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FrenchNBAFan wrote:Kurucs with the second worst PER in the league: 0,26

wow...

MrDollarBills wrote:

FrenchNBAFan wrote:Kurucs with the second worst PER in the league: 0,26

wow...

It matches the eyeball test. He has hesitated on multiple open threes and often dribbles himself into trouble. I've found that most of his minutes thus far have been unproductive. i would like to see Musa or Claxton get some time.

It's early, but he's been bad.

Prokorov wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:

FrenchNBAFan wrote:Kurucs with the second worst PER in the league: 0,26

wow...

It matches the eyeball test. He has hesitated on multiple open threes and often dribbles himself into trouble. I've found that most of his minutes thus far have been unproductive. i would like to see Musa or Claxton get some time.

It's early, but he's been bad.

you know who id like to see get time? Kurucs...

yea he has been really awful, but he has barely played and lets not forget he is like a 20 year old year 2 player. We know he is better then what we have seen

Paradise wrote:

Prokorov wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:
It matches the eyeball test. He has hesitated on multiple open threes and often dribbles himself into trouble. I've found that most of his minutes thus far have been unproductive. i would like to see Musa or Claxton get some time.

It's early, but he's been bad.

you know who id like to see get time? Kurucs...

yea he has been really awful, but he has barely played and lets not forget he is like a 20 year old year 2 player. We know he is better then what we have seen

It’s also because he’s afraid to shoot. He looks like a completely different player to the guy who played twice in China.

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Prokorov wrote:(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

ecuhus1981 wrote:

Prokorov wrote:(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

This is conveniently impossible to prove or disprove, since Russell is gone. It's just a scapegoat alibi, and not really relevant to the thread. Your reasoning might, and I mean MIGHT, have a shred of validity, I'll grant that. But how can you prove it statistically, as per the guidelines of this thread?

I honestly think you're just looking for excuses to justify his poor play. I'd love to have 18-19 Kurucs on this roster too, and I felt he would take a step forward. But force-feeding PT can stunt a player's development as much as anything.

ecuhus1981 wrote:Yes, the thread calls for video as well, but can video show you chemistry?

As far as backdoor cuts go, yes, that's one of Rodi's innate skills, and I recall a couple of them in preseason. Perhaps that's his springboard, but again, we're getting into ethereal stuff for a thread that's supposed to be nuts&bolts. I don't think our play-makers lack the ability or desire to find him in backdoor cuts; he just needs to get his life together in the court, so he can focus on the court.

Kurucs hits a low point

In prior analysis, I’ve mentioned Kurucs propensity to pump fake on threes, drive, and end up turning the ball over or missing a shot. Yesterday verse the Pelicans, he did it multiple times, leading to turnovers and a missed shot. Because of this, it got to the point where he was unplayable and Atkinson benched him for the entire second half. He’s struggling badly and while a lot of it is self-inflicted with the non-shooting, a very small portion of it isn’t.

Last season, three aspects made up majority of Kurucs offense: Spot-up shooting (https://i.imgur.com/g5zh9uN.png), Cutting (https://i.imgur.com/L9Me3W7.png), and Transition (https://i.imgur.com/Ww6x58s.png). But I want to look mostly at the cutting aspect of the offense, because it is non-existent this season. Regarding his offense coming from cuts, I think he misses D’angelo Russell, who he received the most passes and scored the most off the passes. When you watch Kurucs' highlights last season, he had good synergy with Russell for off-ball cuts.

For example:
D'angelo drives to the rim and hits Kurucs on a back cut for a dunk
https://streamable.com/2q9n4

D'Lo drives to the rim after a JA screen and hits Kurucs back door
https://streamable.com/9g4k1

Seems to be a pistol action, but Kurucs cuts back door instead of going towards D'Lo and gets a dunk
https://streamable.com/2ra5q

Kurucs catcthes Bojan ball watching and cuts back door for the layup
https://streamable.com/0aait

Kurucs fakes out Blake Griffin and gets an alley oop pass off a cut
https://streamable.com/d950v

Another D'Lo / JA high P&R that leads to a back cut score by Kurucs
https://streamable.com/6xhzi

Here's a twitter thread involving more examples, most of them including Kurucs.

Read on Twitter

This season, this hasn’t been happening for Kurucs. It took the DET game on Saturday for him to finally (I believe) register a basket off a cut and it was from Dinwiddie in the second quarter. To me, this a lack of chemistry with all the guards. Kyrie is new, Caris had a pass frequency to Kurucs of only 3.1% last season, and Dinwiddie isn’t exactly pass first (though he had the second highest pass frequency to Kurucs in 2018).

Regardless if these back door cuts are available to him or not, he needs to take these wide open threes. However, since he's not, he's going to be dead weight on offense. He's actively taking out the main component of his offensive production and it's hurting him and the team.

ecuhus1981 wrote:

Prokorov wrote:(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

This is conveniently impossible to prove or disprove, since Russell is gone. It's just a scapegoat alibi, and not really relevant to the thread. Your reasoning might, and I mean MIGHT, have a shred of validity, I'll grant that. But how can you prove it statistically, as per the guidelines of this thread?

I honestly think you're just looking for excuses to justify his poor play. I'd love to have 18-19 Kurucs on this roster too, and I felt he would take a step forward. But force-feeding PT can stunt a player's development as much as anything.

SpeedyG wrote:

ecuhus1981 wrote:

Prokorov wrote:(Rodi) is also probably the 1 guy Dlo had the most chemistry with, so the roster changes may be effecting him more then most

This is conveniently impossible to prove or disprove, since Russell is gone. It's just a scapegoat alibi, and not really relevant to the thread. Your reasoning might, and I mean MIGHT, have a shred of validity, I'll grant that. But how can you prove it statistically, as per the guidelines of this thread?

I honestly think you're just looking for excuses to justify his poor play. I'd love to have 18-19 Kurucs on this roster too, and I felt he would take a step forward. But force-feeding PT can stunt a player's development as much as anything.

Well it's not just stats but video too. I'm not even sure we've seen a single back door cut from Rodi all season, something he benefited quite a bit last season with Russell as the initiator

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ecuhus1981 wrote:^
This is an excellent contribution, gigantes. And it speaks to the points that Prok and SG were offering. I don't object to say that they were wrong, but this is the type of info I was hoping to dissect. I still think that the paucity of backdoor cuts for Rodi has more to do with his listlessness on the court, than Spencer's, Caris' and Kyrie's lack of vision or anticipation for that pass. He's got to put himself in position for those looks, as he did with regularity last season.

gigantes wrote:

ecuhus1981 wrote:^
This is an excellent contribution, gigantes. And it speaks to the points that Prok and SG were offering. I don't object to say that they were wrong, but this is the type of info I was hoping to dissect. I still think that the paucity of backdoor cuts for Rodi has more to do with his listlessness on the court, than Spencer's, Caris' and Kyrie's lack of vision or anticipation for that pass. He's got to put himself in position for those looks, as he did with regularity last season.

YQW. I really appreciate it when people like those two put in the effort to write those kinds of articles. I only have a street-balling background myself, so there's a level of fundamentals and detail in team ball that I'm often likely to miss without getting some help from here, there and everywhere.

Speaking of stats / metrics, does anybody have a resource for breaking down refs calls per season? And maybe calls per player, as well, such as for Kurucs?

Reason I ask is-- I saw a comment recently in regards to Rodi, that he's been especially hit hard by the refs making a big point (so far) this season to penalise the foot-shuffling stuff. Because on a number of his 3pt pump fake & drives so far, he's been called for the travel, whereas last season it seems like he was given more latitude.

What does DeAndre Jordan do here, exactly?

Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant coercing the Nets into signing Jordan to a four-year, $40 million deal was an underrated free-agency side plot. Opponents have outscored the Nets by 13.4 points per 100 possessions with Jordan on the floor, per NBA.com. That number flips to almost its photo negative -- plus-12 -- when Jarrett Allen replaces him.

As Dallas and New York witnessed last season, Jordan just doesn't do anything on defense beyond being large and near the basket. He's basically a boulder with arms. That has value! He munches rebounds. The Nets give up fewer shots at the rim with Jordan on the floor. That has been the case with every Jordan team since his rookie season. Some players see a tall person and stop in their tracks.

The ones who keep going? They're shooting 12 percentage points higher on shots within the restricted area against Brooklyn with Jordan on the floor, per Cleaning The Glass. He's challenging only 3.3 such shots per game, even fewer than Jokic. He's a solid post defender, but the few good post-up centers left aren't afraid of him; Domantas Sabonis punked Jordan for a dunk on the first Pacers possession of their win in Brooklyn last week, and ate Jordan's lunch the rest of the game.

If the Nets had a basketball justification for signing Jordan, it was to defend bangers who overpower Allen. If he can't do that, how much value does he have?

Jordan doesn't catch as many lobs as he used to. He's even off to an icy start at the line after remaking himself into a decent foul shooter.

Brooklyn needs much more from its other free-agent acquisition.