GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns

[MrDollarBills]

I mean, we’re up 30+ points, there’s nothing worth complaining about, but Spencer is literally one of the worst 3pt shooters in the league, his constant pull ups from 3 just make me cringe every time, because it’s pretty much always a brick.

At least it’s a confirmation that he shouldn’t be the starting PG for a team that has true aspirations for contending.

IMO, he’s a worse shooting, more streaky, better attacking version fo Lou Williams. And like Williams, he’s best suited as a 6th man coming off the bench.

If Caris doesn’t develop into a better shooter, I’d like to see the Nets draft or acquire a player with a similar build to Caris but with better shooting ability.

Next season, I’d like to have Dinwiddie and Spencer come off the bench, and pair Kyrie and KD with 3 and/or D specialists in the starting lineup alongside Jarrett Allen.

We'll presumably add another good player with the exception, but I think we are good with what we have now once we add KD. Prince will go to the bench which makes our bench even stronger.

[DarkXaero]

I mean, we’re up 30+ points, there’s nothing worth complaining about, but Spencer is literally one of the worst 3pt shooters in the league, his constant pull ups from 3 just make me cringe every time, because it’s pretty much always a brick.

At least it’s a confirmation that he shouldn’t be the starting PG for a team that has true aspirations for contending.

IMO, he’s a worse shooting, more streaky, better attacking version fo Lou Williams. And like Williams, he’s best suited as a 6th man coming off the bench.

If Caris doesn’t develop into a better shooter, I’d like to see the Nets draft or acquire a player with a similar build to Caris but with better shooting ability.

Next season, I’d like to have Dinwiddie and Spencer come off the bench, and pair Kyrie and KD with 3 and/or D specialists in the starting lineup alongside Jarrett Allen.

Very much disagree with this. The only similarity between Lou Williams and Spencer Dinwiddie is that they've both been 6th men, majority of their careers. But Dinwiddie is much younger, and has a significantly different game. Lou Williams is also worse defensively, while Dinwiddie can hold his own. You say that Dinwiddie can't be the starting PG for a team with true aspirations of contending, which I don't see any evidence of. Dinwiddie can currently start on a bunch of contenders (Lakers, Clippers at least), and he can be the starting PG for quite a few teams.

Dinwiddie averaged 25 & 7 on decent efficiency, in absence of Kyrie, while being surrounded by no decent scoring options. And no, that doesn't make things easier, its hard to average that on decent efficiency, surrounded by role players, and to lead your team to a .500 record.

[therealbig3]

Spencer is an excellent player and could certainly start for a contender...I just don’t like how many 3s he takes (and they’re not exactly great looks either) for a guy that shoots less than 30% on them. This game is whatever, we’re destroying them, but throughout the season, he keeps taking these pull up bombs from 3 that he must shoot like 10% on for the season.

[DarkXaero]

Levert's consistency remains a concern. Started 3/6 from the field, ending on 4/14 shooting.

[Papi_swav]

Dammit I fell asleep in the 2nd quarter smh ... Without Trae Young this Hawks team is the worst in the league so I wouldn't get my hopes up too high just yet but it's encouraging to see. Kyrie with a easy 21 points in 20 minutes. He looks great now, I thought he was pretty much done for the season but I'm ecstatic to have him back so we can make this playoff push.

[NyCeEvO]

I mean, we’re up 30+ points, there’s nothing worth complaining about, but Spencer is literally one of the worst 3pt shooters in the league, his constant pull ups from 3 just make me cringe every time, because it’s pretty much always a brick.

At least it’s a confirmation that he shouldn’t be the starting PG for a team that has true aspirations for contending.

IMO, he’s a worse shooting, more streaky, better attacking version fo Lou Williams. And like Williams, he’s best suited as a 6th man coming off the bench.

If Caris doesn’t develop into a better shooter, I’d like to see the Nets draft or acquire a player with a similar build to Caris but with better shooting ability.

Next season, I’d like to have Dinwiddie and Spencer come off the bench, and pair Kyrie and KD with 3 and/or D specialists in the starting lineup alongside Jarrett Allen.

We'll presumably add another good player with the exception, but I think we are good with what we have now once we add KD. Prince will go to the bench which makes our bench even stronger.

I’m talking about more about fit than just talent.

I’m not saying that Dinwiddie or Levert aren’t good players, but I am saying that they are more floor raisers than ceiling raisers.

Kyrie is basically markedly better than everything that Spencer is and isn’t worse than Spencer at anything either. I’d rather have the 2-guard either bring other skills to the floor that Kyrie doesn’t have (like, aggressive, on-ball defense) or pair Kyrie with another great 3pt shooter (e.g. Joe Harris).

[MrDollarBills]

Lol @ Spencer putting Theo in the sleeper. Kenny was like WTF!??

[Rich Rane]

Kenny during that Pinson choke.

[LOUiS-D]

ky being a bad influence on din, encouraging him to choke out pinson our glue guy. what a cancer.

[Rich Rane]

Let VC dunk!

[GTR11]

Did you see VC for 3!!! Oh man those days were fun.

[GTR11]

Retire that man's jersey.

[Papi_swav]

Spencer is an excellent player and could certainly start for a contender...I just don’t like how many 3s he takes (and they’re not exactly great looks either) for a guy that shoots less than 30% on them. This game is whatever, we’re destroying them, but throughout the season, he keeps taking these pull up bombs from 3 that he must shoot like 10% on for the season.

This is exactly why his shooting %'s are so bad. If he didn't take any of those uncalled for pull up 3s then he will probably be around 34%ish from 3. He's definitely not as bad of a 3 pt shooter as his % says, and us Nets fans knows this. He's won us some good games with his 3 pt shooting. But yea he needs to cut those all the way out, unless there's 3 seconds on the shot clock.

[MrDollarBills]

At least it’s a confirmation that he shouldn’t be the starting PG for a team that has true aspirations for contending.

IMO, he’s a worse shooting, more streaky, better attacking version fo Lou Williams. And like Williams, he’s best suited as a 6th man coming off the bench.

If Caris doesn’t develop into a better shooter, I’d like to see the Nets draft or acquire a player with a similar build to Caris but with better shooting ability.

Next season, I’d like to have Dinwiddie and Spencer come off the bench, and pair Kyrie and KD with 3 and/or D specialists in the starting lineup alongside Jarrett Allen.

We'll presumably add another good player with the exception, but I think we are good with what we have now once we add KD. Prince will go to the bench which makes our bench even stronger.

I’m talking about more about fit than just talent.

I’m not saying that Dinwiddie or Levert aren’t good players, but I am saying that they are more floor raisers than ceiling raisers.

Kyrie is basically markedly better than everything that Spencer is and isn’t worse than Spencer at anything either. I’d rather have the 2-guard either bring other skills to the floor that Kyrie doesn’t have (like, aggressive, on-ball defense) or pair Kyrie with another great 3pt shooter (e.g. Joe Harris).

Got to look at what we can get via free agent for the exception I figure. Not sure what could be had via trade.

[NyCeEvO]

I mean, we’re up 30+ points, there’s nothing worth complaining about, but Spencer is literally one of the worst 3pt shooters in the league, his constant pull ups from 3 just make me cringe every time, because it’s pretty much always a brick.

At least it’s a confirmation that he shouldn’t be the starting PG for a team that has true aspirations for contending.

IMO, he’s a worse shooting, more streaky, better attacking version fo Lou Williams. And like Williams, he’s best suited as a 6th man coming off the bench.

If Caris doesn’t develop into a better shooter, I’d like to see the Nets draft or acquire a player with a similar build to Caris but with better shooting ability.

Next season, I’d like to have Dinwiddie and Spencer come off the bench, and pair Kyrie and KD with 3 and/or D specialists in the starting lineup alongside Jarrett Allen.

Very much disagree with this. The only similarity between Lou Williams and Spencer Dinwiddie is that they've both been 6th men, majority of their careers. But Dinwiddie is much younger, and has a significantly different game. Lou Williams is also worse defensively, while Dinwiddie can hold his own. You say that Dinwiddie can't be the starting PG for a team with true aspirations of contending, which I don't see any evidence of. Dinwiddie can currently start on a bunch of contenders (Lakers, Clippers at least), and he can be the starting PG for quite a few teams.

Dinwiddie averaged 25 & 7 on decent efficiency, in absence of Kyrie, while being surrounded by no decent scoring options. And no, that doesn't make things easier, its hard to average that on decent efficiency, surrounded by role players, and to lead your team to a .500 record.

[I’m not going to go much deeper than this in this thread because we should be celebrating a blowout more so than nitpicking our players.]

The intention of my post was to suggest that Dinwiddie cannot be a top option on a contending team, like Kyrie has been. Of course, Dinwiddie could be a good player on a good team and succeed alongside the best players in the league. But I don’t think he’s good enough to be the #2 or #3 option and carry a team against great competition in the playoffs.

What he did with almost no one of talent next to him doesn’t negate my belief that he’s much more of a floor raiser than ceiling raiser.

[Papi_swav]

I mean, we’re up 30+ points, there’s nothing worth complaining about, but Spencer is literally one of the worst 3pt shooters in the league, his constant pull ups from 3 just make me cringe every time, because it’s pretty much always a brick.

At least it’s a confirmation that he shouldn’t be the starting PG for a team that has true aspirations for contending.

IMO, he’s a worse shooting, more streaky, better attacking version fo Lou Williams. And like Williams, he’s best suited as a 6th man coming off the bench.

If Caris doesn’t develop into a better shooter, I’d like to see the Nets draft or acquire a player with a similar build to Caris but with better shooting ability.

Next season, I’d like to have Dinwiddie and Spencer come off the bench, and pair Kyrie and KD with 3 and/or D specialists in the starting lineup alongside Jarrett Allen.

Disagree with all of this. Din can definitely start for contenders and can probably start for half the teams in the league and will definitely make those teams better instantly. Some Sixer fans would rather Din be their point guard than Simmons. Lou is a flat out scorer but Din can really lead a team.

I don't mind Din and Spencer coming off the bench. I think getting a wing 3&D guy would be best to play along side KD. I thought Prince would of been that guy but he isn't. Joe will start with Kyrie and KD, KD will play the 4 though so I think we should look into small forward guys with size. A 6"8 guy that can do the dirty work on defense so KD can just score on offense.

[MrDollarBills]

Classy Barclays crowd giving VC a standing O, and the PA shouting him out.

His number should be retired. Without question

[LOUiS-D]

Spencer is an excellent player and could certainly start for a contender...I just don’t like how many 3s he takes (and they’re not exactly great looks either) for a guy that shoots less than 30% on them. This game is whatever, we’re destroying them, but throughout the season, he keeps taking these pull up bombs from 3 that he must shoot like 10% on for the season.

This is exactly why his shooting %'s are so bad. If he didn't take any of those uncalled for pull up 3s then he will probably be around 34%ish from 3. He's definitely not as bad of a 3 pt shooter as his % says, and us Nets fans knows this. He's won us some good games with his 3 pt shooting. But yea he needs to cut those all the way out, unless there's 3 seconds on the shot clock.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shooting.fcgi?player_id=dinwisp01&year_id=2020&shot_distance=3P

Looks like it's been a down year from pretty much everywhere outside. 18.5% from 3 in the 4th. Gross!

[DarkXaero]

Very nice reception for Vince tonight.

[Rich Rane]

Should've let him dunk.