Official Fire Sean Marks thread

[Prokorov]

Marks has to go.

He pulled this team out of the billy king era with no assets, drafted great. help build something that was attractive to KD/Kyrie. But the damage he has done far outweighs all of that.

Hiring nash was near unforgiveable. over dozens of more qualified minority/female coaches. not firing nash after last year was unforgiveable. not firing nash in season this year is a fireable offense.

he has to go. and nash with him. i wont renew my season ticket plan if he is still coach next year

[Shark]

Hiring Nash was a mistake. And that was compounded when we didn't seek out a D'antoni level replacement. I wasn't nearly as high on MDA as others on here, but it's clear that he at least brought more to the table strategically compared to the rest of the staff. Ime was a huge loss as well as its clear we have no idea what to do on defense. We weren't great defensively last season, but I don't think we ever looked as lost on the defensive end as we have this season.

And the biggest problem I have is that Marks clearly didn't havea real sense of when to pull the plug and for me that's the most damning thing. Mistakes happen, fine. But once it's clear that a mistake was made it has to be rectified. Marks failed in that regard. During our mid-season funk, which included a double digit losing streak, he decided to stick with Nash and lean on the injuries as an excuse for our struggles.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I agree with most of Mark's decision roster wise.

I really think he did the best he could.

Nash needs to be fired the minute the season ends. If he does that I'm ok with keeping him.

If Nash stays for one second beyond that he needs to be fired.

[Eatgreenz]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

[OfficialRef]

Hes good at rebuilding and building a team culture for an up and coming team but clearly can't establish a championship roster.

He had a horrible offseason

[MrDollarBills]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

[Eatgreenz]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

Bro you peeped that to Sam was calling him out every mistake this moron is still doing, and knows this whole Nash coaching is a joke. And an insult to coaches who had to work their way through the ranks to get an opportunity. Privilege to the max its disgusting.

[MrDollarBills]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

Bro you peeped that to Sam was calling him out every mistake this moron is still doing, and knows this whole Nash coaching is a joke. And an insult to coaches who had to work their way through the ranks to get an opportunity. Privilege to the max its disgusting.

Sam has been out of coaching since 2016. You can bet he and other guys in the profession are disgusted by it.

Jay Williams has also called out Steve Nash. There is no way anyone can watch the Nets play objectively and think that this guy is doing a good job.

[CalamityX12]

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

Bro you peeped that to Sam was calling him out every mistake this moron is still doing, and knows this whole Nash coaching is a joke. And an insult to coaches who had to work their way through the ranks to get an opportunity. Privilege to the max its disgusting.

Sam has been out of coaching since 2016. You can bet he and other guys in the profession are disgusted by it.

Jay Williams has also called out Steve Nash. There is no way anyone can watch the Nets play objectively and think that this guy is doing a good job.

What did Jay say?

[thelead]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

[TheNetsFan]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

Many ex-players jumped the line with mix results. It's most common among PGs, especially star PGs. Magic jumped, Bird jumped, Kidd jumped, Billups & Kerr had no coaching experience (they had front office experience). How is the Nash situation any different than we put Kidd in charge with Dwill, Pierce, KG, etc.?

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

There's no way Joe Tsai could be this out-of-touch over what's happening to the team and the root causes for continuing to disastrously underperform two seasons into KD & Kyrie's tenure on the Nets. People ought to spam him on Twitter (joetsai1999) to let him know it's time for him to get his hands dirty.

[GTR11]

Says the guy who figured Nash was a bad coach two weeks into his job.

What exactly make you think Marks job should be on the line? What exactly make you think he's the one who gave him job or contract? Why stop there, go after Tsai and demand him to sell than.

I'm also super exited to hear why Kyrie or KD not being held accountable here at all?

[GTR11]

There's no way Joe Tsai could be this out-of-touch over what's happening to the team and the root causes for continuing to disastrously underperform two seasons into KD & Kyrie's tenure on the Nets. People ought to spam him on Twitter (joetsai1999) to let him know it's time for him to get his hands dirty.

He did one time, he fired Kenny after talking with players.

Atkinson, however, was unceremoniously ousted in 2019-20, fired by Joe Tsai after some players wanted him gone. Steve Nash, who had never coached before, was the out-of-nowhere Durant-endorsed replacement. Rival agents gave Marks credit for keeping word of the Hall of Fame point guard's candidacy quiet during the process.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemazzeo/2021/12/28/sean-marks-transformed-brooklyn-nets-from-laughingstock-into-title-contender-revisiting-twists-and-turns-that-led-to-his-hiring-as-gm/

There were also videos and articles about why/ how Kenny got fired, can't find them now. From what I recall ( video from YouTube ) Tsai went directly to KD and Kyrie. That's how we ended up with Nash.

Blaming Marks for Nash hire is stupid and laughable. He never wanted Kenny to be fired.

[Prokorov]

I agree with most of Mark's decision roster wise.

I really think he did the best he could.

I agree. I'd even say marks had a good to great offseason from a roster building standpoint. With nothing but the small MLE and minimums he added Mills, Bembry, Johnson, LMA. He also retained Blake which was not a given and Brown who we assumed was gone. all those guys contributed in a real way. Say what you want about James Johnson but if he was in his 10 mpg some DNPs role he'd look alot better.

Problem is injuries and stuff happened and Marks did nothing. Harden/Nash bitched for weeks we had no spacing/shooting after Joe got hurt and Carter/milsap turned out to be a waste and did nothing. not minimum signings not small trades.

Outside offseason signings and maybe the return on Harden, Marks was about as bad as you can be:

1) Made a definitive public statement all 3 of the "Big 3" would be signed to extensions before training camp. I was vocal at the time I hated this because there was no need to make this statement before it happened. All it would do is give the vultures ammo to pick apart the team and start rumors if camp hit and there were no extensions. 2 of the 3 hit camp with no extension and 1 isn't on the team anymore. This was when the lying and awful PR started.

2) When the NYC mandate came down Marks was asked directly if his players are vaccinated and he said yes. And they the full roster would be available. Claxton and Kyrie both rumored to be unvaxxed, Marks definitively said his guys would be available when the season starts. Again he was either lying or made a definitive statement before everyone was confirmed vaxxed allowing room for him to look dumb and give media vultures ammo.

3) Completely botched the Kyrie situation. Should have let him play road games from the start. The big3 had almost no time together. should have let them get time as early as possible even if only for road games. KD/Harden were playing 38 mpg and getting no off days. Kyrie would have lessened that load. We also for sure win 4-5 more games and would be solidly in the 6 or 7 spot now. Trading Kyrie was never gonna happen and it was clear he wasnt gonna cave over money nor would KD sign off on trading him. You wanna play hardball for a week or 2 fine but he was never gonna cave or be dealt so let him play. Of course it is Kyrie and the NYC mandates fault Kyrie wasnt available, but Marks still did as poor of a job as possible managing the situation both from a roster and PR standpoint

4) KD goes down. We are racking up losses. Harden is playing 40 mpg. Nash and Harden bitch every day about spacing. we are starting undrafted rookies shooting 18% from three (Duke Jr.) and losing to lotto teams starting multiple 10-day guys off the streets. Marks does nothing, not even a minor move to try and add any kind of shooting... which means he either failed to get one or worse, ignored the issue

5) Handled the Joe Harris issues as bad as possible. lied/hid initial injury severity, lied/hid the potential for a second surgery before last minute saying he is shut down for the year. despite knowing that was a possibility did nothing to add a shooter to the roster while Nash starts david duke at SF.

6) Lied and lied and lied and lied about the Harden thing. Looked like a moron and windhorst basically called Marks/Woj out for hiding it when it was clear dude wanted a trade. He also dragged it out to the deadline with a 10-game losing streak and Fat harden going to strip clubs between losses, not flying with the team, killing the locker room and being an overall cancer. Marks did get a good return, so maybe it was part of it/worth it to deny it all to gain leverage. but this is also part of a pattern of lying/Awful PR that has lasted all season.

7) Didn't re-route Simmons for a better fit/available player. KD is in his mid 30s. you cant waste KD seasons. none of them. Should have flipped him for a package around Collins or Fox or Haliburton. We'd be deadly and easily in the 7 slot. instead we have KD playing 40 minutes off injury and playing all role guys at home before the mandate dropped.

8) Said Simmons was ramping up and expected him and KD back 10 days after the deadline. Neither were back by then and they then lied/hid/downplayed the back issues. consistently said he would likely be back a game or two before the end of the season only for it now to come out he wont even play in the play in. Again, either he was lying or didnt know/see it. both are bad looks and again just the Awful PR where he makes bold statements that blow up in his face.

9) post-trade he had that "state of the union" presser with Grady where he basically told fans that its been a tough year and not to expect much (i.e. were F'd this season is a throw away better luck next year). This was basically a puff piece to remove any heat from Nash. for whatever reason, he is loyal/in-debt to nash.

10) Not only has he not fired Nash, but he never replaced D'antoni or Ime when it was clear that Nash wasn't ready. We promoted assistants who clearly are not ready either. He put ZERO pressure on Nash when he should of at the very least:
-publicly been passive aggressive that the coaching/team is capable of more
-Fired one of his assistants to let him know that if things dont approved Nash is next
-Hired a veteran assistant to coach nash through it

Nope, he did none of that and made all the excuses so that Nash gets another full year as coach. Puh-thetic.

For me, Marks had a long leash with all his great roster moves and dragging this team out of the ashes of the Billy King era. But he has now used up all of his leash. To me the only way I'd even consider him back is if Nash is fired immedietly after the season and Marks makes a public apology to the fans for such a poor move and an apology in general to the black/minority/female coaches who were more qualified that he passed up. Even then I'd still rather that he go.

Hire Mike Zarren or Bobby Webster as GM and either bring in Sam Cassell or try and lure coach K to the NBA (team usa coach, super tight with KD/Kyrie) or bring in Hammond from the WNBA.

[Prokorov]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

Mitchell got fired from the raptors with an 8-9 record after back to back playoff appearances with Andrea Bargnani as his 2nd best player. Of course he is upset to see nash get a free pass for being a white friend of a white GM.

Also, while Marks did a great job rebuilding this team he really had no place to go but up, was in a spot he would never get criticized for, got to take chances with no downside and did make quite a few errors along the way as well:

-tried to sign kent bazemore to a 4/80m deal. Bazemore signed elsewhere and proved to be a career role guy
-signed otto porter to a max offer sheet. it got maxed, but porter went on to be a role guy not some top optionb
-signed Tyler Johnson to a 4/60 offer sheet. TJ was so meh that we got him for the minimum when he was cut on his deal
-Signed allen crabbe to a huge deal when he was nothing more then a catch and shoot guy when we already had joe harris here

if marks original plan went as expected we would have had 4 years of:

Jeremy Lin
Kent Bazemore
Allen Crabbe
Otto Porter
Brook Lopez

[Prokorov]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

Ben hurt his back during his ramp up/conditioning efforts to get back on the floor. he had a history of back issues but no current back issue at the time, they expected him to be back in like 2 weeks after the trade.

[Prokorov]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

Many ex-players jumped the line with mix results. It's most common among PGs, especially star PGs. Magic jumped, Bird jumped, Kidd jumped, Billups & Kerr had no coaching experience (they had front office experience). How is the Nash situation any different than we put Kidd in charge with Dwill, Pierce, KG, etc.?

Its different because Nash is incompetent and there were former NBA players with more experience who we passed up, like Billups and Sam Cassell.

also the names you mentioned did get their jobs coaching a team that just signed 2 megastars.

it was a terrible hire since day 1

[Prokorov]

Says the guy who figured Nash was a bad coach two weeks into his job.

What exactly make you think Marks job should be on the line? What exactly make you think he's the one who gave him job or contract? Why stop there, go after Tsai and demand him to sell than.

Thats kind of the point. I knew he was a bad coach 2 weeks in. there is no way 2 years in that the GM doesn't know it too and has done nothing to fire him. Which means Marks either doesnt see it (doubtful) or is only holding on because its his budy (likely). to me, both situations are unacceptable, have gone too long, and require action.

I'm also super exited to hear why Kyrie or KD not being held accountable here at all?

Well, for one, you knew KD/Kyrie were injury prone/had availability issues when you signed them. Sure a once in 100 year pandemic could not be predicted, but availability/injury issues would be a concern either way.

Second, you have PRIME KEVIN DURANT!. I don't care if you surround that dude with 4 fat white dudes from this board. That team should never miss the playoffs!(sure we are in the "play in" but in a normal year the 10 seed is lottery).

We have had at least 1 of KD/Kyrie/Harden for 98% of the last 2 seasons and at least 2 of KD/Kyrie/Harden for 90%.

Hell even this year we had one of the 3 stars most games and couldnt find a way to win games. Meanwhile the James Ennis led clippers are beating us on our own home floor on the second of a back to back when we have Harden/KD on the floor.

it comes down to this, whats more likely:

1) KD/Kyrie are not good enough to lead mediocre role players to an 8 seed
2) Nash is incompetant and Marks did nothing about it

[Prokorov]

There's no way Joe Tsai could be this out-of-touch over what's happening to the team and the root causes for continuing to disastrously underperform two seasons into KD & Kyrie's tenure on the Nets. People ought to spam him on Twitter (joetsai1999) to let him know it's time for him to get his hands dirty.

He did one time, he fired Kenny after talking with players.

Atkinson, however, was unceremoniously ousted in 2019-20, fired by Joe Tsai after some players wanted him gone. Steve Nash, who had never coached before, was the out-of-nowhere Durant-endorsed replacement. Rival agents gave Marks credit for keeping word of the Hall of Fame point guard's candidacy quiet during the process.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemazzeo/2021/12/28/sean-marks-transformed-brooklyn-nets-from-laughingstock-into-title-contender-revisiting-twists-and-turns-that-led-to-his-hiring-as-gm/

There were also videos and articles about why/ how Kenny got fired, can't find them now. From what I recall ( video from YouTube ) Tsai went directly to KD and Kyrie. That's how we ended up with Nash.

Blaming Marks for Nash hire is stupid and laughable. He never wanted Kenny to be fired.

KD was never consulted on Atkinsons firing. It is documented in the book about that season and KD said it on his podcast. he was basically focused on rehab and didnt care about in season stuff. Kyrie was also away from the team at the moment and had no more then a option to object, which he didnt.

it was dinwiddie and jordan who wanted nash gone the loudest with most of the team frustrated by a lack of clear roles. Also, Kenny wanted to leave too, he was more suited to build a team then lead one with expectations. The one the thing book shed to light the most is that Kenny wanted out as much as dinwiddie wanted him gone.

Regardless OF COURSE hiring Nash is on Marks. Maybe he was in a situation where he had to make a change he didnt want to, but he still passed up dozens of more qualified black/female candidates to hire someone not qualified for the job.

That would be like if Kyrie retired, the league gave us a 35 million exception in cap space, Marks signed Marquis Teague as his replacement giving him 4/140 million contract, and you said "how is that Marks fault, he didnt force kyrie to retire"