]

I commented earlier that I think Kurucs can be a future star in this league, not a lot of guys are as coordinated and athletic as he is at his size, and he's a high energy player. Reminds me of a young Kirilenko, but obviously not the defensive beast that Kirilenko was.

But that's if he plays with some confidence. He's a good shooter, he shouldn't hesitate on taking open 3s. I thought he got over it when he hit a couple of wide open ones in a game earlier this year.

I think he should keep getting time, but needs to shoot when open. It'll make everything else easier for him, and that's when he can really allow his strengths as a player to take over.

[gigantes]

^
This is an excellent contribution, gigantes. And it speaks to the points that Prok and SG were offering. I don't object to say that they were wrong, but this is the type of info I was hoping to dissect. I still think that the paucity of backdoor cuts for Rodi has more to do with his listlessness on the court, than Spencer's, Caris' and Kyrie's lack of vision or anticipation for that pass. He's got to put himself in position for those looks, as he did with regularity last season.

YQW. I really appreciate it when people like those two put in the effort to write those kinds of articles. I only have a street-balling background myself, so there's a level of fundamentals and detail in team ball that I'm often likely to miss without getting some help from here, there and everywhere.

Speaking of stats / metrics, does anybody have a resource for breaking down refs calls per season? And maybe calls per player, as well, such as for Kurucs?

Reason I ask is-- I saw a comment recently in regards to Rodi, that he's been especially hit hard by the refs making a big point (so far) this season to penalise the foot-shuffling stuff. Because on a number of his 3pt pump fake & drives so far, he's been called for the travel, whereas last season it seems like he was given more latitude.

[SpeedyG]

^
This is an excellent contribution, gigantes. And it speaks to the points that Prok and SG were offering. I don't object to say that they were wrong, but this is the type of info I was hoping to dissect. I still think that the paucity of backdoor cuts for Rodi has more to do with his listlessness on the court, than Spencer's, Caris' and Kyrie's lack of vision or anticipation for that pass. He's got to put himself in position for those looks, as he did with regularity last season.

YQW. I really appreciate it when people like those two put in the effort to write those kinds of articles. I only have a street-balling background myself, so there's a level of fundamentals and detail in team ball that I'm often likely to miss without getting some help from here, there and everywhere.

Speaking of stats / metrics, does anybody have a resource for breaking down refs calls per season? And maybe calls per player, as well, such as for Kurucs?

Reason I ask is-- I saw a comment recently in regards to Rodi, that he's been especially hit hard by the refs making a big point (so far) this season to penalise the foot-shuffling stuff. Because on a number of his 3pt pump fake & drives so far, he's been called for the travel, whereas last season it seems like he was given more latitude.

No stats, but it's a call that didn't use to get called a lot, and especially in the international game. He's going to have to adjust or hope the refs loosens up (as they sometimes do on these point of emphasis calls) later in the season.

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[therealbig3]

Zach Lowe on Deandre Jordan:

What does DeAndre Jordan do here, exactly?

Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant coercing the Nets into signing Jordan to a four-year, $40 million deal was an underrated free-agency side plot. Opponents have outscored the Nets by 13.4 points per 100 possessions with Jordan on the floor, per NBA.com. That number flips to almost its photo negative -- plus-12 -- when Jarrett Allen replaces him.

As Dallas and New York witnessed last season, Jordan just doesn't do anything on defense beyond being large and near the basket. He's basically a boulder with arms. That has value! He munches rebounds. The Nets give up fewer shots at the rim with Jordan on the floor. That has been the case with every Jordan team since his rookie season. Some players see a tall person and stop in their tracks.

The ones who keep going? They're shooting 12 percentage points higher on shots within the restricted area against Brooklyn with Jordan on the floor, per Cleaning The Glass. He's challenging only 3.3 such shots per game, even fewer than Jokic. He's a solid post defender, but the few good post-up centers left aren't afraid of him; Domantas Sabonis punked Jordan for a dunk on the first Pacers possession of their win in Brooklyn last week, and ate Jordan's lunch the rest of the game.

If the Nets had a basketball justification for signing Jordan, it was to defend bangers who overpower Allen. If he can't do that, how much value does he have?

Jordan doesn't catch as many lobs as he used to. He's even off to an icy start at the line after remaking himself into a decent foul shooter.

Brooklyn needs much more from its other free-agent acquisition.