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When Levert and Kyrie comes back I think we should consider starting Din with Kyrie. I think the team will be much better with Levert being our 6th man. Din just makes the offense and rhythm flows. Have Din be the real point guard of the team with Kyrie off the ball or in the shooting guard position on offense. I mean it's worth a try. I don't think Kyrie and Levert is a good fit together , it just isn't.

They are both 2 ball dominating guards that looks to score and neither are great defenders. And we seen how great Levert can be when he's the 6th man (Philly in the playoffs). Din can knock the 3 down efficiently , whether it's catch and shoot, around a screen or on a fadeway. Levert is really just a spot up shooter out there at 3. I wholeheartedly believe this is the switch we need to make.

Din/Kyrie/Harris/Prince/Allen. That way Levert can be a true 6th man and look to score as much as he wants in the 2nd unit and also being a main ball handler that we desperately need right now for the 2nd unit. Thoughts?

I was thinking more about starting Kyrie/Temple/Harris/Prince/Allen

Temple is shooting threes at 36%, Harris at 46% and Prince at 42%

That is elite floor spacing.

MrDollarBills wrote:I was thinking more about starting Kyrie/Temple/Harris/Prince/Allen

Temple is shooting threes at 36%, Harris at 46% and Prince at 42%

That is elite floor spacing.

I'm not against that. Our bench would be killer. The thing is , I'm just not sure how that matches up with more elite competition. I feel like Kyrie and Din are 2 top level players that can match top teams.

And it was more of letting Din remain the starting point guard while kyrie operates as the scorer. Yea Temple is knocking the 3 down but we know Din is just as good or maybe better even though the %'s don't tell that right now. Kyrie can play more off ball while Din makes more of the point guard decisions.

I agree that, despite the small sample size, we have enough data to say that Caris and Kyrie are not meshing well. I think that Temple should be the starter, and CLV and Dinwiddie can command the 2nd unit. IF one of those 2 gets to play with Irving more, it should be Spence.

LeVert's 3-ball looks better, and that's encouraging for the long-term fit with him and KI. But right now, his instinct is to not put himself in great catch-and-shoot spots when Kyrie is breaking down his man. TO make matters worse, Caris turns down good shots created by others, opting instead to dribble. He's not selfish, but he kills spacing. Temple is an expert at sneaking to the corners while the primary ball-handlers cook, and that's what you need most around a star.

The final thing I'll say is that I've been disappointed by Caris' defense. I think he focused on his offense this summer, and he has taken a step forward. But part of making an Irving-LeVert backcourt work full-time is that one of them has to be a lockdown defender, a Klay. Kyrie is actually a slightly above average defender, which helps us in that regard. But LeVert was a big part of our early season defensive struggles. He gives no effort through screens, doesn't apply any ball pressure, and gives up waaaay too easily.

WIth Kyrie, I aim to use Dinwiddie as the 6th man, primary guy to lead the 2nd unit...

IMO, we handicap ourselves if we move Dinwiddie tot he first along with Irving... I don’t think they compliment each other in starters minutes

Of all 2-man lineups including Kyrie (12 minute minimum) his minutes with Dinwiddie produce the best offensive rating by far at 118.9pts/100poss. Granted, it is a small sample but I don't see how Kyrie and Din can't fit together. They're a much better fit than Levert. Din can catch and shoot well and he can spot up. He's also a better facilitator than Kyrie and everybody else on this team. Like I said, Din can run the point duties like he's been doing while KI has been out and he's doing a fantastic job. Kyrie can focus more on his scoring like he wants to. I mean they both going to share the ball but I think Din makes better plays in making our offense flow right. Kyrie is more of a ball stopper. We would come out the gates punching teams in the mouth in the 1st quarter.

We've seen Marks and KA stressing how they want 2 ball handlers out there together. They've been saying this for years. Temple is not really a ball handler even though he can do it in spurts. Either way, Din/Levert/Kyrie/Harris all needs minutes and all are going to average around 30 mins or more. They will play more minutes than Temple. Din/Levert/Kyrie will have to learn how to mesh with each other bottom line.

Again, I'm not against Temple starting with kyrie, he does all the little things to win. But we are going to have to match elite level talent when we play elite level talented teams.

I was thinking about that too, but then I think it really hurts our 2nd unit. Kyrie and Dinwiddie are both most effective with the ball in their hands so i'm not sure it would work. LeVert/Temple can't run the offense as well as Spencer can, so the 2nd unit would suffer unless you do staggered minutes. You also risk Spencer getting in foul trouble by starting him if he's focused on locking down a wing. I think starting Temple over LeVert warrants some serious consideration though because of the defense and 3 point shooting.

I think Temple should start instead of Levert.

Kyrie | Harris | Temple | Prince | Allen

Spencer | Levert | Shumpert | Nwaba | Jordan

Basically we put Kyrie into the role spencer is in now... surround him with shooters and finishers. Then you replace Pinson/Musa with Dinwiddie/Levert making our bench go full Vultron again. Dinwiddie/Levert obviously still get 28-30+ minutes a game regardless.


To me this makes the most sense. You give Kyrie elite spacing where he can do damage. You add defense with Temple starting.... Spencer/Caris have good chemistry and both have feasted off the bench as supersubs. you ride hot hands second half as needed.

Papi_swav wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:I was thinking more about starting Kyrie/Temple/Harris/Prince/Allen

Temple is shooting threes at 36%, Harris at 46% and Prince at 42%

That is elite floor spacing.

I'm not against that. Our bench would be killer. The thing is , I'm just not sure how that matches up with more elite competition. I feel like Kyrie and Din are 2 top level players that can match top teams.

And it was more of letting Din remain the starting point guard while kyrie operates as the scorer. Yea Temple is knocking the 3 down but we know Din is just as good or maybe better even though the %'s don't tell that right now. Kyrie can play more off ball while Din makes more of the point guard decisions.

you can still ride dinwiddie 30 mpg off the bench and play him crunch time

Prokorov wrote:I think Temple should start instead of Levert.

Kyrie | Harris | Temple | Prince | Allen

Spencer | Levert | Shumpert | Nwaba | Jordan

Basically we put Kyrie into the role spencer is in now... surround him with shooters and finishers. Then you replace Pinson/Musa with Dinwiddie/Levert making our bench go full Vultron again. Dinwiddie/Levert obviously still get 28-30+ minutes a game regardless.


To me this makes the most sense. You give Kyrie elite spacing where he can do damage. You add defense with Temple starting.... Spencer/Caris have good chemistry and both have feasted off the bench as supersubs. you ride hot hands second half as needed.

I like this idea the most... at least for the regular season. I think come playoff time Caris will probably start since better defensive teams would key in on Kyrie and that would probably ask too much of Temple/Prince.

Since Kyrie will be back before Caris(at least I hope so ) We'll get to see Kyrie-Temple-Harris-Prince-Allen and see if it works.

who becomes backup point guard if you start din with kyrie?

I think the bigger issue is keeping Temple out of the starting lineup.

Din with Kyrie is definitely the way to go. As for the people that think it's not a good idea because of the result of the second unit not having enough fire power... That simply not true. Having LeVert have the ability to be the main focus of an offense will simply make him better impact wise. LeVert / Temple / Shump / Nwaba / DJ is a killer second unit who should be top 5 in the league. That's a type of line up that would run over anyone. If anyone whose making the big sacrifice it's Dinwiddie however that's fine because he is the type of person that will be willing to make those sacrifice for the better of the team.

Prokorov wrote:I think Temple should start instead of Levert.

Kyrie | Harris | Temple | Prince | Allen

Spencer | Levert | Shumpert | Nwaba | Jordan

Basically we put Kyrie into the role spencer is in now... surround him with shooters and finishers. Then you replace Pinson/Musa with Dinwiddie/Levert making our bench go full Vultron again. Dinwiddie/Levert obviously still get 28-30+ minutes a game regardless.


To me this makes the most sense. You give Kyrie elite spacing where he can do damage. You add defense with Temple starting.... Spencer/Caris have good chemistry and both have feasted off the bench as supersubs. you ride hot hands second half as needed.

Also, that 2nd unit isn't going to bleed points due to having Shump and Nwaba out there scrapping.

This team at full strength is going to be a load for other teams to handle. And this is WITHOUT Durant.

Paradise wrote:I think the bigger issue is keeping Temple out of the starting lineup.

I like the idea of having two penetrators with the bench unit in Dinwiddie/LeVert. Irving/Temple/Harris/Prince/Allen is going to generate a ton of offense.

Also yall Dinwiddie most likely finishes games with Kyrie anyway, so we can stagger them.

If we have a strong December and January both Nets PGs may be in the all star game. this is crazy

jbeachboy wrote:who becomes backup point guard if you start din with kyrie?

levert

Prokorov wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:who becomes backup point guard if you start din with kyrie?

levert

Yeah I won't lie, the LeVert-Temple-Shumpert-Nwaba-Jordan 2nd unit sounds great also. we all know that Spencer is talented and qualified enough to be an All-Star, so whether or not he's good enough to be a starter is not even up for debate. My only concern is how well he can operate as secondary guy, especially working off the ball in catch-and-shoot scenarios. Defense is also a concern, not so much himself but for the whole team. Garrett is far less talented, but his specific strengths complement the starters perfectly, and seem to make everyone better than the sum of their parts.

Oh well. With everyone healthy, we have a good problem: too much quality depth!

Dinwiddie is best with the ball in his hands and so is Kyrie.

It doesn't make sense to start them together. Dinwiddie is best in a Lou Will type role.

Also I don't agree with benching Levert for Temple. We still need more scoring in our starting lineup besides Kyrie vs good defenses. Levert is good off ball and will take the heat off Kyrie.

Temple is a great complement to Dinwiddie off the bench anyway.

I would close with all 3 + Harris and Allen or Prince, depending on the matchup.

Papi_swav wrote:Din can catch and shoot well and he can spot up.

Disagree. Dinwiddie is a bad shooter, especially this year. Hes below 30% from 3. He excels in getting to the rim.