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Post#1 » by Whiskey Slick » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:28 am

I'm sorry, but there's too many threads on Kyrie and Durant for me to know which one to use, and even LAST YEARS official all things Nets thread is from 2021/22 (and long), so IMO it was long past due for a new, 2022/23, all things Nets thread. Time to remove all confusion and create one UNAMBIGUOUS all things Nets thread for this off-season and season.

If the mods disagree and wish to remove this thread, understood, otherwise we have a new season thread.

That said, I'll get it started by saying Kyrie, THE CANCER, the most toxic Net in franchise history, the creep who did everything humanly possible to BLOW UP a championship roster, AND SUCCEEDED, can take his "I never requested a trade - I want to play in Brooklyn, with or without KD" declaration and shove it where the sun never shines.

Nobody wants his THIEVING ASS here without KD, just like the rest of the league has no interest in his TOXIC ASS.

But we may be stuck with him for three reasons: What other team wants him, would be dumb enough to give him a max extension (or anything close), and would give the Nets ANYTHING of real value for a proven THIEF who steals your money then tells you and your fanbase that you can all GO TO HELL if he doesn't feel like playing, which is OFTEN and sometimes for the most frivolous reasons, like some cousins birthday party or whatever the F he views as more important than basketball, which is pretty close to damn near everything!

So indeed we may be stuck with this CANCER for 22/23 and he'll probably prioritize basketball for the first time since the day he put on a Brooklyn Nets uniform, but ONLY because it's in his own financial interest to see if he can fool another team and make one last score (HEIST) before he ends a career he couldn't care less about, aside from the money.

As for KD, I'm only granting his wish to be traded if another team steps up and BLOWS US AWAY with an offer, otherwise he can play for the Nets or sit home and play for nobody, whichever he prefers, but there's NO WAY IN HELL he's going anywhere for anything less than TOP DOLLAR, meaning every last ounce of value he is worth -- then a little bit more!

Hey, I figured if I'm gonna get this 2022/23 Nets thread started, I might as well get it started with a bang. 8-)

BTW Kyrie, the toxic SOB, still hasn't apologized to the Nets and Nets fans for all the damage he has done. He's still defiant about it, still thinks he did nothing wrong, still believes he's BEEN WRONGED, like the malignant narcissist that he is.

Make no mistake about it, what Kyrie did to this team was so reprehensible that he is more than worthy of the title: "Most toxic Net in franchise history", because THIS WAS a championship team under ideal circumstances. That said, ONE MAN, one selfish, self-centered, malignant narcissist decided he was going to make this situation anything but "ideal" if it personally inconvenienced him in any way, as in actually expecting him to show up and play whenever he was less than 100% enthusiastic about the idea, which was at least 50% of the time ... and all the proceeding drama, starting with James Harden wanting OUT and now KD also requesting a trade, with ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS to show for it, is all the result of this ONE MAN. So don't think for one second I am overstating it when I call him a cancer and the most toxic Net ever.
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Post#2 » by Whiskey Slick » Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:00 am

Frank Isola tweeted that a straight swap of Kyrie for Lowry is not out of the question, implying there have been discussions.

If we can trade Kyrie for Lowry, even though I'm normally against trading a 31 year old player for a 36 year old player, I've always loved Lowry's game and IMO he's aged well, still playing at a fairly high level (hamstring aside), and since Kyrie would only be here for one more year anyway, this is a swap I would make.

IMO Lowry is the polar opposite of Kyrie, meaning the ultimate team guy. If we keep KD and Simmons, and with the other pieces we've added including the return of Harris and Mills, but other additions as well, I believe we have a better chance to create a "team first" atmosphere with a leader like Kyle Lowry, thus a better chance to win a championship.

I'm not sure how KD will feel about this, but frankly KD doesn't run this team, Tsai and Marks do.

Lastly, I believe KD will learn to like it if and when Lowry is showing up for games and helping us to win a championship.
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Post#3 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:32 am

Whiskey Slick wrote:Frank Isola tweeted that a straight swap of Kyrie for Lowry is not out of the question, implying there have been discussions.

If we can trade Kyrie for Lowry, even though I'm normally against trading a 31 year old player for a 36 year old player, I've always loved Lowry's game and IMO he's aged well, still playing at a fairly high level (hamstring aside), and since Kyrie would only be here for one more year anyway, this is a swap I would make.

IMO Lowry is the polar opposite of Kyrie, meaning the ultimate team guy. If we keep KD and Simmons, and with the other pieces we've added including Ayton and the return of Harris and Mills, but other additions as well, I believe we have a better chance to create a "team first" atmosphere with a leader like Kyle Lowry, thus a better chance to win a championship.

I'm not sure how KD will feel about this, but frankly KD doesn't run this team, Tsai and Marks do.

Lastly, I believe KD will learn to like it if and when Lowry is showing up for games and helping us to win a championship.

He didn't tweet anything about it being straight up and frankly it can't. The salary gap is too wide to be legal. So the devil is in the detail. Personally, I'd prefer Westbrook to Lowry. The total remaining salary is the same, but Westbrook expires where Lowry is spread over 2.

That being said, unless KD is widening his desired destination list, it appears we're running it back.
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Post#4 » by Whiskey Slick » Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:37 pm

If I misinterpreted the "straight swap" my apologies, and thanks for the correction. I wouldn't want to mislead anyone.

I'll take two years of Lowry. I think he has two more good years left in him, but Westbrook is younger so I can see preferring Westbrook. All things being equal, ordinarily I would prefer the younger of the two as well.

I'm okay with either trade to be honest. Anything of value that gets Kyrie out of here is fine by me.
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Post#5 » by MGrand15 » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:43 pm

Whiskey Slick wrote:If I misinterpreted the "straight swap" my apologies, and thanks for the correction. I wouldn't want to mislead anyone.

I'll take two years of Lowry. I think he has two more good years left in him, but Westbrook is younger so I can see preferring Westbrook. All things being equal, ordinarily I would prefer the younger of the two as well.

I'm okay with either trade to be honest. Anything of value that gets Kyrie out of here is fine by me.


Lowry + Gabe Vincent works. It's pretty easy for it to work if they want to throw in a worse player than Gabe. They just need to add like 2 million.

Westbrook is just terrible. He makes 47 million and is toxic on the court and in the locker room. The expiring stuff just isn't that valuable. There's a reason the Lakers have basically no options outside of Kyrie. No one wants Russ.

Lowry is actually a perfect fit with the team and is exactly the type of culture guy we need. I'd take him in a heartbeat. If we can get a pick out of it, that's a huge win.
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Post#6 » by Whiskey Slick » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:57 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
Lowry is actually a perfect fit with the team and is exactly the type of culture guy we need.

I couldn't agree more. Lowry is the Anti-Kyrie. If you put Lowry's heart, character and passion for the game into Kyrie, we'd have at least one ring already from this team Marks put together, maybe two.
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Post#7 » by gigantes » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:08 pm

And here I was kinda hoping for a pleasant summer, some good ales shared all-around, a light-hearted joke or two. I.e., some place to take it easy upon the endless 'KD's a so-and-so' talk. C'mon, Whiskey-Slick!

Lol, alright, here's a little sports / dating story:

So, couple years ago, I was out with a married friend. A ridiculously attractive, married friend, for context. We decided to go bowling that night. I was having a lot of fun, and she very much seemed to be having fun, too. Cool, yeah?

Except it was absolutely 'strike night' for me, like never before in my life. Meaning, I was bowling strikes like butter, even using a cratered moon rock of a house ball. Possibly relevant is that I throw it from the extreme right or left to get a good angle, kinda like a break shot in pool. Even so, I've never bowled strikes that easily.

Meanwhile, she was just having an 'average game' (on track for ~80-90), and I just... kinda slowed down and screwed around when I realised that it might get kinda awkward for her.

Now, assuming y'all know bowling, one of the more fun / silly things you can do with friends (while trying not to PO the alley/mgmt) is to bowl way back from the very beginning of the wood flooring, behind the seating. Man, even when I threw one from there, I still got a strike.

Anyway, in the end, after all that screwing around, I came up with a 199, easily the best score in my life.

Sure, for a league bowler with a weighted ball and good technique, that's just an average or maybe even weak game. But for me, someone who bowls maybe once every three years, it was my *big chance* to absolutely smash through the 200 barrier, possibly to finish ~240 or so, and I found a way to completely bollocks it up.

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Post#8 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:12 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
Whiskey Slick wrote:If I misinterpreted the "straight swap" my apologies, and thanks for the correction. I wouldn't want to mislead anyone.

I'll take two years of Lowry. I think he has two more good years left in him, but Westbrook is younger so I can see preferring Westbrook. All things being equal, ordinarily I would prefer the younger of the two as well.

I'm okay with either trade to be honest. Anything of value that gets Kyrie out of here is fine by me.


Lowry + Gabe Vincent works. It's pretty easy for it to work if they want to throw in a worse player than Gabe. They just need to add like 2 million.

Westbrook is just terrible. He makes 47 million and is toxic on the court and in the locker room. The expiring stuff just isn't that valuable. There's a reason the Lakers have basically no options outside of Kyrie. No one wants Russ.

Lowry is actually a perfect fit with the team and is exactly the type of culture guy we need. I'd take him in a heartbeat. If we can get a pick out of it, that's a huge win.

Give me Westbrook's expiring & LA picks over 2 years of a broken down, overpaid, over the hill Lowry.
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Post#9 » by Tha King » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:14 pm

Sharpe out there in summer league making highlight dunks, passing, threes, blocks, etc. Looks much different athletically and the shot is coming along.
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Post#10 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:32 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
Whiskey Slick wrote:If I misinterpreted the "straight swap" my apologies, and thanks for the correction. I wouldn't want to mislead anyone.

I'll take two years of Lowry. I think he has two more good years left in him, but Westbrook is younger so I can see preferring Westbrook. All things being equal, ordinarily I would prefer the younger of the two as well.

I'm okay with either trade to be honest. Anything of value that gets Kyrie out of here is fine by me.


Lowry + Gabe Vincent works. It's pretty easy for it to work if they want to throw in a worse player than Gabe. They just need to add like 2 million.

Westbrook is just terrible. He makes 47 million and is toxic on the court and in the locker room. The expiring stuff just isn't that valuable. There's a reason the Lakers have basically no options outside of Kyrie. No one wants Russ.

Lowry is actually a perfect fit with the team and is exactly the type of culture guy we need. I'd take him in a heartbeat. If we can get a pick out of it, that's a huge win.


I would take two years of past his prime Lowry (who looks to be in great shape this offseason) over another year of Kyrie turning this place into a toxic waste dump.
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Post#11 » by GTR11 » Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:41 pm

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Bring Pat Beverley here and I'm all in to run it back :lol:

Olynyk for Seth is good option too. Add another filler or a 3rd team that wants Seth and we can get 1st out of it.
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Post#12 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:39 pm

GTR11 wrote:
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Bring Pat Beverley here and I'm all in to run it back :lol:

Olynyk for Seth is good option too. Add another filler or a 3rd team that wants Seth and we can get 1st out of it.


I would bring Pat Bev in here too but I'm not burning assets to get him

Olynyk for Seth is something I'd entertain. We need a stretch 5.
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Post#13 » by Netaman » Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:48 pm

i'm not trading Seth unless KD is gone and the season is over. That guy was a lights out shooter and in the playoffs if he was open it went in. he is a much better player than Harris. swap the 2 of them and we beat milwaukee 2 years ago.
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Post#14 » by Packers+NetsWIN » Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:38 pm

Netaman wrote:i'm not trading Seth unless KD is gone and the season is over. That guy was a lights out shooter and in the playoffs if he was open it went in. he is a much better player than Harris. swap the 2 of them and we beat milwaukee 2 years ago.


I wouldn't want to trade Curry either. But if the Nets did move one of Harris or Curry, I disagree with you. I would much rather have Joe Harris over Seth Curry if I was forced to pick one (I definitely want to keep both though). Harris is the better player. Curry is obviously a lights out shooter from three. But he isn't really a threat attacking the basket. And on defense, he is a liability. Not this last season, but the season before, according to FiveThirtyEight, Curry had the 27th worst Defensive Raptor rating in the NBA last season (I don't know what his rating this past season). And it was obvious watching this past Nets-Celtics playoff series, he was being constantly targeted by the Celtics offense.
I know a lot of players have trouble defending Tatum and Brown but it was glaringly obvious his defense was a killer Harris isn't a lockdown defender either but his size gives him a huge advance over curry on that size of the court.

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Post#15 » by GTR11 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:49 am

Throughout this summer league, Sharpe been meh and maybe ok. He ain't ready by any means to be a legit back up. Knowing Nic's availability issues and lack of shooting, we got some real issue at C spot.

That's without me digging into my main concern with this team. Who is that playmaker who can run set plays. Ben struggles vs half court, Kyrie iso scorer, TJ taller Kyrie and we know about KD handles already.

Losing out on Dragic and not having stretch five will come hunt us. Don't have to be an expert to see this coming.

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Post#16 » by GTR11 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:56 am

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Netaman wrote:i'm not trading Seth unless KD is gone and the season is over. That guy was a lights out shooter and in the playoffs if he was open it went in. he is a much better player than Harris. swap the 2 of them and we beat milwaukee 2 years ago.


I wouldn't want to trade Curry either. But if the Nets did move one of Harris or Curry, I disagree with you. I would much rather have Joe Harris over Seth Curry if I was forced to pick one (I definitely want to keep both though). Harris is the better player. Curry is obviously a lights out shooter from three. But he isn't really a threat attacking the basket. And on defense, he is a liability. Not this last season, but the season before, according to FiveThirtyEight, Curry had the 27th worst Defensive Raptor rating in the NBA last season (I don't know what his rating this past season). And it was obvious watching this past Nets-Celtics playoff series, he was being constantly targeted by the Celtics offense.
I know a lot of players have trouble defending Tatum and Brown but it was glaringly obvious his defense was a killer Harris isn't a lockdown defender either but his size gives him a huge advance over curry on that size of the court.

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Post#17 » by GTR11 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:04 am

Kess is Kess, even if his shots ain't falling down. He negates it with D and good IQ plays. Couple years from now he'll get paid. RoCo 2.0 here is written all over it. Imo at this stage he's better than young RoCo.
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Post#18 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:26 am

Honestly I don't want to make any trades at this point.

I would like another Center through free agency.

But lets focus on developing young guys. Lets go back to the old Nets philosophy. No more washed vets.
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Post#19 » by TheNetsFan » Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:46 am

Conley is most intriguing to me. We play better with a true PG. The problem with all of these guys is that I would not want to deal Seth or Joe for any of them.
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Post#20 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:08 am

David Duke might be a better player than Cam

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