Do you want Marks to be fired?

[Karate Diop]

Do you want Marks to be fired?

*Don't have time to elaborate, but I'm probably in the minority camp and going with "no"...

[Tha King]

No way.

tbh he didn't do that good of a job building around KD (i.e. no 3&D role players up until this season, not trading Harris a long time ago, not getting anything for Dinwiddie, etc.) but the ultimate result is down to one individual. In retrospect, he should have traded this individual two seasons ago before the Harden trade.

All that is done now and the team is rebuilding. There are only a few GMs I'd rather have than Marks in that situation.

[TheNetsFan]

I think he will, but I don't want him fired. He's proven to be a great drafter & excellent rebuild guy. Odds are we can't get a GM better than him, and given the way Tsai has churned through CEOs, I don't trust him to pick one with any staying power.

[gigantes]

HAIL no.

- Marks stayed patient, stuck to his guns, and got a vastly better haul for Durant than he would have if panicking fans had run the show this past summer.

- He supported his superstars to the nth degree until Kyrie finally flaked out one too many times, leading him to shift to an incentivized contract offer. I'm super proud of Tsai & Marks for keeping firm on that.

- He's great at finding talent here and there, and will now have his hands untied in a lot of ways, unlike the recent four-year nightmare that's finally over.

- Marks is undoubtedly a vastly more experienced, cannier exec than he started as, and whether here or elsewhere, I've no doubt he'll be a success anywhere he goes.

- While I can quibble with various of his offer sheets, signings and moves, overall he's done amazingly well for a 1st-time GM. Indeed, if he didn't have to deal with the virtually impossible situation of managing 2-3 superstar headcases (which most GM's would gladly have acquired), compounded by the hardship of a once in a 100yr pandemic, there's little doubt in my mind we would still be refraining In Marks We Trust.

All that said, I fully agree that this is his last, big opportunity to show his quality after leading the Nets through a log, embarrassing nightmare. Because sometimes the captain has to go down with his ship no matter what. So I personally give Marks ~two more years, then reevaluate.

[Netaman]

wow im surprisingly encouraged to see the results.

with 8 picks going forward there is no gm i'd rather have making those decisions and i shudder to think of how tsai would handle a gm search.

[MGrand15]

Marks wasn't perfect at all but even in the Kyrie/KD era there were so many things out of his control that made it all look worse.

Year 1: KD + Kyrie forced us into signing DeAndre Jordan. Then they were mad he wasn't starting when he was clearly washed. Kyrie had no interest in playing without KD. Kyrie ignored our medical staff, literally the best doctors in the world, to look into witch doctors. Kyrie + KD pushed Kenny Atkinson out the door. They wanted a players coach who would let them do what they want. This DIRECTLY led to the Nash signing.

Year 2: Marks built a championship team. Period. It got derailed by injuries.

Year 3: Harden came in out of shape and checked out before training camp. Kyrie refused to take the vaccine. Joe got injured. This team never had a chance. How different does everything go if everyone is actually locked in?

Year 4: We go 18-2 in our last 20 games with the duo. Clearly a championship roster with a tiny upgrade at the deadline.

Marks shouldn't be in charge of babysitting and ego managing. He built teams that could win. Every single year. If your stars don't bring it, you'll never have a chance.

[MrDollarBills]

I voted no.

He saved this franchise with these two trades. He's earned himself more time to set things right. We know what he's best at: finding talent, and we have a trove of assets and some parts still left to flip before the deadline.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks wasn't perfect at all but even in the Kyrie/KD era there were so many things out of his control that made it all look worse.

Year 1: KD + Kyrie forced us into signing DeAndre Jordan. Then they were mad he wasn't starting when he was clearly washed. Kyrie had no interest in playing without KD. Kyrie ignored our medical staff, literally the best doctors in the world, to look into witch doctors. Kyrie + KD pushed Kenny Atkinson out the door. They wanted a players coach who would let them do what they want. This DIRECTLY led to the Nash signing.

Year 2: Marks built a championship team. Period. It got derailed by injuries.

Year 3: Harden came in out of shape and checked out before training camp. Kyrie refused to take the vaccine. Joe got injured. This team never had a chance. How different does everything go if everyone is actually locked in?

Year 4: We go 18-2 in our last 20 games with the duo. Clearly a championship roster with a tiny upgrade at the deadline.

Marks shouldn't be in charge of babysitting and ego managing. He built teams that could win. Every single year. If your stars don't bring it, you'll never have a chance.

This post should be pinned to the top for the forum. It breaks down everything perfectly.

Stars matter in this league, but if your stars don't behave like adults, there's not much that can be done. The product on the court was the direct result of KD and Kyrie's toxic personalities.

[Netaman]

Marks wasn't perfect at all but even in the Kyrie/KD era there were so many things out of his control that made it all look worse.

Year 1: KD + Kyrie forced us into signing DeAndre Jordan. Then they were mad he wasn't starting when he was clearly washed. Kyrie had no interest in playing without KD. Kyrie ignored our medical staff, literally the best doctors in the world, to look into witch doctors. Kyrie + KD pushed Kenny Atkinson out the door. They wanted a players coach who would let them do what they want. This DIRECTLY led to the Nash signing.

Year 2: Marks built a championship team. Period. It got derailed by injuries.

Year 3: Harden came in out of shape and checked out before training camp. Kyrie refused to take the vaccine. Joe got injured. This team never had a chance. How different does everything go if everyone is actually locked in?

Year 4: We go 18-2 in our last 20 games with the duo. Clearly a championship roster with a tiny upgrade at the deadline.

Marks shouldn't be in charge of babysitting and ego managing. He built teams that could win. Every single year. If your stars don't bring it, you'll never have a chance.

remember 1 other thing year 2 that directly led to harden trade - kyrie went AWOL for a week on a mental health break. that's when marks got urgent about harden after not giving in to temptation for months. all of a sudden he knew KD had no ability to keep kyrie in line either.

99.9% of everything that went wrong involved kyrie.

and kyrie was the price of getting kd.

everyone except the homers knew kyrie was some level of insanely self destructive. nobody knew he'd be this destructive to his bff.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks wasn't perfect at all but even in the Kyrie/KD era there were so many things out of his control that made it all look worse.

Year 1: KD + Kyrie forced us into signing DeAndre Jordan. Then they were mad he wasn't starting when he was clearly washed. Kyrie had no interest in playing without KD. Kyrie ignored our medical staff, literally the best doctors in the world, to look into witch doctors. Kyrie + KD pushed Kenny Atkinson out the door. They wanted a players coach who would let them do what they want. This DIRECTLY led to the Nash signing.

Year 2: Marks built a championship team. Period. It got derailed by injuries.

Year 3: Harden came in out of shape and checked out before training camp. Kyrie refused to take the vaccine. Joe got injured. This team never had a chance. How different does everything go if everyone is actually locked in?

Year 4: We go 18-2 in our last 20 games with the duo. Clearly a championship roster with a tiny upgrade at the deadline.

Marks shouldn't be in charge of babysitting and ego managing. He built teams that could win. Every single year. If your stars don't bring it, you'll never have a chance.

remember 1 other thing year 2 that directly led to harden trade - kyrie went AWOL for a week on a mental health break. that's when marks got urgent about harden after not giving in to temptation for months. all of a sudden he knew KD had no ability to keep kyrie in line either.

99.9% of everything that went wrong involved kyrie.

and kyrie was the price of getting kd.

everyone except the homers knew kyrie was some level of insanely self destructive. nobody knew he'd be this destructive to his bff.

Don't forget the fact that while we were in a dog fight with OKC on a saturday night, Kyrie was out in South Orange partying in the middle of the pandemic.

They were doomed to fail, and it all started and ended with Kyrie. Good. RIDDANCE.

[TheNetsFan]

Marks wasn't perfect at all but even in the Kyrie/KD era there were so many things out of his control that made it all look worse.

Year 1: KD + Kyrie forced us into signing DeAndre Jordan. Then they were mad he wasn't starting when he was clearly washed. Kyrie had no interest in playing without KD. Kyrie ignored our medical staff, literally the best doctors in the world, to look into witch doctors. Kyrie + KD pushed Kenny Atkinson out the door. They wanted a players coach who would let them do what they want. This DIRECTLY led to the Nash signing.

Year 2: Marks built a championship team. Period. It got derailed by injuries.

Year 3: Harden came in out of shape and checked out before training camp. Kyrie refused to take the vaccine. Joe got injured. This team never had a chance. How different does everything go if everyone is actually locked in?

Year 4: We go 18-2 in our last 20 games with the duo. Clearly a championship roster with a tiny upgrade at the deadline.

Marks shouldn't be in charge of babysitting and ego managing. He built teams that could win. Every single year. If your stars don't bring it, you'll never have a chance.

remember 1 other thing year 2 that directly led to harden trade - kyrie went AWOL for a week on a mental health break. that's when marks got urgent about harden after not giving in to temptation for months. all of a sudden he knew KD had no ability to keep kyrie in line either.

99.9% of everything that went wrong involved kyrie.

and kyrie was the price of getting kd.

everyone except the homers knew kyrie was some level of insanely self destructive. nobody knew he'd be this destructive to his bff.

I forget what reporter/analyst said it, but he advocated for the Nets to deal Kyrie for whatever they could get immediately after the Harden trade. It was likely somebody from the Ringer. That was probably the smart move, but who knows how Kevin would have reacted.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks wasn't perfect at all but even in the Kyrie/KD era there were so many things out of his control that made it all look worse.

Year 1: KD + Kyrie forced us into signing DeAndre Jordan. Then they were mad he wasn't starting when he was clearly washed. Kyrie had no interest in playing without KD. Kyrie ignored our medical staff, literally the best doctors in the world, to look into witch doctors. Kyrie + KD pushed Kenny Atkinson out the door. They wanted a players coach who would let them do what they want. This DIRECTLY led to the Nash signing.

Year 2: Marks built a championship team. Period. It got derailed by injuries.

Year 3: Harden came in out of shape and checked out before training camp. Kyrie refused to take the vaccine. Joe got injured. This team never had a chance. How different does everything go if everyone is actually locked in?

Year 4: We go 18-2 in our last 20 games with the duo. Clearly a championship roster with a tiny upgrade at the deadline.

Marks shouldn't be in charge of babysitting and ego managing. He built teams that could win. Every single year. If your stars don't bring it, you'll never have a chance.

remember 1 other thing year 2 that directly led to harden trade - kyrie went AWOL for a week on a mental health break. that's when marks got urgent about harden after not giving in to temptation for months. all of a sudden he knew KD had no ability to keep kyrie in line either.

99.9% of everything that went wrong involved kyrie.

and kyrie was the price of getting kd.

everyone except the homers knew kyrie was some level of insanely self destructive. nobody knew he'd be this destructive to his bff.

I forget what reporter/analyst said it, but he advocated for the Nets to deal Kyrie for whatever they could get immediately after the Harden trade. It was likely somebody from the Ringer. That was probably the smart move, but who knows how Kevin would have reacted.

It was Bill Simmons.

This is why KD doesn't escape blame. He tied himself to the hip to Kyrie and enabled him. I hope he realizes that those 4 years of his career will never come back to him.

[CalamityX12]

What I want may or may not be differ of what should...

Do I want Marks fired? A sigh, with a barely for sure answer of No. My reasons were shared already in correct wording by you who are in favor of keeping him.

Are the results there for the firing? I believe so, it was a massive gamble, I do believe we were never constructed properly at all, I've posted it over n over like a parrot, the lack of size on the wings, energy hustle players to alleviate that energy waste from KD and importantly the lack of size that constantly hurt us. Marks defending Nash put a big no no on his resume for me. So he needs to be accountable for that.

However, we're in rebuild and he's proved to be a maestro in such environments. MDB said it finely, this will be his last rodeo if he doesn't produce after a chance to rebuild again.

[TheNetsFan]

What I want may or may not be differ of what should...

Do I want Marks fired? A sigh, with a barely for sure answer of No. My reasons were shared already in correct wording by you who are in favor of keeping him.

Are the results there for the firing? I believe so, it was a massive gamble, I do believe we were never constructed properly at all, I've posted it over n over like a parrot, the lack of size on the wings, energy hustle players to alleviate that energy waste from KD and importantly the lack of size that constantly hurt us. Marks defending Nash put a big no no on his resume for me. So he needs to be accountable for that.

However, we're in rebuild and he's proved to be a maestro in such environments. MDB said it finely, this will be his last rodeo if he doesn't produce after a chance to rebuild again.

It was massive gambles, but is this team left in the aftermath better than the 2018-2019 team? I believe it's much better. Is it better than the natural improvement that 2018-2019 team would have made? I think Bridges is better than any of those players. Claxton may not break out if Allen is still here. LeVert & DLo have plateaued. Dinwiddie is more experienced and at least as good as he was then. Our current role players are far better than that team had.

[njnets62892]

I've lost a lot of respect for the man but I think I'm flipping to a no for now. The Nets are entering the kind of situation he excels in which is rebuilding without lottery picks and minimal expectations. However, the second this team is close to contending again he should immediately be shown the door.

[NetsJets]

I’m conflicted because of the work he did for us a few years ago. I trust him to oversee another rebuild. Maybe if we build back into a winner we bring in someone that knows how to handle stars.

[Stone]

No.....for now. Let's wait until the dust settles and see how the payroll shake's out.

When we have cap space, can he bring in star players?

[sashaturiaf]

My thoughts are in the 'Marks greatest gaffes' thread.

He's lost my confidence in the way he handled the Harden trade and the subsequent contract negotiations. We'll be dealing with the fallout of those decisions for years to come.

[sashaturiaf]

No.....for now. Let's wait until the dust settles and see how the payroll shake's out.

When we have cap space, can he bring in star players?

Given the way we just parted with 3 first ballot hall of famers in 12 months. Unlikely unless if Tsai sells

[Sharcm1]

I’m going with yes. I used to defend him. Honestly thought he took an impossible situation and turned it into gold. He managed to get KD Kyrie and harden to this team. With what they had he turned it around. He turned basically no draft picks and no direction into levert and Harris and dinwiddie and Allen. What he did was remarkable.

But what he has done since what’s been horrible. You can’t lose Durant Irving and harden for the players we got. Not one star player. And keep your job.

I also thought his biggest mistake was Nash. Had we had a better coach maybe this would have gone differently. Nash let the players run the team. And it lead to a lot of these problems.