What are some trade ideas you’d entertain?

[Stone]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

[Papi_swav]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

CHRIST NO !

[SpeedyG]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

Yeah that's not happening. Rest easy, child.

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[TheNetsFan]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

Yeah that's not happening. Rest easy, child.

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Why on earth would we want an expensive PF/C, when KD will eventually be back. If we’re trading for a big piece, it’ll likely be for a wing with PG skills in the Beal/McCollum mold.

I can’t see any of KD’s buddies (Jordan, Temple, Prince, LeVert, Kyrie) being traded before the 2021 trade deadline. If anything, we’ll just tinker on the edges and find a 3rd PG.

[NyCeEvO]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

Yeah that's not happening. Rest easy, child.

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Why on earth would we want an expensive PF/C, when KD will eventually be back. If we’re trading for a big piece, it’ll likely be for a wing with PG skills in the Beal/McCollum mold.

I can’t see any of KD’s buddies (Jordan, Temple, Prince, LeVert, Kyrie) being traded before the 2021 trade deadline. If anything, we’ll just tinker on the edges and find a 3rd PG.

I’ve always loved Beal going back to his Florida days. Coming out of college, he was already an elite shooter with a great crossover and driving ability. Barring injury, I knew he was going to be good. He’s even exceeded my expectations.

Coincidentally, I just listened to a Woj podcast interview with him today. Beal essentially corroborated all of the reports that he’s committed to the Wizards for at least several more seasons regardless of how bad they might become. I don’t see the Wizards trading him at all. I respect him for sticking with his franchise and not jumping to team up at the first opportunity to do so.

[gigantes]

Dinwiddie being a better offensive player/scorer/shooter doesnt make levert a scrub or someone who needs to be moved.

Dinwiddie is a 25/8 player as a starter right now and balled out last year too when injuries forced him into more volume. hard to top that.

Yes, we should all be grateful for what Spencer brings. It truly is remarkable that he was available, remarkable that Marks found him, and remarkable that he developed so well. All to greater or lesser degree.

Btw, pardon to whoever. I was having some 8% beers while watching the game last night, and got a bit silly, above.

Anyway, my general response to this thread remains "not just now, thanks."

Caris has been my favorite player on the Nets since he was drafted, but I've slowly been shifting to being ok with trading him if the right deal came up.

The ability to shoot has increasingly become a more important skill for players (especially wings). Last season, I spoke ad nauseam on Caris needing to improve his shooting in order to become a more effective player and take his game to the next level. He has done so a bit but he needs to be considerably better in order to be considered a true star player.

IMO, a starting player needs to be specialist (i.e. elite) at least one thing and better than all other players on the roster to warrant keep his spot.
– Kyrie is obviously a better PG than Caris, so there's no need to entertain him being the starting PG.
– Joe is a premier 3pt point marksman and a very good overall offensive player. I think Joe is more effective for us as a starter than Caris (at least during the regular season).
– Dinwiddie is a greater threat from deep as a shooter, attacks the basket as well as Caris, and is probably the better distributor. Dinwiddie is also significantly less injury prone (knock on wood).

If my starting lineup was based on pure offensive ability, I'd probably go with those three as my 1-3.

While I wouldn't trade Caris for anyone (because he's still a good player), I'd definitely entertain trading him if a disgruntled star wanted to come here and their team was willing to trade him to us with Caris as the main player leaving us.

I can dig that way of looking at the situation, although I disagree that Spencer is the better long range shooter than Caris. The numbers go directly against that, as I posted above.

That said, I do understand that DWidd's average is brought down by his opportunistic shooting, of course. But still, I don't think anyone can reasonably say at this point that Spencer is the better 3pt shooter than LeVert at this point in their careers. 32% beating 36% just doesn't do it for me no matter how much you take in to acct the difference in usage.

Also, let's not forget that if we trade Caris in the near future, 1) we'll likely be doing so when his value is naturally down; 2) he was arguably in the middle of a significant growth spurt this season.

FWIW, he's also Sean Marks' 'signature player,' still yet to fully bloom, and it's pretty hard to see Marks giving up on him just at the moment.

[Prokorov]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

There is no way i include harris in a deal. ZERO. he is the guy you NEED next to durant and kyrie to space the floor and who doesnt need the ball in his hands.

Prince fine. DJ fine. Levert fine. maybe spencer. not all 4 either

Ideally levert, prince and some seconds.

We know Kyrie/Love + lebron won a title. Kyrie/Love + Durant and better role guys is certainly a contender

[Prokorov]

Yes, we should all be grateful for what Spencer brings. It truly is remarkable that he was available, remarkable that Marks found him, and remarkable that he developed so well. All to greater or lesser degree.

Btw, pardon to whoever. I was having some 8% beers while watching the game last night, and got a bit silly, above.

Anyway, my general response to this thread remains "not just now, thanks."

Caris has been my favorite player on the Nets since he was drafted, but I've slowly been shifting to being ok with trading him if the right deal came up.

The ability to shoot has increasingly become a more important skill for players (especially wings). Last season, I spoke ad nauseam on Caris needing to improve his shooting in order to become a more effective player and take his game to the next level. He has done so a bit but he needs to be considerably better in order to be considered a true star player.

IMO, a starting player needs to be specialist (i.e. elite) at least one thing and better than all other players on the roster to warrant keep his spot.
– Kyrie is obviously a better PG than Caris, so there's no need to entertain him being the starting PG.
– Joe is a premier 3pt point marksman and a very good overall offensive player. I think Joe is more effective for us as a starter than Caris (at least during the regular season).
– Dinwiddie is a greater threat from deep as a shooter, attacks the basket as well as Caris, and is probably the better distributor. Dinwiddie is also significantly less injury prone (knock on wood).

If my starting lineup was based on pure offensive ability, I'd probably go with those three as my 1-3.

While I wouldn't trade Caris for anyone (because he's still a good player), I'd definitely entertain trading him if a disgruntled star wanted to come here and their team was willing to trade him to us with Caris as the main player leaving us.

I can dig that way of looking at the situation, although I disagree that Spencer is the better long range shooter than Caris. The numbers go directly against that, as I posted above.

That said, I do understand that DWidd's average is brought down by his opportunistic shooting, of course. But still, I don't think anyone can reasonably say at this point that Spencer is the better 3pt shooter than LeVert at this point in their careers. 32% beating 36% just doesn't do it for me no matter how much you take in to acct the difference in usage.

Also, let's not forget that if we trade Caris in the near future, 1) we'll likely be doing so when his value is naturally down; 2) he was arguably in the middle of a significant growth spurt this season.

FWIW, he's also Sean Marks' 'signature player,' still yet to fully bloom, and it's pretty hard to see Marks giving up on him just at the moment.

i dont see the argument for levert being a better shooter at any distance unless you are looking at raw 3P% and ntohing else and ingoring every other distance, volume, usage, shot carts, and % by situation

[gigantes]

i dont see the argument for levert being a better shooter at any distance unless you are looking at raw 3P% and ntohing else and ingoring every other distance, volume, usage, shot carts, and % by situation

What do you mean "any distance" or "any other distance?" I was specifically talking about the collection of spots around the perimeter that go in to collective 3pt range.

Not to mention, I've in fact given credit to Spencer for the difference in usage all along the way. In terms of pure volume, we're only talking a two shot difference per game.

But as long as you're digging this up with me again, why not lay out your full case as to why you consider DWidd the better long-range shooter than LeVert, instead of going for the trollish comments?

[ecuhus1981]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

I wouldn't rule it out, though I know that its' not a popular sentiment around here. We're winning and gelling through adversity. Windiddie isn't going anywhere, and I would hate to lose Joe but he seems a logical departure in trading for a star. The fact is, Love would fit here, even after Durant is healthy. KD can play the 3, 4 or 5 for us, but I'm sure he would welcome returning to the 3.

[Papi_swav]

I'm not going to even bother thinking of trades with our guys that are getting major minutes. I don't see Levert/Prince/Din/ DJ or anybody playing heavy minutes traded anytime soon. Not until we see what they look like when KD gets here. With that said, we should see what lower level players we can trade for or some diamonds in the rough we can find.

Kurucs for Bruno Caboclo and a protected 2nd from the Grizzlies. The Bruno kid could play some defense but he hasn't got any minutes.

Kurucs for Harkless

yea forget it , I suck at this lol.

[MrDollarBills]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

There is no way i include harris in a deal. ZERO. he is the guy you NEED next to durant and kyrie to space the floor and who doesnt need the ball in his hands.

Prince fine. DJ fine. Levert fine. maybe spencer. not all 4 either

Ideally levert, prince and some seconds.

We know Kyrie/Love + lebron won a title. Kyrie/Love + Durant and better role guys is certainly a contender

I would keep the squad together. I like what I've seen from Jordan as of late and he's a solid passer in the half court. Prince is shooting 41% from three, and Harris of course is an elite shooter and finisher.

I would rather keep the role players who are elite at shooting and a serviceable back up center over cashing those chips in for Kevin Love. I don't think we'll need him especially when KD returns. Dinwiddie's game has elevated to all star level, I think this team as constructed is a contender next season barring a few tweaks (we probably should consider getting a veteran PG for 3rd string).

[Prokorov]

i dont see the argument for levert being a better shooter at any distance unless you are looking at raw 3P% and ntohing else and ingoring every other distance, volume, usage, shot carts, and % by situation

What do you mean "any distance" or "any other distance?" I was specifically talking about the collection of spots around the perimeter that go in to collective 3pt range.

Not to mention, I've in fact given credit to Spencer for the difference in usage all along the way. In terms of pure volume, we're only talking a two shot difference per game.

But as long as you're digging this up with me again, why not lay out your full case as to why you consider DWidd the better long-range shooter than LeVert, instead of going for the trollish comments?

2 shots a game is an enormous amount when taking about 3-point volume.

there is no case. dinwiddie is better than levert in every aspect of shooting and scoring.

[gigantes]

i dont see the argument for levert being a better shooter at any distance unless you are looking at raw 3P% and ntohing else and ingoring every other distance, volume, usage, shot carts, and % by situation

What do you mean "any distance" or "any other distance?" I was specifically talking about the collection of spots around the perimeter that go in to collective 3pt range.

Not to mention, I've in fact given credit to Spencer for the difference in usage all along the way. In terms of pure volume, we're only talking a two shot difference per game.

But as long as you're digging this up with me again, why not lay out your full case as to why you consider DWidd the better long-range shooter than LeVert, instead of going for the trollish comments?

2 shots a game is an enormous amount when taking about 3-point volume.

there is no case. dinwiddie is better than levert in every aspect of shooting and scoring.

Yeap, thanks for another unsolicited, grandiose opinion completely without effort or evidence on your part. Fortunately, we're pretty big on composting around here.

[Prokorov]

I saw on another website (HH) that we are one of four possible landing spots for Kevin Love. They're talking DJ, Joe or Spencer and also Prince.

There is no way i include harris in a deal. ZERO. he is the guy you NEED next to durant and kyrie to space the floor and who doesnt need the ball in his hands.

Prince fine. DJ fine. Levert fine. maybe spencer. not all 4 either

Ideally levert, prince and some seconds.

We know Kyrie/Love + lebron won a title. Kyrie/Love + Durant and better role guys is certainly a contender

I would keep the squad together. I like what I've seen from Jordan as of late and he's a solid passer in the half court. Prince is shooting 41% from three, and Harris of course is an elite shooter and finisher.

I would rather keep the role players who are elite at shooting and a serviceable back up center over cashing those chips in for Kevin Love. I don't think we'll need him especially when KD returns. Dinwiddie's game has elevated to all star level, I think this team as constructed is a contender next season barring a few tweaks (we probably should consider getting a veteran PG for 3rd string).

im not trading all of them.... but if i can move levert/prince and a pick for kevin love you do that 100 times out of 100.

Love is an outstanding fit and proven he can be that third cog on a champtionship team sacraficing touches to win and has already worked with Kyrie. is still an 11 rebound per game player who shoots it at 38% from deep on high volume. and that trade doesnt kill our depth or role players at all....

Kyrie | Dinwiddie
Harris | Nwaba/Musa
Durant | Shumpert
Love | Temple/Claxton
Allen | Jordan

You keep the core of Dinwiddie/Harris/Allen while adding a bonafide star who fits and raises your chances at a title.

And you basically only need Levert (who is oft injured) and a pick to upgrade prince to love?

have to make that deal

[Prokorov]

What do you mean "any distance" or "any other distance?" I was specifically talking about the collection of spots around the perimeter that go in to collective 3pt range.

Not to mention, I've in fact given credit to Spencer for the difference in usage all along the way. In terms of pure volume, we're only talking a two shot difference per game.

But as long as you're digging this up with me again, why not lay out your full case as to why you consider DWidd the better long-range shooter than LeVert, instead of going for the trollish comments?

2 shots a game is an enormous amount when taking about 3-point volume.

there is no case. dinwiddie is better than levert in every aspect of shooting and scoring.

Yeap, thanks for another unsolicited, grandiose opinion completely without effort or evidence on your part. Fortunately, we're big on composting around here.

what is the point of evidence when you are basically like arguing the sky isnt blue?

you are comparing an outstanding efficeint scorer to a super inefficient scorer and poor shooter.

Levert is 33% on 3.5 attempts per game while dinwiddie is 32% on 4 attempts

the idea that levert is better is beyond lunacy... he only argument is a 1% diffeberence in raw percentage if you completely ignore the eye test and dinwddie being forced into taking more low leverage threes

[gigantes]

2 shots a game is an enormous amount when taking about 3-point volume.

there is no case. dinwiddie is better than levert in every aspect of shooting and scoring.

Yeap, thanks for another unsolicited, grandiose opinion completely without effort or evidence on your part. Fortunately, we're big on composting around here.

what is the point of evidence when you are basically like arguing the sky isnt blue?

you are comparing an outstanding efficeint scorer to a super inefficient scorer and poor shooter.

Levert is 33% on 3.5 attempts per game while dinwiddie is 32% on 4 attempts

the idea that levert is better is beyond lunacy... he only argument is a 1% diffeberence in raw percentage if you completely ignore the eye test and dinwddie being forced into taking more low leverage threes

No, see-- YOU'RE the one who's doing that.

YOU'RE the one effectively saying "I'm so completely sure of my opinion that I'm only going to bother restating it with minor differences, over and over again."

You're the one who's so incredibly sure of themselves, yet somehow can't be arsed to respond with a proper rebuttal. That's after I specifically asked you / challenged you on that, mind you. At this point, I'm starting to doubt you actually have it in you.

Me? I'm not really sure one of these guys is 'better' than the other at 3pt shooting. Maybe I'm being naive, but I'm leaning towards LeVert, with the stipulation that I could possibly be swayed the other way. One thing I -do- know, is that neither are particularly good from long range. That much is clear.

Regardless, Proky-- despite how many more low-effort comments you want to throw at me again, I know this for sure--

- Spencer is a career 32% 3pt shooter who's down to 31% on 6 attempts this season, in his sixth year.

- Caris is a career 33% 3pt shooter in his 4th year, who's also missed a tonne of time, and therefore is likely behind the typical development arc of 4th years. That stuff is worth noting, because...

- Caris came out this season hitting 36% on 4 attempts in the nine games he played before he went down. Pretty obviously something changed, and pretty obviously, 3pt'ers are a real priority for younger players on the Nets.

- Incidentally, you can also be absolutely sure that just like Dwidd, LeVerts attempts per game would have gone right on up if he'd been left as the top PG on the squad, just like what happened with DLo last season.


So there you go, Proky. Some facts and reality for you.

Now, next time, do you think you'll be able to give me something more than your general, hand-waving, "I can't believe this guy doesn't agree with me" routine...?

[Prokorov]

Yeap, thanks for another unsolicited, grandiose opinion completely without effort or evidence on your part. Fortunately, we're big on composting around here.

what is the point of evidence when you are basically like arguing the sky isnt blue?

you are comparing an outstanding efficeint scorer to a super inefficient scorer and poor shooter.

Levert is 33% on 3.5 attempts per game while dinwiddie is 32% on 4 attempts

the idea that levert is better is beyond lunacy... he only argument is a 1% diffeberence in raw percentage if you completely ignore the eye test and dinwddie being forced into taking more low leverage threes

No, see-- YOU'RE the one who's doing that.

YOU'RE the one effectively saying "I'm so completely sure of my opinion that I'm only going to bother restating it with minor differences, over and over again."

You're the one who's so incredibly sure of themselves, yet somehow can't be arsed to respond with a proper rebuttal. That's after I specifically asked you / challenged you on that, mind you. At this point, I'm starting to doubt you actually have it in you.

Me? I'm not really sure one of these guys is 'better' than the other at 3pt shooting. Maybe I'm being naive, but I'm leaning towards LeVert, with the stipulation that I could possibly be swayed the other way. One thing I -do- know, is that neither are particularly good from long range. That much is clear.

Regardless, Proky-- despite how many more low-effort comments you want to throw at me again, I know this for sure--

- Spencer is a career 32% 3pt shooter who's down to 31% on 6 attempts this season, in his sixth year.

- Caris is a career 33% 3pt shooter in his 4th year, who's also missed a tonne of time, and therefore is likely behind the typical development arc of 4th years. That stuff is worth noting, because...

- Caris came out this season hitting 36% on 4 attempts in the nine games he played before he went down. Pretty obviously something changed, and pretty obviously, 3pt'ers are a real priority for younger players on the Nets.

- Incidentally, you can also be absolutely sure that just like Dwidd, LeVerts attempts per game would have gone right on up if he'd been left as the top PG on the squad, just like what happened with DLo last season.


So there you go, Proky. Some facts and reality for you.

Now, next time, do you think you'll be able to give me something more than your general, hand-waving, "I can't believe this guy doesn't agree with me" routine...?

dinwiddie is 1% worse from three on more volume while taking more low efficiency threes (off the dribble, side step, forced to shoot cause he plays more minutes on the bench without other offensive options).

i dont get the point of this? its like arguing if kyrie is better then pinson because the nets have more wins with kyrie out and pinson starting.

Dinwiddie is an outstaning scorer and solid shooter

Levert is one of the most inefficienct scorers and a poor shooter

who do you think is a better shooter?

[jbeachboy]

we dont need any trades right now , roster looks good and guys are coming back.

[DeRoma]

A trade i'd entertain is

1. Musa, Kurucs for Denzel Valentine.
2. Musa, Kurucs, Wilson Chandler for Taj Gibson