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https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-sean-marks-contract-extension-20220715-m4ngyvtbwnc6xloh2gk7pwuy7u-story.html

Wouldn't surprise me if Irving and KD wanted changes in coaching and front office with Tsai choosing to extent Marks (who I actually really like) it seems he is really drawing a line in the sand here.

Still clinging onto KD and Irving staying. This whole off season is nuts.

Good.

He’s got a lot of work to do. I can’t honestly say he’s ever failed us to get us into a championship roster so soon but his window is closing like this team clearly is.

I don’t think it’s nothing here that can’t be smoothed over with time and winning but a culture reset is massively important now.

I also commend him for not backing off our offer of 2 unprotected 1sts for Kyrie. Let him play himself into it while that Lakers team continues to lose value with Westbrook.

I hope this is legit. I think we very much underestimate how much of a mess Tsai could make hiring from scratch. He's shown himself to not have the best judgement in what he's involved himself in.

Seems like this report is being refuted. That being said, Marks is one of the better GMs out there. There's nobody available that would be better to retool the team post Durant.

We have been in way worse hands than Sean Marks and Joe Tsai. You have an owner who is will to spend and a GM who has the balls to make big moves.

I wonder what the article meant when referring to the length of the contract "The foreseeable future"? But I would guess 5 years.

With us seemingly about to go into a transition Marks has a lot of work to do.

TheNetsFan wrote:Seems like this report is being refuted. That being said, Marks is one of the better GMs out there. There's nobody available that would be better to retool the team post Durant.

Every day it's something else with this franchise.

I'm not vouching for Marks anymore, he played a heavy hand in this mess as well, starting with Steve Nash and also allowing this franchise to become Kyrie and KD's playpen. He has a lot of cleaning up to do. If we resign him great. If we don't, then Nash needs to go with him.

MrDollarBills wrote:

TheNetsFan wrote:Seems like this report is being refuted. That being said, Marks is one of the better GMs out there. There's nobody available that would be better to retool the team post Durant.

Every day it's something else with this franchise.

I'm not vouching for Marks anymore, he played a heavy hand in this mess as well, starting with Steve Nash and also allowing this franchise to become Kyrie and KD's playpen. He has a lot of cleaning up to do. If we resign him great. If we don't, then Nash needs to go with him.

There has been a lot of drama in the Tsai nets world. Remember the new CEO who left after a month?

I think there's a lot of wishful thinking re: the post-Marks world.

Nash needs to go regardless of Marks tenure. It's a shame he's allowing Nash to continue on

Nash needs to go regardless of Marks tenure. It's a shame he's allowing Nash to continue on

CalamityX12 wrote:Nash needs to go regardless of Marks tenure. It's a shame he's allowing Nash to continue on

not that most of us have expected any differently but Marc Stein basically said that Nash is there because of KD.

Netaman wrote:

CalamityX12 wrote:Nash needs to go regardless of Marks tenure. It's a shame he's allowing Nash to continue on

not that most of us have expected any differently but Marc Stein basically said that Nash is there because of KD.

Which baffles even the most logical of us of how could KD ask to be traded when this is his mess

Netaman wrote:

CalamityX12 wrote:Nash needs to go regardless of Marks tenure. It's a shame he's allowing Nash to continue on

not that most of us have expected any differently but Marc Stein basically said that Nash is there because of KD.

Nash is a partnered with Tsai on quite a few business ventures as well so ownership has real links with Nash outside of basketball which further muddies the waters

I want Nash gone too but you guys need to remember he's the 2nd highest paid coach in the league. Jacque Vaughn is the highest paid assistant in the league. If you fire him, you need to pay him for 2 years and hire a new, expensive coach. Owners try not to do that unless it's necessary. The mistake - not sure why it happened - was giving him such a long deal in the first place.

The second thing is - Nash has legitimately not had a normal team his entire time here. Injuries, trades, Kyrie stuff, COVID, unhappy stars, insane media attention, etc. It gives ownership a reason to give him a real chance at least. I don't think he deserves it but it'll make them feel better about doing it.

I've given Marks some heat but I wouldn't be mad if he ends up extended.

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Netaman wrote:I hope this is legit. I think we very much underestimate how much of a mess Tsai could make hiring from scratch. He's shown himself to not have the best judgement in what he's involved himself in.

What are you implying? That it's beyond clear Tsai had a major hand in replacing Kenny with Nash? Or did you mean more than that?

Not trying to be pushy, but one or two posters around here have claimed such a hypothesis has legs, but have been entirely unable to share any legit evidence to that effect. Fact is, I'm really curious if I missed some major news items about that over the years.

MGrand15 wrote:... Nash has legitimately not had a normal team his entire time here. Injuries, trades, Kyrie stuff, COVID, unhappy stars, insane media attention, etc. It gives ownership a reason to give him a real chance at least. I don't think he deserves it but it'll make them feel better about doing it. ...

IMO this is a seriously underrated POV by Nets fans, in general.

He's a rookie HC without any prior experience, almost certainly brought in to enable two superstars to play however they damn please. I'd still take any better-qualified, more experienced coach over him in a couple heartbeats, but I also feel like any halfways-decent fan should be able to recognise the absurdly-weird situation he's been operating under since day one. Like a novice poker player who entered a tournament, only receiving the faintest of praise if he placed high in the money. And even then, most bystanders sure to lightly-dismiss that accomplishment as playing with loaded hands, even though the reality was much closer to 'slightly above-average hands.'

Steve Nash to me is a smart, humble, hardworking, talented basketball person, and I'd love to see him walk away from this flaming sh-tshow and reset himself as an assistant somewhere, with a path towards being a real HC one day. Shades of JKiddy...


BONUS RANT!-- this whole offseason has absolutely sucked like no other Nets' offseason I can ever remember. Just day-after-day, waiting around for some team or other to make the Nets a fair offer for either or both of their star crybabies, knowing that we're probably not even going to be able to do a proper rebuild (which I would be perfectly fine with) once the dust settles.

Like, even when the team's assets were blown in the wake of the KG-PP trade disaster, at least it could be blamed on terrible mgmt decisions, and not the actual players stabbing the team in the back. No, what KI&KD did was a complete betrayal to everyone from mgmt, everyone associated with the Nets, and most of all, the fans and taxpayers, who pay all those 'more important peoples' salaries. Just totally, totally sucks all around IMO.

I would give Nash more of a pass regarding the roster chaos if he at least showed improvement from year to year. The Nets offense was an inexcusable mess, and the team always looked confused defensively. That's 100% on him. His only gameplan was to run the stars into the ground.

He is absolutely unqualified for the job and doesn't appear to even take the job seriously based on the way he constantly threw the team under the bus in post game interviews, deflected blame and basically sounding clueless

gigantes wrote:

Netaman wrote:I hope this is legit. I think we very much underestimate how much of a mess Tsai could make hiring from scratch. He's shown himself to not have the best judgement in what he's involved himself in.

What are you implying? That it's beyond clear Tsai had a major hand in replacing Kenny with Nash? Or did you mean more than that?

Not trying to be pushy, but one or two posters around here have claimed such a hypothesis has legs, but have been entirely unable to share any legit evidence to that effect. Fact is, I'm really curious if I missed some major news items about that over the years.

2 CEOs leaving very rapidly is the biggest warning light we have because that's basically a direct hire and direct report to Tsai that twice blew up in smoke very quickly. So that's my main evidence of concern with Tsai having to go out and hire a GM (or anyone) himself.

Separately everyone's biggest complaint with Marks is the drama with personalities behind the scenes - and that's another area where we've at least heard the rumors of Tsai being very directly involved too. The vaccine discussions, the KD trade demand, even his twitter behavior the last few weeks. He certainly got very directly involved in the Morey resignation in Houston.

I'm not absolving Marks of any blame - just pointing out the alternative is true chaos without any draft capital. The man built a respected organization from the ground up with nothing and to this day we still hear things from players coming in like Royce O'neale that when they hear from friends like Taurean Green they hear good things. If Marks leaves that's all gone and it's all on Tsai.

Other than a willingness to spend money has Tsai done 1 thing that should give us faith in him?

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You can't really draw any definitive conclusions on coaching yet. How many games did KD and Kyrie play together? KD, Harden, Kyrie? The past two seasons were a chaotic mess when it comes to injuries and availability and it's tough to perform when the best players are all consistently not playing. I'll also say the roster has been lowkey janky. Tough to make an offense work with a redundant group of non-spacing defenders and even tougher to make a defense work with a playoff roster of essentially centers and undersized guards. Think about the Celtics series, the only wing besides KD was a second round rookie.

The roster right now looks much better than it ever has. Marks has done a good job drafting and the rookies from last year should bolster depth across different spots, Warren and O'Neal give you high level wings, Simmons completely changes the dynamic of the team as well. Really it just comes down to KD and Kyrie.

Netaman wrote:2 CEOs leaving very rapidly is the biggest warning light we have because that's basically a direct hire and direct report to Tsai that twice blew up in smoke very quickly. So that's my main evidence of concern with Tsai having to go out and hire a GM (or anyone) himself.

Right, any theories on that?

I vaguely recall the first time around there was some kind of direct speculation. Maybe about the CEO job not being nearly so autonomous as advertised, or something like that. I think over at ND there was even (writer) talk about this fitting in to something of a pattern with Tsai. That's all I remember, tho.

Separately everyone's biggest complaint with Marks is the drama with personalities behind the scenes - and that's another area where we've at least heard the rumors of Tsai being very directly involved too. The vaccine discussions, the KD trade demand, even his twitter behavior the last few weeks. He certainly got very directly involved in the Morey resignation in Houston.

TBF, that stuff's all pretty standard involvement an owner is expected to have when the very direction and biggest star of a franchise is at stake.

Direct involvement with Morey seems like a real stretch to me. The CCP clearly had enough control & influence with Tsai to force him to write his public statement, well-crafted rubbish or not. I doubt Silver and the NBA regents needed any reminders that they were deep in to Emperor Xi's pockets. Also, Fertitta's such a complete POS that it's hard to imagine he was happy with a socially-conscious person like Morey, anyway.

I'm not absolving Marks of any blame - just pointing out the alternative is true chaos without any draft capital. The man built a respected organization from the ground up with nothing and to this day we still hear things from players coming in like Royce O'neale that when they hear from friends like Taurean Green they hear good things. If Marks leaves that's all gone and it's all on Tsai.

Other than a willingness to spend money has Tsai done 1 thing that should give us faith in him?

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Well, that's just about the biggest positive thing an owner can do. That and not interfere too much with the basketball decision-makers. So far it still seems like Marks is leading, and gathers (normal) input from Tsai when needed.

Other than the CCP angle, Tsai hasn't done anything that's particularly weakened my trust.

I definitely agree with you that Marks is a good GM on the whole, who should be retained. My personal take though, is that he needs to keep reasserting 'culture first' and move away from KD&KI whenever the right offers present themselves. Also, to get back to acquiring picks and 'hitting singles and doubles' with his ability to find talent. He clearly went way off track with the KI&KD (and Harden) experiment, and now it's time to get back to his strengths.