BRING BRUCE BROWN BACK: WE NEED YOUR HELP!

[JKiddy]

Please start a social media buzz with this. The Nets need Bruce Brown back STAT!

Kyrie and KD didn't want him. But, they are gone and we do not care what they want!

BRING BRUCE BROWN BACK!

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[vincecarter4pres]

Bro he’s getting like $12-15 mill a year for 3, not happening

[JKiddy]

DFS for Bruce Brown S&T?

[Netaman]

denver is restricted in how much they can spend to resign him to 7ish million so there won't be a S&T and he is almost definitely leaving denver.

the nets could have the full TPMLE (12.2m) to offer Brown x 4 years, so the only question is who else is willing to offer him that (or more)?

[JKiddy]

Give him TPMLE for 3 years in full. Bring him back. Apologize for the past morons who were here. LFG!

[vincecarter4pres]

I'll be honest, I'd love it. Then it really makes DFS and O'Neale completely expendable and it takes pressure off Marks to find a first year contributor with whatever picks we ultimately make this draft, so he can really swing for the fences.

He should swing for the fences no matter what imho, but Tsai might be in his ear a ton, if he knows behind the scenes he's getting Brown, not so much.

And it makes it easier to S&T Cam J, or not have a floor time logjam if he's retained.

[TheNetsFan]

I don't expect it. We'd have to free up the full MLE, which will be tough. It also only makes sense if DFS & O'Neale are dealt. Honestly, both are better fits with what we need right now, mostly due to size.

[Netaman]

I don't expect it. We'd have to free up the full MLE, which will be tough. It also only makes sense if DFS & O'Neale are dealt. Honestly, both are better fits with what we need right now, mostly due to size.

i disagree - both are older. brown is only 26 and has a versatile game. he showed up vs boston. if we can bring him in for 4 years at similar $/year and get assets for both of them it is a big win-win.

adding more draft capital for dfs/royce,
bringing back brown,

and finding a few other veteran pieces at pg/c to balance the roster would be a solid double offseason.

[GYK]

We got the passer to even make him look effective?

[JKiddy]

HE OPTED OUT!

Let's get that passer and bring him back STAT!

[Hello Brooklyn]

Let Bruce enjoy being on a contender with Jokic.

Don't bring him back to this nightmare of a franchise. Please.

[GTR11]

HE OPTED OUT!

Let's get that passer and bring him back STAT!

Ok i get the hot take part and past connection but, at what cost and how he helps us?

me, i'm happy for PowerGuard and wish him the best. We had our moments but, he isn't the piece we need moving forward. If we get to trade for Casen Wallace, he is what PowerGuard is right now.

[Netaman]

denver can only pay him like 7m.

nets (and many others) can offer him full TPMLE (4x12m). I would happily do that considering he's better than DFS/Royce.

only question is if a team with cap room goes bigger than that.

[3pt_chucker]

I don't expect it. We'd have to free up the full MLE, which will be tough. It also only makes sense if DFS & O'Neale are dealt. Honestly, both are better fits with what we need right now, mostly due to size.

i disagree - both are older. brown is only 26 and has a versatile game. he showed up vs boston. if we can bring him in for 4 years at similar $/year and get assets for both of them it is a big win-win.

adding more draft capital for dfs/royce,
bringing back brown,

and finding a few other veteran pieces at pg/c to balance the roster would be a solid double offseason.

You know ball.

[GTR11]

I don't expect it. We'd have to free up the full MLE, which will be tough. It also only makes sense if DFS & O'Neale are dealt. Honestly, both are better fits with what we need right now, mostly due to size.

i disagree - both are older. brown is only 26 and has a versatile game. he showed up vs boston. if we can bring him in for 4 years at similar $/year and get assets for both of them it is a big win-win.

adding more draft capital for dfs/royce,
bringing back brown,

and finding a few other veteran pieces at pg/c to balance the roster would be a solid double offseason.

You know ball.

No he ain't taking into consideration how CamJ contract will look like. At that point we only will have MmLE.

Ok let's dance from here:

We trade up for to draft player A. DFS or Royce out, thats a 1 maybe 2 of the cap after we sign draft A

How many teams willing/can take Din or Joe without a pick with no salary attached?

What if we don't? Still signing both will leave us with only MmLE and TPE ( which is 18m )

From what I'm seeing, Brown will fetch 12 to 15m. Are we going to sign him for that?

Personally, I'm good.

[Netaman]

i disagree - both are older. brown is only 26 and has a versatile game. he showed up vs boston. if we can bring him in for 4 years at similar $/year and get assets for both of them it is a big win-win.

adding more draft capital for dfs/royce,
bringing back brown,

and finding a few other veteran pieces at pg/c to balance the roster would be a solid double offseason.

You know ball.

No he ain't taking into consideration how CamJ contract will look like. At that point we only will have MmLE.

Ok let's dance from here:

We trade up for to draft player A. DFS or Royce out, thats a 1 maybe 2 of the cap after we sign draft A

How many teams willing/can take Din or Joe without a pick with no salary attached?

What if we don't? Still signing both will leave us with only MmLE and TPE ( which is 18m )

From what I'm seeing, Brown will fetch 12 to 15m. Are we going to sign him for that?

Personally, I'm good.

you are forgetting the sequencing. to get below the apron and get the NTMLE it's not that hard and if need be I think they could wait to execute the CJ deal beyond his current 17m cap hold until after they used the NTMLE on Brown.

their active roster right now is 146m.
cam j's cap hold is 17m, so 163m.

seth is a 16m cap hold so he could either be s&t'd or renounced. the rest are basically minimums.

so if they clear DFS (13.9m) + Royce (9.5m) they should have plenty of room to sign cam j and stay below the apron to get the full NTMLE.

at that point any other moves they make would just need to salary match and they'd have 46.8m in expiring deals to match with Dinwiddie/Harris/Mills. so let's say lillard or whoever hits the trade market, they still have maneuverability.

the main downside of using TPMLE is they probably remain a repeater but it's Tsai's $ not mine.

[ChuckS]

denver can only pay him like 7m.

nets (and many others) can offer him full TPMLE (4x12m). I would happily do that considering he's better than DFS/Royce.

only question is if a team with cap room goes bigger than that.

As always, I respect your knowledge of the game too much to say anything but that I will agree to disagree.

And I agree with your evaluation of Brown, except to how it compares to DFS and Royce, and our needs. He was excellent for us, and even more important to Denver who went only three deep for the most part in the finals, beyond its starters. I think, also, that we have two, or three, based on the apparent board opinion of Dinwiddie, greater needs before considering Bruce, who I think solves none of them. And I think ridding ourselves of two starting caliber players for anything other than solving even one of those needs would be unwise at this time.

O'Neale seems to have gathered a following, but I suspect DFS is undervalued based on his twenty some games thrown into a new and relatively dysfunctional offense compounded by four new starters. If you examine the career records of the three (in season and playoff) you will see that points difference is negligible, Brown has a better overall efficiency, and Royce and DFS significantly better three point shooting.

That leaves defense. I think all are excellent. It has been proven, to my satisfaction, that Royce and DFS have an advantage against brawn and size. Royce because of his equal wingspan (6'9") and approximately 230 pound strength, and DFS also because of weight and strength, but additionally his 7 foot wingspan. We have lacked size or we would not have had to play any of them as we have.

Having said all that, I would like any of them on my team. I just believe that replacing Brown, or either of the other two with Bruce, is not a priority at this time.

[Netaman]

denver can only pay him like 7m.

nets (and many others) can offer him full TPMLE (4x12m). I would happily do that considering he's better than DFS/Royce.

only question is if a team with cap room goes bigger than that.

As always, I respect your knowledge of the game too much to say anything but that I will agree to disagree.

And I agree with your evaluation of Brown, except to how it compares to DFS and Royce, and our needs. He was excellent for us, and even more important to Denver who went only three deep for the most part in the finals, beyond it's starters. I think, also, that we have two, or three, based on the apparent board opinion of Dinwiddie, greater needs before considering Bruce, who I think solves none of them. And I think ridding ourselves of two starting caliber players for anything other than solving even one of those needs would be unwise at this time.

O'Neale seems to have gathered a following, but I suspect DFS is undervalued based on his twenty some games thrown into a new and relatively dysfunctional offense compounded by four new starters. If you examine the career records of the three (in season and playoff) you will see that points difference is negligible, Brown has a better overall efficiency, and Royce and DFS significantly better three point shooting.

That leaves defense. I think all are excellent. It has been proven, to my satisfaction, that Royce and DFS have an advantage against brawn and size. Royce because of his equal wingspan (6'9") and approximately 230 pound strength, and DFS also because of weight and strength, but additionally his 7 foot wingspan. We have lacked size or we would not have had to play any of them as we have.

Having said all that, I would like any of them on my team. I just believe that replacing Brown, or either of the other two with Bruce, is not a priority at this time.

To some degree it comes down to what’s available. There’s not a lot in FA and mid level options are never that plentiful. Grant Williams is interesting, but I think I’d go Bruce. Either one would be a nice talent add even if they don’t play primary need positions. Brown being able to handle the ball though does add some value the same way Royce handling the ball has some value and Grant has some size which adds value same as DFS. Trading the existing guys for picks and signing one of the younger guys is where I see net asset creation without much of a drop off in talent.


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[ecuhus1981]

Bro he’s getting like $12-15 mill a year for 3, not happening

He's worth that. We probably can't afford him, but if I were Marks, I sure would offer him the full taxpayer MLE (3yrs, ~$23mil). Most likely, an upstart team with a bit more financial flexibility will offer him the non-taxpayer MLE (~3yrs, 38mil), or slightly above.

Kudos to Bruce.

[ecuhus1981]

Let Bruce enjoy being on a contender with Jokic.

Don't bring him back to this nightmare of a franchise. Please.

MOOD

Nah but for real, we aren't an ideal location for him anymore. Oddly enough, the people who maximize and benefit from Bruce's strengths are the very same folks who didn't want him back.

I consider Brown like Watanabe to an extent, where they are force multipliers. If you put them around tomato cans, they'll look bummy too. But when they get to play in the negative space around the gravity of a superstar, they're awesome.

Now, we're not tomato cans, but we don't *yet* have a world-bending superstar that would make the most out of Bruce's presence.