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Why is the offense so mediocre?

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Re: Why is the offense so mediocre? 

Post#21 » by Prokorov » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:27 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
gigantes wrote:There's a nice post here that focuses in on our lack of corner 3pt shooting in particular.

theclubhardenvisits wrote:I've been doing a ton of deep dives into some of our problems. I made this post yesterday breaking down our offensive woes in last night's game. (https://www.reddit.com/r/GoNets/comments/ryqzab/using_tonight_to_showcase_where_and_why_our/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

And then for r/nba I made a similar post a little more focused on Harden. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/rytgs0/the_nets_offense_and_hardens_struggles/)

But the more I dive into this, the more I realize how much of our problems are centered on our corner 3s just being non existent. I'm going to copy paste our corner three shot chart for our currently available players from one of those threads here:

* Mills is 30 of 80 from the corner which is respectable
* Bruce Brown at 8 of 23
* Blake Griffin at 6 of 26
* and then Jevon Carter at 5 of 19.

Without Harris, who was shooting 61% from the corner (!!!), our highest volume corner three guys include Bruce Brown, Blake Griffin, and Jevon **** Carter. There are obviously two corners, which means if Mills isn't at either of them, we have two non shooting threats parked there. [These are our accuracy rankings from the corner. Note that small sample sizes are not ranked](https://imgur.com/80yCy04). That is a [huge contrast to last year](https://imgur.com/dkq1K2U) when we had all these guys capable from the corner and from 3.

[This is a chart of the leagues highest volume corner three teams](https://imgur.com/nqt0cRG)

[This is a chart of the leagues most accurate corner three teams](https://imgur.com/tlGo5Uf)

**We are ranked 19th for volume and 25th for accuracy from the corner.**

We are technically ahead of Golden State in accuracy, but their volume is so much higher than ours that it is still a positive shot for them for multiple reasons, including that it spaces the floor allowing them to be a top 2 rim finishing team regards to accuracy and top 10 in volume.

**We are 23rd in volume and 20th in accuracy at the rim because the paint is so clogged against us.**

I want to compare this to two things:

I want to compare those rankings to [last year](https://imgur.com/iL41DnZ), where we were *11th in rim accuracy, 2nd in all midrange, 9th in the corner, and 2 for overall threes.*

And I want to compare that to [the seven years Harden was on the Rockets](https://imgur.com/1WFbTuu).

It is not a coincidence that when the corner three fails, both Harden and our pick and roll suffers. We cannot run a sufficient modern offense when we have our corners being taken up by guys that won't shoot and they won't cut. It legitimately just seems like the corner is being used to place the guys the team wants to make run the furthest to get back on defense rather than using it as an actual floor spacing threat. And since they aren't frequently cutting backdoor either, it's just removing one of the most effective ways to space the floor for a spread pick and roll and turning it into a negative shot for us.


This is not just a "we need to hit more corner threes!!" problem. It's a schematic flaw in our offense. We are ruining our pick and roll game because we are not shooting corner threes, and the corner - which is one of the most effective 3pt shots in the NBA - is being used as a filler spot to hide guys on offense rather than as the floor spacing threat it should be.



This is what I've been saying all this time. WHY are we parking guys that can't shoot in the corners? And if they do have to be there, why aren't they cutting?

Every time Harden drives, it's a wall of defenders waiting because the shooters don't have to be respected and they aren't making backdoor cuts

Nash has no idea what he's doing.


It makes even less sense when KD/Mills are on the floor for 80% of the game and can each occupy a corner. Set a double stagger screen with the other 2. it shouldnt be this hard. i get we are missing some shooters but its not liek harden is out there with reggie evans, gerald wallace, marhshon brooks, and kris humphries.

ALOT of teams find a way for their elite ball handler to score without having 3 elite shooters next to him. and most dont have KD/mills next to them. I watched the hornets beat the bucks right after we played them. They consistently broke down the D by having Giannis man screen the ball so Giannis couldnt roam free on defense. They played portis off the floor making him switch on to lamello. They also made the bucks offense stall by letting Giannis go one-on-one to the tune of 45 points but didnt care because not helping meant no kick-out threes from giannis ot their shooters (like, what killed us all game).
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Re: Why is the offense so mediocre? 

Post#22 » by Prokorov » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:32 am

Claud wrote:No offensive system, ISO ISO ISO, losing Joe Harris + Kyrie, not replacing Uncle Jeff role, No D'Antoni.


To be fair, Marks brought in Milsap to replace green.

-milsap is a career 34% shooter who shot 38% the prior 3 years for denver.
-Green is a career 34% shooter sho is currently shooting 33% for denver.

I dont think it was unreasonable to think from marks perspective that milsap would give us a similar shooter performance in 2022 as Green would have. Milsap hasnt shot well, but he hasnt really played either.

Not replacing D'antoni to me is the bigger oops
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Re: Why is the offense so mediocre? 

Post#23 » by Prokorov » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:32 am

pr0wler wrote:Too bad Blake lost his shot, Aldridge can't really shoot 3's, and Claxton doesn't space the floor. We have limited options for a 5 out offense which I think could be effective.


play KD at the 5 and let Harden lean on their center defensively.
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Re: Why is the offense so mediocre? 

Post#24 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:55 am

I'm admittedly getting antsy, but keep reminding myself that everyone outside of Mills, Bembry, Brown and Aldridge are shooting below their career averages from 3, and 3 of the floor are low volume. If KD, Harden and Griffin can get back to career averages plus we get Joe back, our offense should look much better.

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