Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:38 pm
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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:The goal should be to get Jrue Holiday without giving up Dinwiddie.
At this point Dinwiddie is clearly the 3rd best player on the team. He is extremely impactful on the offensive end when you look at his advanced stats.
I think it might be time to pull the trigger on a LeVert trade. If he has another underwhelming season it’ll be impossible to convince teams that he’s a young player with star potential at 26 years old.
LeVert, Allen and a 1st for Jrue is what the Nets should be pursuing.
Then maybe something like Prince, Kurucs and 2 1sts for Gordon.
TheNetsFan wrote:TheBrooklynKidd wrote:The goal should be to get Jrue Holiday without giving up Dinwiddie.
At this point Dinwiddie is clearly the 3rd best player on the team. He is extremely impactful on the offensive end when you look at his advanced stats.
I think it might be time to pull the trigger on a LeVert trade. If he has another underwhelming season it’ll be impossible to convince teams that he’s a young player with star potential at 26 years old.
LeVert, Allen and a 1st for Jrue is what the Nets should be pursuing.
Then maybe something like Prince, Kurucs and 2 1sts for Gordon.
You need two of Dinwiddie/Prince/LeVert in a Jrue deal to match salaries.
I'd deal Dinwiddie instead of LeVert. With Jrue, we don't need a 3rd PG of Dinwiddie's caliber. I'd rather keep the young wing that is locked under contract.
Lavine is a far superior off ball player to Levert, who has yet to show that he can play well without the ball. Lavine put up 19 PPG on 57.6% TS%, with a very low usage rate of 21.7%. He did this in his 3rd year in the NBA when he was playing next to KAT, and he has gotten much better since then. That season as a 3rd year player is also better than any of Levert's seasons. Sure, Lavine is a **** defender, but he has also only been in **** situations, and with the right coaching & focus, Lavine has tools to become a plus defender in the NBA. It's not like Levert is a good defender himself.ecuhus1981 wrote:Zach is not an upgrade over Caris, in the areas we need from a 3rd star.
Next to Kevin and Kyrie, you ideally want low-usage guys who can defend and do the dirty work. Levert is no junkyard dog, but he's miles ahead of Lavine with defense and intangibles. Zach gets a solid amount of steals because he gambles for them, and compromises team defense in the process. Zach is a superior spot-up shooter, and his usage rate isn't quite as high as ISO-Joe 2.0, but I'd still rather have our homegrown guy.
ecuhus1981 wrote:Zach is not an upgrade over Caris, in the areas we need from a 3rd star.
Next to Kevin and Kyrie, you ideally want low-usage guys who can defend and do the dirty work. Levert is no junkyard dog, but he's miles ahead of Lavine with defense and intangibles. Zach gets a solid amount of steals because he gambles for them, and compromises team defense in the process. Zach is a superior spot-up shooter, and his usage rate isn't quite as high as ISO-Joe 2.0, but I'd still rather have our homegrown guy.
GTR11 wrote:
Only thing I'm interested in here... drive that price up so nix do duh nix stuff. If they'll lose Mitch in that trade that thread will be gold
GTR11 wrote:Agreed, that bum is definition of trash when it comes to playing defense. Wolves canned his azz so fast without even thinking for a good reason. I'm not saying Zack can't play. But on this team he ain't got business here.
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:The goal should be to get Jrue Holiday without giving up Dinwiddie.
At this point Dinwiddie is clearly the 3rd best player on the team. He is extremely impactful on the offensive end when you look at his advanced stats.
I think it might be time to pull the trigger on a LeVert trade. If he has another underwhelming season it’ll be impossible to convince teams that he’s a young player with star potential at 26 years old.
LeVert, Allen and a 1st for Jrue is what the Nets should be pursuing.
Then maybe something like Prince, Kurucs and 2 1sts for Gordon.
ecuhus1981 wrote:Zach is not an upgrade over Caris, in the areas we need from a 3rd star.
Next to Kevin and Kyrie, you ideally want low-usage guys who can defend and do the dirty work. Levert is no junkyard dog, but he's miles ahead of Lavine with defense and intangibles. Zach gets a solid amount of steals because he gambles for them, and compromises team defense in the process. Zach is a superior spot-up shooter, and his usage rate isn't quite as high as ISO-Joe 2.0, but I'd still rather have our homegrown guy.
If Lavine is a high volume scorer who can't do much else, what does that make Levert?Hello Brooklyn wrote:ecuhus1981 wrote:Zach is not an upgrade over Caris, in the areas we need from a 3rd star.
Next to Kevin and Kyrie, you ideally want low-usage guys who can defend and do the dirty work. Levert is no junkyard dog, but he's miles ahead of Lavine with defense and intangibles. Zach gets a solid amount of steals because he gambles for them, and compromises team defense in the process. Zach is a superior spot-up shooter, and his usage rate isn't quite as high as ISO-Joe 2.0, but I'd still rather have our homegrown guy.
I would take LeVert over Lavine straight up.
Hes a high volume scorer who can't do much else.
My priority is keeping Harris and adding a stretch 4. I used to say Gordon but I think the money won't work. Maybe Ibaka since he is close with KD.
Kyire
LeVert
KD
Ibaka
Jordan
Harris & Dinwiddie off the bench
That's a Championship level team straight up.
DarkXaero wrote:If Lavine is a high volume scorer who can't do much else, what does that make Levert?Hello Brooklyn wrote:ecuhus1981 wrote:Zach is not an upgrade over Caris, in the areas we need from a 3rd star.
Next to Kevin and Kyrie, you ideally want low-usage guys who can defend and do the dirty work. Levert is no junkyard dog, but he's miles ahead of Lavine with defense and intangibles. Zach gets a solid amount of steals because he gambles for them, and compromises team defense in the process. Zach is a superior spot-up shooter, and his usage rate isn't quite as high as ISO-Joe 2.0, but I'd still rather have our homegrown guy.
I would take LeVert over Lavine straight up.
Hes a high volume scorer who can't do much else.
My priority is keeping Harris and adding a stretch 4. I used to say Gordon but I think the money won't work. Maybe Ibaka since he is close with KD.
Kyire
LeVert
KD
Ibaka
Jordan
Harris & Dinwiddie off the bench
That's a Championship level team straight up.
That's statistically false. Levert is better as a playmaker and defender than Lavine, but not significantly better. They're ultimately both bad defenders.Paradise wrote:DarkXaero wrote:If Lavine is a high volume scorer who can't do much else, what does that make Levert?Hello Brooklyn wrote:
I would take LeVert over Lavine straight up.
Hes a high volume scorer who can't do much else.
My priority is keeping Harris and adding a stretch 4. I used to say Gordon but I think the money won't work. Maybe Ibaka since he is close with KD.
Kyire
LeVert
KD
Ibaka
Jordan
Harris & Dinwiddie off the bench
That's a Championship level team straight up.
Wait, what?
LeVert is a significantly better defender and passer than LaVine.
I don't think being KD's friend matters. Dinwiddie is also friends with Kyrie by that criteria. Dinwiddie didn't fade, he mostly just adjusted depending on who he was playing with. In December, when Dinwiddie was the main man, he averaged 27/7 in 34 MPG, 53.5% TS%, 35% usage rate. In the last month before lockdown, Dinwiddie was averaging 17/6 in 29 MPG, 56% TS%, only 26% usage rate. The numbers could be better but he was still playing fine on much lower usage and lower minutes.Claud wrote:Caris if a FOK, so I highly doubt he's traded unless it's for another FOK.
Not to mention he's under contract unlike Dinwiddie who WILL test free agency.
If we are making a trade, I have a feeling it will be DInwiddie + pieces.
Dinwiddie started the season strong then faded, while Caris was the opposite although he did deal with injuries.
Caris was playing out of his mind before the lockdown in March. Triple doubles, 50pt at the Boston garden, etc.
Personally I think in terms of production Dinwiddie has been slightly more consistent plus less injury prone than Caris.
With that said, they both possess allstar level talent. Lavine is on the same boat. He is not a CLEAR upgrade in mind.
I still want wait to see KD + Kyrie with our core before we start making any moves unless it's an obvious one.
DarkXaero wrote:That's statistically false. Levert is better as a playmaker and defender than Lavine, but not significantly better. They're ultimately both bad defenders.Paradise wrote:DarkXaero wrote:If Lavine is a high volume scorer who can't do much else, what does that make Levert?
Wait, what?
LeVert is a significantly better defender and passer than LaVine.
In the end, calling Lavine a "high volume scorer", when the guy is averaging 25.5 PPG on above average efficiency, despite the dumpster fire around him, and with high level 3pt shooting, it's disingenuous. Levert is averaging 18 PPG on well below average efficiency. You can't just dismiss that easily.