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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#81 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:52 am

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Papi_swav wrote:Awful game, had 4 games of rest and we got spanked by one of the worst teams in the league. And we ain't beating Houston looking like this. So that'l put us back closer to .500 .

Prince is trash ! I would get rid of him for some type of value at the deadline I don't care, that guy is way too hot and cold for my liking and he can't dribble to save his life. Other than shooting I don't know what he's good for, and that's if his shot is falling.

I wouldn't trade Prince. But its clear he's not starter material. Once KD comes back and he's on the bench his weaknesses will be hidden a lot better. I think what disappoints me the most is that I thought he was a much better defender and he's been downright terrible. Randle killed him tonight and it was all from the perimeter.


Yeah we shouldn't knee jerk here. This team is not even remotely 100%.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#82 » by Papi_swav » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:52 am

Paradise wrote:Kyrie and Caris can’t come back soon enough.

This is just like the Hornets loss. A reality check you cannot come in and expect a win. We don’t have that luxury.

It's not really like Hornets lost. We should of beat Hornets that night but let our foot off the gas and let Graham go off. We were hot trash the whole night tonight and Knicks spanked us by 20. Two very different losses, but idk which one is worse. Both teams we should beat.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#83 » by Paradise » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:53 am

Fat Kat wrote:We want Kadeem

We want Kadeem

We want Kadeem

Congrats on an 8th win. Good luck on a another 20 win season!

Nico Mannion is going to look tremendous on the Knicks as the 8th pick.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#84 » by Papi_swav » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:56 am

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Papi_swav wrote:Awful game, had 4 games of rest and we got spanked by one of the worst teams in the league. And we ain't beating Houston looking like this. So that'l put us back closer to .500 .

Prince is trash ! I would get rid of him for some type of value at the deadline I don't care, that guy is way too hot and cold for my liking and he can't dribble to save his life. Other than shooting I don't know what he's good for, and that's if his shot is falling.

I wouldn't trade Prince. But its clear he's not starter material. Once KD comes back and he's on the bench his weaknesses will be hidden a lot better. I think what disappoints me the most is that I thought he was a much better defender and he's been downright terrible. Randle killed him tonight and it was all from the perimeter.


Yeah we shouldn't knee jerk here. This team is not even remotely 100%.

Even if he comes off the bench, he is who he is. He's been exposed and I don't see anything turning that around. He doesn't do anything well but shoot. And he is way too hot and cold for my liking. We can't trade him now because it would be less than what we got him for. I don't think he has good value now anyway especially with the new contract that we should of gave Joe.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#85 » by Born_Ready » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:58 am

It was Spencer all by himself tonight. There needs to be some accountability somewhere with such a putrid night from all starters. Ridiculous effort.

Side note, I've been on Randle bandwagon for awhile and was pimpin for the Nets to go after him before all the KI&KD stuff came to fruition. I just wish he played anywhere else but there. I don't like to cheer against him. That's my dawg (Chris Tucker voice).
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#86 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:00 am

LMAO at the Knicks fans chirping.

A December win is all they have to look forward to this season.

We still beat them the last two times and will beat them the next time. They're still the worst team in the league and the biggest laughing stock in the NBA.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#87 » by Shark » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:01 am

Born_Ready wrote:It was Spencer all by himself tonight. There needs to be some accountability somewhere with such a putrid night from all starters. Ridiculous effort.

Side note, I've been on Randle bandwagon for awhile and was pimpin for the Nets to go after him before all the KI&KD stuff came to fruition. I just wish he played anywhere else but there. I don't like to cheer against him. That's my dawg (Chris Tucker voice).

His jumper has really come a long way. Surprisingly smooth. Just shocked that he didn't have more takers in the market last offseason.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#88 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:03 am

Just a bad loss of a long layover. I take nothing from this game.

We will bounce back. But we really do need Levert back. He will make a huge difference.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#89 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:06 am

Paradise wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:We want Kadeem

We want Kadeem

We want Kadeem

Congrats on an 8th win. Good luck on a another 20 win season!

Nico Mannion is going to look tremendous on the Knicks as the 8th pick.


Report him like I did. We can't go on their board talking **** so let's make sure they can't come on here and do it.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#90 » by Papi_swav » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:17 am

Check this out. Prince's shooting the last 5 games:

Knicks: 1-10 FG 1-10 3FG
Hawks: 4-13 FG 2-4 3FG
Sperms: 3-9 FG 0-5 3FG
NO: 1-9 FG 1-6 3FG
Sixers: 4-12 FG 0-1 3FG
Total: 13-53 FG 4-21 3FG

HORRIBLE ! We aren't getting any production at that 4 spot lately. And we can take it even back further. He's definitely a bench player and has been a disappointment to me. DMC was better for us and gave us effort. Should of given that contract to Joe Harris.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#91 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:19 am

Papi_swav wrote:Check this out. Prince's shooting the last 5 games:

Knicks: 1-10 FG 1-10 3FG
Hawks: 4-13 FG 2-4 3FG
Sperms: 3-9 FG 0-5 3FG
NO: 1-9 FG 1-6 3FG
Sixers: 4-12 FG 0-1 3FG
Total: 13-53 FG 4-21 3FG

HORRIBLE ! We aren't getting any production at that 4 spot lately. And we can take it even back further. He's definitely a bench player and has been a disappointment to me. DMC was better for us and gave us effort. Should of given that contract to Joe Harris.


A five game slump isn't reason for panic.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#92 » by Papi_swav » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:21 am

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Papi_swav wrote:Check this out. Prince's shooting the last 5 games:

Knicks: 1-10 FG 1-10 3FG
Hawks: 4-13 FG 2-4 3FG
Sperms: 3-9 FG 0-5 3FG
NO: 1-9 FG 1-6 3FG
Sixers: 4-12 FG 0-1 3FG
Total: 13-53 FG 4-21 3FG

HORRIBLE ! We aren't getting any production at that 4 spot lately. And we can take it even back further. He's definitely a bench player and has been a disappointment to me. DMC was better for us and gave us effort. Should of given that contract to Joe Harris.


A five game slump isn't reason for panic.

Like I said we can take it back further, it's been more than 5 games but I'm too lazy to do the 10 game or 15 game stretch right now. You can check for yourself. He is not the stretch 4, 3 pt specialist we were hoping he was. 38% FG and 37% 3FG on the season isn't going to cut it. And that's not a 5 game stretch. If he did other things well then those numbers wouldn't be a problem, but he doesn't do anything else well and that's the problem.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#93 » by DarkXaero » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:31 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Disagree.

I've been saying that we desperately need a secondary scorer when the offense goes haywire. Right now we have nobody that can get their own shot outside of Din.

We know Levert can score the ball when healthy.
Levert has yet to have an efficient scoring NBA season, and he has a tendency to be bad when he comes back from a long layoff. So yeah, I'd temper expectations on his return. Sure, his ability is much greater than anyone on the bench, but it doesn't mean he can help us with that level of responsibility right away.


Its not like Dinwiddie has been very efficient either.

And this is a thumb injury. Its way easier to come back from.
Except Dinwiddie has been efficient...

Even a bad game like tonight, still had 25 pts on 15 shots.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#94 » by DarkXaero » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:33 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Check this out. Prince's shooting the last 5 games:

Knicks: 1-10 FG 1-10 3FG
Hawks: 4-13 FG 2-4 3FG
Sperms: 3-9 FG 0-5 3FG
NO: 1-9 FG 1-6 3FG
Sixers: 4-12 FG 0-1 3FG
Total: 13-53 FG 4-21 3FG

HORRIBLE ! We aren't getting any production at that 4 spot lately. And we can take it even back further. He's definitely a bench player and has been a disappointment to me. DMC was better for us and gave us effort. Should of given that contract to Joe Harris.


A five game slump isn't reason for panic.
It isn't just 5 games, he has been shooting in low 30s for the last 10 games, and his overall season efficiency has tanked hard...
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#95 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:39 am

DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Check this out. Prince's shooting the last 5 games:

Knicks: 1-10 FG 1-10 3FG
Hawks: 4-13 FG 2-4 3FG
Sperms: 3-9 FG 0-5 3FG
NO: 1-9 FG 1-6 3FG
Sixers: 4-12 FG 0-1 3FG
Total: 13-53 FG 4-21 3FG

HORRIBLE ! We aren't getting any production at that 4 spot lately. And we can take it even back further. He's definitely a bench player and has been a disappointment to me. DMC was better for us and gave us effort. Should of given that contract to Joe Harris.


A five game slump isn't reason for panic.
It isn't just 5 games, he has been shooting in low 30s for the last 10 games, and his overall season efficiency has tanked hard...


Getting more talent back on the floor may help to simplify the game for him. I'm not going to give up on him over a rough patch of games. We need him to strictly focus on 3 + D

Honestly the fact that we have 16 wins with the injuries is a miracle in itself, which is why I'm not being too hard on anyone right now. This team has been carried by Spencer but when you start asking guys like Temple, Harris and Prince to do more their efficiency will suffer.

We absolutely need Irving and LeVert back.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#96 » by Born_Ready » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:43 am

Shark wrote:
Born_Ready wrote:It was Spencer all by himself tonight. There needs to be some accountability somewhere with such a putrid night from all starters. Ridiculous effort.

Side note, I've been on Randle bandwagon for awhile and was pimpin for the Nets to go after him before all the KI&KD stuff came to fruition. I just wish he played anywhere else but there. I don't like to cheer against him. That's my dawg (Chris Tucker voice).

His jumper has really come a long way. Surprisingly smooth. Just shocked that he didn't have more takers in the market last offseason.


I was shocked by the non interest in him as well. I just felt like inside the Nets could have used in the paint, and can hit shots just about anywhere on the floor, and would be a matchup problem for many teams.

His jumper has come eons since his days at UK. I felt like he could truly develop and prosper under a coach like Kenny, but he didn't get a sniff due to the higher prized free agents that were available.

The Nets stink right now. A player like Randle sure would help. He is way more productive of a player than the likes of Wilson Chandler. I understand if they went after Randle there might not be a Kyrie or KD on the roster. We just have to be patient and hope everything works out when everyone is 100% healthy.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#97 » by JBreezeNY » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:13 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:We want Kadeem

We want Kadeem

We want Kadeem

Congrats on an 8th win. Good luck on a another 20 win season!

Nico Mannion is going to look tremendous on the Knicks as the 8th pick.


Report him like I did. We can't go on their board talking **** so let's make sure they can't come on here and do it.

That’s not nice...lol
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#98 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:18 am

DarkXaero wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Levert has yet to have an efficient scoring NBA season, and he has a tendency to be bad when he comes back from a long layoff. So yeah, I'd temper expectations on his return. Sure, his ability is much greater than anyone on the bench, but it doesn't mean he can help us with that level of responsibility right away.


Its not like Dinwiddie has been very efficient either.

And this is a thumb injury. Its way easier to come back from.
Except Dinwiddie has been efficient...

Even a bad game like tonight, still had 25 pts on 15 shots.


43% from the field and 30% from 3 is not efficient bro.

Levert is 42 and 36.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#99 » by DarkXaero » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:21 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Its not like Dinwiddie has been very efficient either.

And this is a thumb injury. Its way easier to come back from.
Except Dinwiddie has been efficient...

Even a bad game like tonight, still had 25 pts on 15 shots.


43% from the field and 30% from 3 is not efficient bro.

Levert is 42 and 36.
lol who uses raw shooting % data anymore? It's about TS%, because it takes into account the fact of a player getting to the FT line. It's why Harden's efficiency is elite tier, and why Dinwiddie is ahead of Levert.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs Nets - Thursday, 12/26/19 | 7:30pm EST 

Post#100 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:37 am

DarkXaero wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Except Dinwiddie has been efficient...

Even a bad game like tonight, still had 25 pts on 15 shots.


43% from the field and 30% from 3 is not efficient bro.

Levert is 42 and 36.
lol who uses raw shooting % data anymore? It's about TS%, because it takes into account the fact of a player getting to the FT line. It's why Harden's efficiency is elite tier, and why Dinwiddie is ahead of Levert.


Lol so Spencer has a marginally better TS. Is that supposed to be a big deal?

Neither player is particularly efficient.

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