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GTR11 wrote:Rich Rane wrote:I can't say enough how proud I am of the bubble bunch. That said...LeVert, Allen, Harris, Kurucs. Temple...imagine if these guys didn't have such slow starts?
Talking about impressive. I get the fact they don't have enough data and they didn't get up for us but still.
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DarkXaero wrote:I don't know why there is the need to feel insecure every time levert plays well. We all want to see him play, I loved what I saw last night and gave him the credit. That being said, the argument to trade him is still 100% valid and last night did nothing to change that.Hello Brooklyn wrote:Hey guys, so are we done with the LeVert slander yet?
He's been carrying us all bubble and Zack Lowe just wrote an article which included a section about his improving efficiency this season.
He will be our third star next season. There is no great argument for trading him.
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NetsJets wrote:Allen is our starting center. If DJ isn’t on board with that then we must trade him...
Hello Brooklyn wrote:NetsJets wrote:Allen is our starting center. If DJ isn’t on board with that then we must trade him...
Nobody will want Jordan's contract.
I never even wanted DJ here. The only reason he came is because Kyrie/KD wanted him as part of the package.
I would way rather just start Allen and work on Claxton being our backup.
Its really a dumb problem created by Kyrie/KD.
MrDollarBills wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:NetsJets wrote:Allen is our starting center. If DJ isn’t on board with that then we must trade him...
Nobody will want Jordan's contract.
I never even wanted DJ here. The only reason he came is because Kyrie/KD wanted him as part of the package.
I would way rather just start Allen and work on Claxton being our backup.
Its really a dumb problem created by Kyrie/KD.
I think the whole politics of this situation needs to be thrown in the trash. If Allen is playing at this level or better next season, he's markedly better than DeAndre Jordan.
This is so ridiculously premature, its hilarious. The argument against Levert isn't just his below average efficiency (a hot stretch or few good games don't change the overall numbers). It's also the fact that he only plays well when he's the main guy on the team, and requires high usage to do well. Last night did nothing to dissuade that notion. He can keep playing like an all star the rest of the bubble and his fit on a team with KD & Kyrie (along Dinwiddie) will still remain a big question mark.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:I don't know why there is the need to feel insecure every time levert plays well. We all want to see him play, I loved what I saw last night and gave him the credit. That being said, the argument to trade him is still 100% valid and last night did nothing to change that.Hello Brooklyn wrote:Hey guys, so are we done with the LeVert slander yet?
He's been carrying us all bubble and Zack Lowe just wrote an article which included a section about his improving efficiency this season.
He will be our third star next season. There is no great argument for trading him.
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Yes it did. Your guys's entire argument about trading LeVert was centered around him being a below average efficiency player.
I pointed out numerous times that those states were a fallacy because of his injuries.
Now Zach Lowe has SPECIFICALLY mentioned LeVerts improving efficiency in his 10 things I like column. And LeVert has lead us to several big wins, as our clear best player.
If LeVert can be an average efficiency player at a high volume then why would we even consider trading him for the likes of Lavine or Holiday? Makes no sense at all.
DarkXaero wrote:This is so ridiculously knee jerk, its hilarious. The argument against Levert isn't just his below average efficiency (a hot stretch or few good games don't change the overall numbers). It's also the fact that he only plays well when he's the main guy on the team, and requires high usage to do well. Last night did nothing to dissuade that notion. He can keep playing like an all star the rest of the bubble and his fit on a team with KD & Kyrie (along Dinwiddie) will still remain a big question mark.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:I don't know why there is the need to feel insecure every time levert plays well. We all want to see him play, I loved what I saw last night and gave him the credit. That being said, the argument to trade him is still 100% valid and last night did nothing to change that.
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Yes it did. Your guys's entire argument about trading LeVert was centered around him being a below average efficiency player.
I pointed out numerous times that those states were a fallacy because of his injuries.
Now Zach Lowe has SPECIFICALLY mentioned LeVerts improving efficiency in his 10 things I like column. And LeVert has lead us to several big wins, as our clear best player.
If LeVert can be an average efficiency player at a high volume then why would we even consider trading him for the likes of Lavine or Holiday? Makes no sense at all.
Again, it's nothing to take away from his performance last night, which was awesome, and very Luka esque imo.
Again, Levert has been well below average efficiency for his last 3 seasons, that's the undeniable fact. So if you're gonna make that excuse for him, it means that he hasn't been healthy his entire NBA career. Since you're bringing up Lowe's article including Levert, you conveniently don't want to mention that Lowe talks about how Levert needs to be better off ball to be part of this team next season. Lowe specifically says that Levert shoots a dreadful 31% on catch & shoot 3s and has been bad at that most of his career, and needs to improve drastically there.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:This is so ridiculously knee jerk, its hilarious. The argument against Levert isn't just his below average efficiency (a hot stretch or few good games don't change the overall numbers). It's also the fact that he only plays well when he's the main guy on the team, and requires high usage to do well. Last night did nothing to dissuade that notion. He can keep playing like an all star the rest of the bubble and his fit on a team with KD & Kyrie (along Dinwiddie) will still remain a big question mark.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Yes it did. Your guys's entire argument about trading LeVert was centered around him being a below average efficiency player.
I pointed out numerous times that those states were a fallacy because of his injuries.
Now Zach Lowe has SPECIFICALLY mentioned LeVerts improving efficiency in his 10 things I like column. And LeVert has lead us to several big wins, as our clear best player.
If LeVert can be an average efficiency player at a high volume then why would we even consider trading him for the likes of Lavine or Holiday? Makes no sense at all.
Again, it's nothing to take away from his performance last night, which was awesome, and very Luka esque imo.
When LeVert has been healthy he has not been a "below efficiency" player and he has lead us to a winning record.
Those are both undeniable facts.
He's only done it as the "guy" because hes only had the chance to do it as the guy. You're basically saying he can't do it with KD or Kyrie when he hasn't even had the chance to play with either.
Pretty dumb argument. How do I know Lavine could do it if he wasn't "the guy"?
Hello Brooklyn wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Nobody will want Jordan's contract.
I never even wanted DJ here. The only reason he came is because Kyrie/KD wanted him as part of the package.
I would way rather just start Allen and work on Claxton being our backup.
Its really a dumb problem created by Kyrie/KD.
I think the whole politics of this situation needs to be thrown in the trash. If Allen is playing at this level or better next season, he's markedly better than DeAndre Jordan.
Our number #1 priority is keeping KD & Kyrie happy. It is what it is.
They want Jordan.
MrDollarBills wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
I think the whole politics of this situation needs to be thrown in the trash. If Allen is playing at this level or better next season, he's markedly better than DeAndre Jordan.
Our number #1 priority is keeping KD & Kyrie happy. It is what it is.
They want Jordan.
Jordan needs to check his ego. If Allen keeps this up there's no justification for him coming off of the bench.
DarkXaero wrote:Again, Levert has been well below average efficiency for his last 3 seasons, that's the undeniable fact. So if you're gonna make that excuse for him, it means that he hasn't been healthy his entire NBA career. Since you're bringing up Lowe's article including Levert, you conveniently don't want to mention that Lowe talks about how Levert needs to be better off ball to be part of this team next season. Lowe specifically says that Levert shoots a dreadful 31% on catch & shoot 3s and has been bad at that most of his career, and needs to improve drastically there.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:This is so ridiculously knee jerk, its hilarious. The argument against Levert isn't just his below average efficiency (a hot stretch or few good games don't change the overall numbers). It's also the fact that he only plays well when he's the main guy on the team, and requires high usage to do well. Last night did nothing to dissuade that notion. He can keep playing like an all star the rest of the bubble and his fit on a team with KD & Kyrie (along Dinwiddie) will still remain a big question mark.
Again, it's nothing to take away from his performance last night, which was awesome, and very Luka esque imo.
When LeVert has been healthy he has not been a "below efficiency" player and he has lead us to a winning record.
Those are both undeniable facts.
He's only done it as the "guy" because hes only had the chance to do it as the guy. You're basically saying he can't do it with KD or Kyrie when he hasn't even had the chance to play with either.
Pretty dumb argument. How do I know Lavine could do it if he wasn't "the guy"?
Lavine has far superior catch & shoot numbers, and he averaged 19 points per game as a third year player in Minnesota, on low usage (21.7%). The guy knows how to play off ball, and he is really good at it. That's why that case has been made, and why the argument is still legitimate. I personally think that Levert is best suited to be the #1 or #2 guy on a rebuilding or up & coming young team. It's not to knock what Levert can do, the big concern is about how he fits here next to two superstars.
DarkXaero wrote:Again, Levert has been well below average efficiency for his last 3 seasons, that's the undeniable fact. So if you're gonna make that excuse for him, it means that he hasn't been healthy his entire NBA career. Since you're bringing up Lowe's article including Levert, you conveniently don't want to mention that Lowe talks about how Levert needs to be better off ball to be part of this team next season. Lowe specifically says that Levert shoots a dreadful 31% on catch & shoot 3s and has been bad at that most of his career, and needs to improve drastically there.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:This is so ridiculously knee jerk, its hilarious. The argument against Levert isn't just his below average efficiency (a hot stretch or few good games don't change the overall numbers). It's also the fact that he only plays well when he's the main guy on the team, and requires high usage to do well. Last night did nothing to dissuade that notion. He can keep playing like an all star the rest of the bubble and his fit on a team with KD & Kyrie (along Dinwiddie) will still remain a big question mark.
Again, it's nothing to take away from his performance last night, which was awesome, and very Luka esque imo.
When LeVert has been healthy he has not been a "below efficiency" player and he has lead us to a winning record.
Those are both undeniable facts.
He's only done it as the "guy" because hes only had the chance to do it as the guy. You're basically saying he can't do it with KD or Kyrie when he hasn't even had the chance to play with either.
Pretty dumb argument. How do I know Lavine could do it if he wasn't "the guy"?
Lavine has far superior catch & shoot numbers, and he averaged 19 points per game as a third year player in Minnesota, on low usage (21.7%). The guy knows how to play off ball, and he is really good at it. That's why that case has been made, and why the argument is still legitimate. I personally think that Levert is best suited to be the #1 or #2 guy on a rebuilding or up & coming young team. It's not to knock what Levert can do, the big concern is about how he fits here next to two superstars.
Do you realize how **** of an excuse it is that Levert has been "injured" so he couldn't play well? This isn't a short stretch in a season where you can excuse it, its his 4 seasons here. It's one of weakest/worst excuses I've seen to defend a soon-to-be 26 year old player who has often underperformed.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Again, Levert has been well below average efficiency for his last 3 seasons, that's the undeniable fact. So if you're gonna make that excuse for him, it means that he hasn't been healthy his entire NBA career. Since you're bringing up Lowe's article including Levert, you conveniently don't want to mention that Lowe talks about how Levert needs to be better off ball to be part of this team next season. Lowe specifically says that Levert shoots a dreadful 31% on catch & shoot 3s and has been bad at that most of his career, and needs to improve drastically there.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
When LeVert has been healthy he has not been a "below efficiency" player and he has lead us to a winning record.
Those are both undeniable facts.
He's only done it as the "guy" because hes only had the chance to do it as the guy. You're basically saying he can't do it with KD or Kyrie when he hasn't even had the chance to play with either.
Pretty dumb argument. How do I know Lavine could do it if he wasn't "the guy"?
Lavine has far superior catch & shoot numbers, and he averaged 19 points per game as a third year player in Minnesota, on low usage (21.7%). The guy knows how to play off ball, and he is really good at it. That's why that case has been made, and why the argument is still legitimate. I personally think that Levert is best suited to be the #1 or #2 guy on a rebuilding or up & coming young team. It's not to knock what Levert can do, the big concern is about how he fits here next to two superstars.
LeVert has had injuries that last 2 years which have made his stats look a lot worse than they are.
Very few if any players are efficient their first 2 years.
I understand LeVert has had an odd career trajectory. But your basically inability to understand the uselessness of "season stats" when a player is injured is confounding.
It basically renders this discussion with you useless. You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance.
DarkXaero wrote:Do you realize how **** of an excuse it is that Levert has been "injured" so he couldn't play well? This isn't a short stretch in a season where you can excuse it, its his 4 seasons here. It's one of weakest/worst excuses I've seen to defend a soon-to-be 26 year old player who has often underperformed.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Again, Levert has been well below average efficiency for his last 3 seasons, that's the undeniable fact. So if you're gonna make that excuse for him, it means that he hasn't been healthy his entire NBA career. Since you're bringing up Lowe's article including Levert, you conveniently don't want to mention that Lowe talks about how Levert needs to be better off ball to be part of this team next season. Lowe specifically says that Levert shoots a dreadful 31% on catch & shoot 3s and has been bad at that most of his career, and needs to improve drastically there.
Lavine has far superior catch & shoot numbers, and he averaged 19 points per game as a third year player in Minnesota, on low usage (21.7%). The guy knows how to play off ball, and he is really good at it. That's why that case has been made, and why the argument is still legitimate. I personally think that Levert is best suited to be the #1 or #2 guy on a rebuilding or up & coming young team. It's not to knock what Levert can do, the big concern is about how he fits here next to two superstars.
LeVert has had injuries that last 2 years which have made his stats look a lot worse than they are.
Very few if any players are efficient their first 2 years.
I understand LeVert has had an odd career trajectory. But your basically inability to understand the uselessness of "season stats" when a player is injured is confounding.
It basically renders this discussion with you useless. You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance.
"You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance"-Rich coming from the guy who is blinded by blatant fanboyism
Steph Curry is a multiple time MVP, one of the all time great players, and has a proven body of work, how are you gonna bring him up (5 game sample size) as an analogy?Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Do you realize how **** of an excuse it is that Levert has been "injured" so he couldn't play well? This isn't a short stretch in a season where you can excuse it, its his 4 seasons here. It's one of weakest/worst excuses I've seen to defend a soon-to-be 26 year old player who has often underperformed.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
LeVert has had injuries that last 2 years which have made his stats look a lot worse than they are.
Very few if any players are efficient their first 2 years.
I understand LeVert has had an odd career trajectory. But your basically inability to understand the uselessness of "season stats" when a player is injured is confounding.
It basically renders this discussion with you useless. You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance.
"You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance"-Rich coming from the guy who is blinded by blatant fanboyism
LOL. Injuries never affect season stats!
Look at Steph Curry's stats from this season. He must be absolutely terrible.
When LeVert is healthy he plays like a borderline All Star. This bubble has only further proven what everyone with any objectivity knows.
Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Do you realize how **** of an excuse it is that Levert has been "injured" so he couldn't play well? This isn't a short stretch in a season where you can excuse it, its his 4 seasons here. It's one of weakest/worst excuses I've seen to defend a soon-to-be 26 year old player who has often underperformed.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
LeVert has had injuries that last 2 years which have made his stats look a lot worse than they are.
Very few if any players are efficient their first 2 years.
I understand LeVert has had an odd career trajectory. But your basically inability to understand the uselessness of "season stats" when a player is injured is confounding.
It basically renders this discussion with you useless. You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance.
"You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance"-Rich coming from the guy who is blinded by blatant fanboyism
LOL. Injuries never affect season stats!
Look at Steph Curry's stats from this season. He must be absolutely terrible.
When LeVert is healthy he plays like a borderline All Star. This bubble has only further proven what everyone with any objectivity knows.
DarkXaero wrote:Do you realize how **** of an excuse it is that Levert has been "injured" so he couldn't play well? This isn't a short stretch in a season where you can excuse it, its his 4 seasons here. It's one of weakest/worst excuses I've seen to defend a soon-to-be 26 year old player who has often underperformed.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Again, Levert has been well below average efficiency for his last 3 seasons, that's the undeniable fact. So if you're gonna make that excuse for him, it means that he hasn't been healthy his entire NBA career. Since you're bringing up Lowe's article including Levert, you conveniently don't want to mention that Lowe talks about how Levert needs to be better off ball to be part of this team next season. Lowe specifically says that Levert shoots a dreadful 31% on catch & shoot 3s and has been bad at that most of his career, and needs to improve drastically there.
Lavine has far superior catch & shoot numbers, and he averaged 19 points per game as a third year player in Minnesota, on low usage (21.7%). The guy knows how to play off ball, and he is really good at it. That's why that case has been made, and why the argument is still legitimate. I personally think that Levert is best suited to be the #1 or #2 guy on a rebuilding or up & coming young team. It's not to knock what Levert can do, the big concern is about how he fits here next to two superstars.
LeVert has had injuries that last 2 years which have made his stats look a lot worse than they are.
Very few if any players are efficient their first 2 years.
I understand LeVert has had an odd career trajectory. But your basically inability to understand the uselessness of "season stats" when a player is injured is confounding.
It basically renders this discussion with you useless. You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance.
"You're unwilling/unable to apply any semblance of nuance"-Rich coming from the guy who is blinded by blatant fanboyism
