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Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#1 » by Prokorov » Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:33 pm

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You know the drill. New year approaching. 6 weeks to the trade deadline. we have 17 guys in the fray and all have made a case for minutes. It is a win now year. Guys have stepped up in Kyrie/Harris absence. Young guys have raised their value. Some guys have looked to be disappinting (Jevon Carter). Nets could use some draft picks to restock.

So have at it with your best trade offers and scenarios. Any motivation;
-Getting that missing title piece
-Capitalizing on rookies trade value going up
-Trading Harris because mills has looked good and Harris is our only big salary
-Using those TPE's (11.5M from dinwiddie, 6M from DJ)
-Moving on from Kyrie
-Clearing the center logjam (Clax/Blake/Day'ron/LMA)
-Dumping guys who havent cut it (Carter, Milsap)

RULE: You must give the "why" and reasoning for both teams. Lets not have these "Carter and Milsap for Ben Simmons" type things flying around
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Post#2 » by Prokorov » Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:41 pm

Here is an interesting one I've come up with:

Nets Send: Joe Harris, Day'ron Sharpe
Celtics Send: Marcus Smart, Payton Pritchard

Why for Nets: Mills has made Harris a bit expendable. His shooting has proven to be every bit as good as Joes and he provides more with the ball and defensively. With Kyrie back thats also 1 less need for a shooter. Smart provides 2-way play and Elite All-NBA defense with playoff experience. Smart has shot 35.5% from three the prior 3 seasons on high volume (6 attempts per game) which isnt great but better then Brown/Bembry. He also can handle the ball. Pritchard gives you shooting and another true Point Guard.

Why for Boston: Harris provides Brown/Tatum the floor spacing they have lacked. rookies Neismith and Langford have not proven to fill that void and the now departed Ojelye was a disappointment as a wing shooter as well. Harris would provide elite spacing for their star wings. Sharpe gives them another true big with RWIII being so injury prone. would allow them to keep horford as a 4 and rely less on Grant Williams at the 5. The move also helps with Harris having 1 less year on his deal then smart.

Boston also needs one last crack at a Brown/Tatum core. removing smart as a leader/voice in the locker room finally puts it all on Brown/Tatum to sink or swim.

I hate losing Joe. I'm his OG fan. And he is the last tie to the Nets that rebuilt us. But its a small title window. We have Patty's shooting and Patty is the better player (and maybe more reliable in a big spot). Smart gives us more defense, a true elite top 5 defender among non-centers. And he provides more offense then any of our defenders. He is a gamer and playoff proven.
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Post#3 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:12 pm

Honestly I don't think we really need anything.

With the emergence of Claxton, the young guys, and Kyrie I feel like we don't need to add more players.

Only thing I would want would be maybe adding a guard through the buyout market who could be a second ball handler for home games when Kyrie is out.

I do thinl long term we should think about trading Harris for a younger player and pick so we can extend and pay Claxton.
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Post#4 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:19 pm

I think we don't do anything. We have some serious depth.
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Post#5 » by Prokorov » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:34 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Honestly I don't think we really need anything.

With the emergence of Claxton, the young guys, and Kyrie I feel like we don't need to add more players.

Only thing I would want would be maybe adding a guard through the buyout market who could be a second ball handler for home games when Kyrie is out.

I do thinl long term we should think about trading Harris for a younger player and pick so we can extend and pay Claxton.


That is a good point.

Trading Harris for picks and an expiring would allow us to use his 20 million to pay Claxton AND Patty.

Mills makes 6 million now. adding 6-7 million to that allows us to give him a 3/40 million deal which i think he would certainly consider.

We could add 9 million to the 3 million clax maxes now and offer him 4/48, which again is good value for him.

we would shave 1-2 million off our current salary and whatever pick we could get for harris too
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Post#6 » by Prokorov » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:35 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I think we don't do anything. We have some serious depth.


I'd be suprised if we didnt. too many players, a TPE, and lack of picks. there is a consolidation or trades pick to be had for sure, even if its minor
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Post#7 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:49 pm

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I think we don't do anything. We have some serious depth.


I'd be suprised if we didnt. too many players, a TPE, and lack of picks. there is a consolidation or trades pick to be had for sure, even if its minor


I'm not too worried about the picks because of Cam, The Duke, Sharpe and Kessler. All 4 players look like they could be rotation mainstays as we move forward if they continue to develop.

If anything we may have to burn a 2nd rounder to get Carter off the books.
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Post#8 » by Stone » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:27 am

Aside from the Harden trade, has Marks made any other trades during the season or at the deadline?

I don't think he is going to make any trades. If he does move Joe to free up money for Nic and Patty, it would be in the offseason.

Not sure what the buyout market looks like. But that may be the more likely scenario.....
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Post#9 » by Whiskey Slick » Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:54 am

I would make that deal, PRO, because Smart is an elite defender and tough, meaning borderline dirty, the kind of defender who really gets under elite scorers skin, gets in their head and can take them off their game.

Plus the league has gotten back to calling less fouls, which increases the value of a players like Smart.

Lastly, as you said, we already have more than enough scoring with KD, Harden, Claxton, Aldrich, Blake, Kyrie coming back, and of course Patty Mills. Even some role players like Bembry and Cam can score off the bench.

Another ELITE DEFENDER like Smart, who brings toughness as well, would be a good fit.
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Post#10 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:27 am

I'd only move Joe if it guaranteed being able to use the money to retain Mills & Claxton next year. Unfortunately, we can only give Mills a 20% raise, and Mills has set himself up to get seriously paid. I don't think we can give up Joe without getting back a long-term asset.
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Post#11 » by Prokorov » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:38 am

TheNetsFan wrote:I'd only move Joe if it guaranteed being able to use the money to retain Mills & Claxton next year. Unfortunately, we can only give Mills a 20% raise, and Mills has set himself up to get seriously paid. I don't think we can give up Joe without getting back a long-term asset.


ouch. 7.2 million for patty is tough. probably means there is no way we can bring him back. which sucks and makes trading joe tougher since we would be left with no role shooter going into the offseason.
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Post#12 » by Neuromancer56 » Sun Jan 2, 2022 12:49 am

This is completely hypothetical from a Bucks fan. Giannis for KD. Bucks reason: win now. Nets reason: Giannis is younger and could keep getting better.
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Post#13 » by Prokorov » Sun Jan 2, 2022 7:19 am

Neuromancer56 wrote:This is completely hypothetical from a Bucks fan. Giannis for KD. Bucks reason: win now. Nets reason: Giannis is younger and could keep getting better.


Lol no effing way.

Why would we throw away a title window and the best player in the league for Giannis?

I'd need 3 unprotected firsts and 3 picks swaps just consider it and even then its not super close.
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Post#14 » by GYK » Wed Jan 5, 2022 2:57 pm

Biggest problem in our roster construction(besides not answering the problems we had Year1) was valuing individual role players regardless of overall fit and the domino effect it had in who we had to sign/keep because of it.
Loving Patty and LMA even if that wouldn’t have been my choice. So not gonna complain about them. They would both ideally be bench players for me tho.
Joe, Nic, Cam, Sharpe, Brown would all be on the block for me. All good players but not exactly what a core of Harden/Kyrie/KD need.
As said liking someone(lots of “that’s neat” but not two way 3&D or traditional big players) and the “go further” SSOL belief seem to go through this roster.
Love Joe. One of GOAT specialist and beards in history, he’s a core 4 member but essentially just a role player. He forces us to have 4 players who shouldn’t have to guard opposing stars on the floor. You can replace him with a better defender but again he’s a core 4 player, that shouldn’t be the case. Trading Joe for a core defensive player aligns the team short and long term. 4 or 5 it doesn’t matter. 4 might give you more dynamic player(switches and short roll for the Harden traps we will be facing). 5 should secure rebounding and paint defense(also a dislodging screener and a defense collapsing roll man).
Nic is arguably the best perimeter guarding center ever. He also isn’t much of rebounder nor post defender. You can argue his screening and rolls aren’t dynamic as well. Last year Blake was great with him because he did everything Nic doesn’t(tho even his rebounding was meh). On a more 2way wing sized team Nic would look amazing but he is deficient where we have needs. Even if Nic was kept I would focus on finding his froncourt mate. The forward(sometimes center) defending spacer who helps gang rebounding/boxing out.
Bruce is Bruce. It is very neat. 6’4 perimeter roll man. Nearly one of kind. But it was way better last season when we had way more shooters and teams were less prepared for it. But also it’s a slip not a dislodging screen. He also makes us very small with our core.
Cam and Sharpe nothing wrong there. They just 1st round picks that could’ve went to improving our team now not a potential future banked on late round picks. 2nds are buyable and undrafted 25 year olds are some of the best immediate impact role players around. Edwards and Duke would’ve been fine enough for me as the rookies brought in. They look like solid hustle defenders and ball movers. Quality low usage players, tho Duke 3ball hasn’t fallen yet.
Blake and Paul are meh if their skillset isn’t featured and their 3ball isn’t falling. Which also kinda bugged me, how much ball time did they expect role players to get with Durant, Harden and Kyrie? Especially when you spend the on Patty and bring in scoring LMA? Not to mention core Joe(even if traded the replacement of Joe)? Just with those 3 everyone else skillset should have been I take 3’s and play defense. You see it when we play good teams. They get way less possessions than when against other teams.
I like Bembry and Johnson despite them lacking 3balls but they bring size to our small ball lineup and I see them ending far more important games with the Big 3 if no roster changes are made. Especially if no roster changes are made we need to work on more 3-2 sets with the idea of rotating Kyrie/Durant/Harden/Joe/Patty/LMA as the 3 with everyone else as the 2.

As for actual trades
Joe/Nic/Cam/Sharpe for Grant or a Pacer big or the holy grail Ben Simmons(tho that probably would never be a direct trade it does work if the Kings take our young boys with the 6ers young boys for Fox. It would also cost Carter btw). Also that core defender now would be great as the nearly 10M MLE is available next season and we could bring in one or more core 3&D players. Getting him now would ultimately help the future teams as well. But most importantly finding the defensive core player for Joe. We would have four 36mpg players for all scenarios. Finding the 96 minutes around that quartet is much easier than believing we have an option for any scenario.
Brown and Carter for an 3&D wing shooter. Just a size appropriate +.33% shooter.
Around the buyout focus on any 3&D wings available.
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Post#15 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:30 pm

Nash has one of the 10 best rosters... Ever.

Maybe we could use a 3 & D guy or 7+ foot shotblocker but so could everyone. Roster constructions is WAY down on our list of issues
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Post#16 » by GYK » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:23 pm

I disagree. To the point the same problems show up against every single contender ever time. We do have Durant and Harden(two at WORST top 20 players ever) but no. Not one All Defense player(would be the 1st team ever to win without one). We are PnR team without a prominent roll man. All offense and all defense players. Don’t force turnovers. Year 2 and paint protection and offensive rebounds still are our bane.
Ever is wild to me. It’s strictly overrating the role players cause they team. Warriors missed their star guard just the same(and Wiseman) and because they built a better roster they are playing much better. Suns and Jazz both openly decided the 18 Rockets were the blueprint and are playing better. We are good cause we have the best tandem in the sport and that’s it.
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Post#17 » by LOUiS-D » Wed Jan 5, 2022 10:54 pm

Do you think it's possible to retain Harris, Clax and Patty? I know we let Spence go because of the sticker shock come tax time, but there WAS some redundancy there with Kai (facepalm). You can't have too much of what these 3 bring: spacing and a defensive swiss army knife. I really hope Joe Tsai is willing to bleed a little. Clax walking after trading away Jarrett would be a huge bummer. I know we'd probably S&T or something. It'd suck to see 2 home grown awesome modern bigs fulfill their potential elsewhere.
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Post#18 » by ecuhus1981 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:03 am

LOUiS-D wrote:Do you think it's possible to retain Harris, Clax and Patty? I know we let Spence go because of the sticker shock come tax time, but there WAS some redundancy there with Kai (facepalm). You can't have too much of what these 3 bring: spacing and a defensive swiss army knife. I really hope Joe Tsai is willing to bleed a little. Clax walking after trading away Jarrett would be a huge bummer. I know we'd probably S&T or something. It'd suck to see 2 home grown awesome modern bigs fulfill their potential elsewhere.

True, I do feel that Nic is tougher to replicate than some of the other guys we've traded or opted not to re-sign. Patty is going to be tricky IF he takes his player option. We won't have full Bird rights on him if he does, so we won't be able to match offers above the MLE. He might just choose to stay, and there's no guarantee he'll get that huge contract with how few under-the-cap teams there will be. But he's far outperformed his contract.
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Post#19 » by Prokorov » Thu Jan 6, 2022 5:12 pm

LOUiS-D wrote:Do you think it's possible to retain Harris, Clax and Patty? I know we let Spence go because of the sticker shock come tax time, but there WAS some redundancy there with Kai (facepalm). You can't have too much of what these 3 bring: spacing and a defensive swiss army knife. I really hope Joe Tsai is willing to bleed a little. Clax walking after trading away Jarrett would be a huge bummer. I know we'd probably S&T or something. It'd suck to see 2 home grown awesome modern bigs fulfill their potential elsewhere.


Definetly not. We may not be able to retain more then 1
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Post#20 » by LOUiS-D » Fri Jan 7, 2022 4:30 am

Prokorov wrote:
LOUiS-D wrote:Do you think it's possible to retain Harris, Clax and Patty? I know we let Spence go because of the sticker shock come tax time, but there WAS some redundancy there with Kai (facepalm). You can't have too much of what these 3 bring: spacing and a defensive swiss army knife. I really hope Joe Tsai is willing to bleed a little. Clax walking after trading away Jarrett would be a huge bummer. I know we'd probably S&T or something. It'd suck to see 2 home grown awesome modern bigs fulfill their potential elsewhere.


Definetly not. We may not be able to retain more then 1

F*** I hope you're wrong. Would be nice to have some continuity one of these seasons.

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