An honest and difficult take----As a Nets fan

NetsWorld · Post #1 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:15 pm

Surveying the landscape of the NBA and realizing the seismic shift, this is not 2017, 2018 or even 2019 anymore. It's a new breed of NBA players, it's a scorer's galore league driven by really good coaching. Whereas in years past, it was a rarity finding players who can score in bunches and now, as we witnessed yesterday, they are aplenty. My opinion has to come to the realization that it is time to move on from Kevin Durant and embrace rebuilding organically and BUILDING our own stars. Let's face it, he is not getting any younger. We have seen him get outclassed by Boston's young guns and it's not his fault, his fragile body coupled with an aging star, he is not gonna cut it anymore here. I would honestly revist trade talks with other teams, potentially even Boston, and try to acquire a young star, like Brown coupled with Derrick White and a few picks and call it a day. Sadly, this Nets era seems to be coming to a screeching and unfortunate end. We saw this in the J Kidd era and we made bad moves because of it; will the Marks redeem this team and rebuild the right way? Remains to be seen but Nets fans have suffered enough.......AND IT IS time to move on from KD.

Tha King · Post #2 » by **Tha King** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:25 pm

I think you look to see if some of the non-core players on the roster plus the Sixers and Mavs picks can upgrade the roster and bring in a second scorer. KD, Claxton, DFS, O'Neale, and Din is a good playoff core but is really missing that starter who can take scoring pressure off KD. This is why I keep going back to DeRozan because he fills a need and probably wouldn't take a lot to get: 1) he's towards the end of his career and the Bulls as is are going nowhere; 2) He's not really a good fit on any other contender

Otherwise, if it takes Claxton, Thomas, or any Nets picks to upgrade the roster, I wouldn't do it and if it means trading KD he can go.

NetsWorld · Post #3 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:32 pm

Tha King wrote:I think you look to see if some of the non-core players on the roster plus the Sixers and Mavs picks can upgrade the roster and bring in a second scorer. KD, Claxton, DFS, O'Neale, and Din is a good playoff core but is really missing that starter who can take scoring pressure off KD. This is why I keep going back to DeRozan because he fills a need and probably wouldn't take a lot to get: 1) he's towards the end of his career and the Bulls as is are going nowhere; 2) He's not really a good fit on any other contender

Otherwise, if it takes Claxton, Thomas, or any Nets picks to upgrade the roster, I wouldn't do it and if it means trading KD he can go.

I personally love the DFS, Dinwiddie move, they are rotation players that will help immensely. but Bulls are insisting on not being sellers at the deadline; there are always stubborn teams, see Portland, that continue to run the same core players out and it gets them no where. Marks saw this Nets team was a disaster off the court and he couldn't handle the egos, and he got rid of Harden/Kyrie. I just think KD needs to be in a no pressure situation; if the Bulls became sellers, and Derozan/Lavine were on the table, do you mortgage the future for it? Perhaps Lavine but Derozan is old and is part of that fold that KD is in as well. I wouldn't mind Derozan but the cost cannot be too high.

Netaman · Post #4 » by **Netaman** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:39 pm

jmo but i think this is the wrong take.

surveying the landscape the last 4 years there have been 7 different teams in the NBA finals and 4 different champs (bold).

toronto,
gs,
lal,
heat,
milwaukee,
phoenix,
gs,
boston.

in this version of the NBA you still need the MVP level player but defense and the 3 ball are great equalizers, and things can change rapidly. right now if you were going to pick a team to be in the finals more than once in the next 4 years i dont even know who you'd pick. boston or gs probably? but if those are the most likely teams they are nowhere near the duncan, shaq, lebron level teams. steph is about to turn 35 and he's never been the most durable guy to start with.

i also look at the list of teams above and think that tanking isn't what got them their best players. i think lebron is the only #1 overall pick to win on the list above and yet he made that appearance on his 4th stop as a FA whereas the previous generation was defined by who got lucky with ping pong balls to get Duncan or Shaq (and Lebron even though he bounced around as a FA).

so what does all of this mean? i think you build an organization around defense and shooting first with a competitive mindset. that gives you a chance to compete, especially in a big market where you are 1 trade demand away from being in play for a super star.

KD is already here and im really glad to see the team around him being built in that image. if he wants to be part of it i think this team does have a legitimate chance to go to the finals this year. With Vaughn instead of Nash they beat MIL and are probably up on boston 2-0 last year.

if he doesn't want to stick around then you cash him in for the best deal you can get and keep using whatever assets you can to build a great defensive and shooting team.

GYK · Post #5 » by **GYK** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:40 pm

Honestly the best move is to do whatever it takes to stay out of the lottery until 2030 or so. Even, god forbid, they were to move Durant the best move is to get post 2030 picks and take back what will keep them a playoff team until then. Nose spite your face moves might make you feel in control for a moment but are in fact terrible for you.

Tha King · Post #6 » by **Tha King** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:41 pm

NetsWorld wrote:
Tha King wrote:I think you look to see if some of the non-core players on the roster plus the Sixers and Mavs picks can upgrade the roster and bring in a second scorer. KD, Claxton, DFS, O'Neale, and Din is a good playoff core but is really missing that starter who can take scoring pressure off KD. This is why I keep going back to DeRozan because he fills a need and probably wouldn't take a lot to get: 1) he's towards the end of his career and the Bulls as is are going nowhere; 2) He's not really a good fit on any other contender

Otherwise, if it takes Claxton, Thomas, or any Nets picks to upgrade the roster, I wouldn't do it and if it means trading KD he can go.

I personally love the DFS, Dinwiddie move, they are rotation players that will help immensely. but Bulls are insisting on not being sellers at the deadline; there are always stubborn teams, see Portland, that continue to run the same core players out and it gets them no where. Marks saw this Nets team was a disaster off the court and he couldn't handle the egos, and he got rid of Harden/Kyrie. I just think KD needs to be in a no pressure situation; if the Bulls became sellers, and Derozan/Lavine were on the table, do you mortgage the future for it? Perhaps Lavine but Derozan is old and is part of that fold that KD is in as well. I wouldn't mind Derozan but the cost cannot be too high.

I wouldn't do anything more than Harris+ and the Sixers pick for DeRozan and Sixers/Mavs pick for LaVine. Something around Simmons and Sixers pick for DeRozan works too. That's it.

njnets62892 · Post #7 » by **njnets62892** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:45 pm

I don't think there's any chance the Nets find a superstar of their own in the next few years unless they get extremely lucky. Especially without the ability to tank. If you're trading KD it's to position yourself to acquire another superstar level player in the next couple of years.

sashaturiaf · Post #8 » by **sashaturiaf** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 4:05 pm

My stance is consistent, keep KD as long as he's happy. We've got the rarest asset in the NBA, a guy who can be a #1 option on a title team who also defends, getting the right role players around him is the easy part. Or at least it should be....

The alternative of trading him now does maximise our return from an asset perspective. But we will then effectively be saying we won't sniff a title in the next few seasons while still being unable to tank/rebuild until our debt to Houston is paid. So basically we'll be the Knicks

MrDollarBills · Post #9 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 4:08 pm

We don't have control of our picks. I trade Durant for a good return but part of me also wants to see how this plays out.

I just don't want the Nets to spend 3 1sts and Cam/Claxton only for KD to ask out in July.

TheNetsFan · Post #10 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 4:15 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:We don't have control of our picks. I trade Durant for a good return but part of me also wants to see how this plays out.

I just don't want the Nets to spend 3 1sts and Cam/Claxton only for KD to ask out in July.

Unless you're bringing in a younger, longer term star, I agree. I think part of the thinking with Simmons is that he'd be a big part of a post-KD core. In hindsight, Marks probably should have asked for Tobias instead, but no GM expected the back surgery & disappointingly slow return.

Stone · Post #11 » by **Stone** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 4:17 pm

From what is being put out there including the wiretap here on RealGM. KD is unlikely to be moved before the deadline. I hope that is the way it turns out for a few reasons. 1) there are only two days left before the deadline and moving KD involves thinking through the entire rebuilding process. I know it is probably inevitable but I would rather not rush into it. 2) We are already a lock to make the playoffs, why not live the lie and enjoy one last hurrah

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That being said, I'm ready to move on from KD ...IF that is what KD wants. Because on the other hand if he wants to stay and play the "Bus driver' or mentor role because now the Nets are indisputably his team. We won't know what he wants until we hear it from him.

If he wants to go ring chasing that's fine too. Then I would prefer to go back to the hybrid organic rebuilding process. After watching Cam and Nic give a good team with two legit superstars a fierce battle. I just want to watch a team that wants to accomplish the goal of goal of playing their hardest and putting the team above themselves.

TheNetsFan · Post #12 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 4:53 pm

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Tha King · Post #13 » by **Tha King** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 5:27 pm

Pelicans have always been the team that made the most sense. They can trade a lot without even including one of their picks or a key rotation player for them.

Post #14 » by **CalamityX12** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 5:47 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:

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all i gotta say is NOW they wanna start trade talks? LOL...

too late this season, offseason will be their move

NetsWorld · Post #15 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 5:57 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:

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all i gotta say is NOW they wanna start trade talks? LOL...

too late this season, offseason will be their move

NO is an intriguing option because you can pry Ingram away and Mccolum and a bunch of picks. But Ingram is a solid player to have. Esspecially if you can add another star in two years.

NetsWorld · Post #16 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 6:03 pm

Windy is also reporting no team wants to give us a star because they WANT KD OUT of Brooklyn. Do you guys not view that as sabotaging? Shouldn't the office do something about that? The Nets refused an offer from LA because it was a pathetic offer and the Lakers slam us with, "not negotiating in good faith". Why doesn't Marks return fire at the league? It's a joke, the media destroyed us and broke this team apart. Marks needs to fight back.

TheNetsFan · Post #17 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 6:13 pm

NetsWorld wrote:Windy is also reporting no team wants to give us a star because they WANT KD OUT of Brooklyn. Do you guys not view that as sabotaging? Shouldn't the office do something about that? The Nets refused an offer from LA because it was a pathetic offer and the Lakers slam us with, "not negotiating in good faith". Why doesn't Marks return fire at the league? It's a joke, the media destroyed us and broke this team apart. Marks needs to fight back.

I need to find that report. I don't buy it, but I'm sure there's some teams that may operate that way. Eastern conference teams with playoff/title aspirations likely want KD to be moved out west, and teams that believe they might be able to have a package good enough to land KD likely want him on the block. Everybody else likely doesn't care. There's just not many "stars" on the block.

Crives · Post #18 » by **Crives** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 8:05 pm

Mikal Bridges has become something special, worthy of KD centerpiece in a deal

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NetsWorld · Post #19 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 8:08 pm

Crives wrote:Mikal Bridges has become something special, worthy of KD centerpiece in a deal

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You may have to wait until the off season. Woj reported KD aint getting traded; we are going for one last hurrah it is more likely than not he will be traded but it won't be now. Nets will be looking for a plethora of assets, Bridges alone won't cut it.

Netaman · Post #20 » by **Netaman** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 8:10 pm

Crives wrote:Mikal Bridges has become something special, worthy of KD centerpiece in a deal

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i've always liked the phoenix deals and thought one was going to happen last summer but i dont think they ever went all in.

i dont see a trade before the deadline, but if phoenix goes all in with bridges/cam and all the picks maybe if the nets can't pry siakam out of toronto?

more likely i think it gets revisited in the summer if kd wants out.