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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#261 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:05 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:If Klay's injury is really serious, do the Warriors think about moving Curry for a massive haul & push the reset button?


I think the Warriors would rather just try to make the playoffs and chase Giannis next off season.

Wiseman, Minny pick, 3 more GS picks, Wiggins contract is still the best value they can get.

Steph/Giannis/Klay next year would probably make them the favorites.


Chase him with what, the taxpayer mle? They are in cap hell with no chance of clearing space.


Didn't you read the next line? They can trade for him.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#262 » by Basileus777 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:12 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Basileus777 wrote:
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I think the Warriors would rather just try to make the playoffs and chase Giannis next off season.

Wiseman, Minny pick, 3 more GS picks, Wiggins contract is still the best value they can get.

Steph/Giannis/Klay next year would probably make them the favorites.


Chase him with what, the taxpayer mle? They are in cap hell with no chance of clearing space.


Didn't you read the next line? They can trade for him.

Bucks won't trade him while they are pursuing a title, and Golden State can't do a sign and trade because they will be over the apron. The Warriors essentially took themselves out of the Giannis hunt when they resigned Green and Klay.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#263 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:51 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Basileus777 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
I think the Warriors would rather just try to make the playoffs and chase Giannis next off season.

Wiseman, Minny pick, 3 more GS picks, Wiggins contract is still the best value they can get.

Steph/Giannis/Klay next year would probably make them the favorites.


Chase him with what, the taxpayer mle? They are in cap hell with no chance of clearing space.


Didn't you read the next line? They can trade for him.

What leverage would they have, and what could they offer that would entice the Bucks?
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#264 » by LOUiS-D » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:59 am

wiseman (~9M) + wiggins (27M) ~= harden (37M)

could be something to watch out for too.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#265 » by DarkXaero » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:01 am

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Post#266 » by stormi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:06 am

So y'all are pretty much out of the running / a fear-mongering source to squeeze better assets from other teams?
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Post#267 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:16 am

stormi wrote:So y'all are pretty much out of the running / a fear-mongering source to squeeze better assets from other teams? I think Fertitta would rather go bankrupt than trade James Harden for a package centered around Caris Levert


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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#268 » by DarkXaero » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:26 am

stormi wrote:So y'all are pretty much out of the running / a fear-mongering source to squeeze better assets from other teams? I think Fertitta would rather go bankrupt than trade James Harden for a package centered around Caris Levert
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#269 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:08 am

stormi wrote:So y'all are pretty much out of the running / a fear-mongering source to squeeze better assets from other teams? I think Fertitta would rather go bankrupt than trade James Harden for a package centered around Caris Levert


In reality, Fetitta would rather go bankrupt than trade him to Morey after he snaked him.

Your GM literally said he was stepping away to spend time with his family. And then 2 weeks later signing with the Sixers and prevented the Rockets from getting any compensation.

You think Fertitta wants to reward him James Harden?

Keep dreaming.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#270 » by stormi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
stormi wrote:So y'all are pretty much out of the running / a fear-mongering source to squeeze better assets from other teams? I think Fertitta would rather go bankrupt than trade James Harden for a package centered around Caris Levert


In reality, Fetitta would rather go bankrupt than trade him to Morey after he snaked him.

Your GM literally said he was stepping away to spend time with his family. And then 2 weeks later signing with the Sixers and prevented the Rockets from getting any compensation.

You think Fertitta wants to reward him James Harden?

Keep dreaming.


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His son indirectly confirmed what we've pretty much knew. the Houston Rockets are on their hands and knees for Ben Simmons (or Kyrie/KD), and (as per Shams) Morey isn't willing.

So we've been forced to hear these "Deal is 99.9% complete with the Brooklyn Nets!!!!" posture stories for the last little while.

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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#271 » by drchaos » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:01 pm

From what we know so far, Houston wants Ben Simmons but James Harden wants Brooklyn.

Does this come close to working for everyone?

Houston Gets:

Tobias Harris (PHI) $34,358,850
Ben Simmons (PHI) $30,559,220
Jarrett Allen (BRK) $3,909,902

Total In $68,827,972

James Harden (HOU) $41,254,520
Eric Gordon (HOU) $16,869,276
PJ Tucker (HOU) $7,969,537
David Nwaba (HOU) $1,862,250

Total Out $67,955,583

While Houston is giving up the best player in the deal they are getting a lot back in return. I think some first round picks should be going to them but not all that many.
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Brooklyn Gets:

James Harden (HOU) $41,254,520
David Nwaba (HOU) $1,862,250

Total $43,116,770 In

Caris Levert (BRK) $16,203,704
Taurean Prince (BRK) $12,250,000
Spencer Dinwiddie (BRK) $11,454,048
Jarrett Allen (BRK) $3,909,902

Total Out $43,817,654

Brooklyn gets what they want and is willing to throw in three first round picks.
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Chicago Gets:

Eric Gordon (HOU) $16,869,276
Taurean Prince (BRK) $12,250,000

Total In $29,119,276

Otto Porter (CHI) $28,489,238

Total Out $28,489,238

Porter is in the final year of his deal. In return they get two good players who are locked up for at least a couple years and a couple first round picks.
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Philly Gets:

Otto Porter (CHI) $28,489,238
Caris Levert (HOU) $16,203,704
Spencer Dinwiddie (BRK) $11,454,048
PJ Tucker (HOU) $7,969,537

Total In $64,116,527

Tobias Harris (PHI) $34,358,850
Ben Simmons (PHI) $30,559,220

Total Out $$64,918,070

While giving up Simmons hurts the Sixers get out of Harris's contract and surround Embid with four players that can contribute. While they may end up trading a couple of these players later on I think Philly would be willing to throw in picks to get this done. They hate helping Brooklyn but getting out of the Horford and Harris contracts puts them in a great position.

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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#272 » by Sharcm1 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:16 pm

I don’t know why philly would do that.
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Post#273 » by drchaos » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:50 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:I don’t know why philly would do that.


Perhaps Philly should be getting picks?
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Post#274 » by NyCeEvO » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:11 pm

drchaos wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:I don’t know why philly would do that.


Perhaps Philly should be getting picks?

No, Philly wants to contend, not regress. While trading Harden for Simmons is a net positive, Harden + Embiid is not enough to contend and the Sixers wouldn't have enough assets to further improve their team if they traded them to HOU.

If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if Morey actually preferred to trade Embiid instead of Simmons, but Embiid wouldn't be as valuable because of his conditioning and overall health concerns.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#275 » by Netaman » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:21 pm

this could be posturing but I'm hoping it's legit. I'd stay open minded and flexible, in-season who knows how things look, but right now I'd be adding pieces and not making big changes before seeing what this group looks like.

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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#276 » by Prokorov » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:45 pm

drchaos wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:I don’t know why philly would do that.


Perhaps Philly should be getting picks?


Philly is not going to givie up simmons AND not get harden AND facilitate harden to the nets AND get the worst return in the trade.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#277 » by drchaos » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:49 pm

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drchaos wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:I don’t know why philly would do that.


Perhaps Philly should be getting picks?


Philly is not going to givie up simmons AND not get harden AND facilitate harden to the nets AND get the worst return in the trade.


They would be thrilled if they found a sucker to take Tobias Harris though.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#278 » by stormi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:45 pm

drchaos wrote:
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drchaos wrote:
Perhaps Philly should be getting picks?


Philly is not going to givie up simmons AND not get harden AND facilitate harden to the nets AND get the worst return in the trade.


They would be thrilled if they found a sucker to take Tobias Harris though.


He's a fine stretch 4 and we brought in Doc to do whatever he did with him on the Clippers when he was their #1 option that year prior to Kawhi/PG where they were overachieving and he was a borderline allstar.

He's still not a bad player, and a good fit alongside Jo and Ben. Gets up every morning, scores his vanilla ~19ppg on good efficiency and goes about his day. He's wildly overpaid, but not a literal detriment to the on court cohesion on both sides of the basketball like Horford was.

I could see Morey using this as a year to pump his value and then to go all in for someone next summer.

The Sixers aren't contending for anything but HCA and possibly a round or two this year.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#279 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:06 pm

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I don't want him at all man :l



Frankly, I don't blame you at all.

I wouldn't give up my 24 year old Star who I have locked up for 5 years for 2 years of Harden.

Unlikely Harden-Embiid gets you to the Finals anyway. We have seen how Harden does as a first option.

I would rather surround Embiid-Simmons with shooters and see how much better they can get. Both players have not even hit their prime.
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Re: Harden-watch 2020 

Post#280 » by stormi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:26 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
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I don't want him at all man :l



Frankly, I don't blame you at all.

I wouldn't give up my 24 year old Star who I have locked up for 5 years for 2 years of Harden.

Unlikely Harden-Embiid gets you to the Finals anyway. We have seen how Harden does as a first option.

I would rather surround Embiid-Simmons with shooters and see how much better they can get. Both players have not even hit their prime.


Definitely. It's not a Kawhi type of situation where Toronto was on the cusp year after year, consistently achieving really well, but coming up short due to the lack of superstar power. They had gathered and developed an amazing surrounding cast for Kawhi to come in and alleviate his responsibility. Even after trading Derozan/Poeltl they still had Lowry/Siakam/FVV/Ibaka/Powell/OG/Gasol and then Green came also. We've done some solid roster configuring since Morey has come in. Shipped out weird fits and toxic contracts like Richardson and Horford. Brought in Green (expiring) and Seth. Hopefully Tyrese Maxey can develop into something intriguing. Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz and Matisse Thybulle should grow a little bit more. And Ben also, who's only played two and a half seasons and is still imo scratching the surface of his offensive capabilities. I'll have faith in whatever Morey does because he's earned it, I just don't think it's the right moment yet to go all in and mortgage your future with your two cornerstones being 24&26 years of age.

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