V.C. - J.O. trade

[BK Nets]

Thought this was interesting:

The Nets are still discussing a Vince Carter-Jermaine O

[rambo_ortega]

vc for oneal or randolph is nice for njn imo.

[kidd007]

we would have 8 big guys.Only way i do this trade is if we can ship a big mans and get a good SG.

[netsforever]

No.

No.

If that trade happens NOW, not in the 4 years with Kidd-VC-RJ that we've wanted to move one of our smalls for a big man, but after Kidd leaves?

I'll murder Rod Thorn, I swear.

[S.I.C. GM]

I was against RJ for JO, but with the current situaton of the Nets, VC for JO works for me.

According to hoopshype, VC is signed up until the 2010-2011 season with a Team Option the next year.

VC
2008-2009 - $15.2mil - 2009-2010 - 16.3mil - 2010-2011 - $17.3mil

While
JO
2008-2009 - $21.3mil - 2009-2010 - 22.9mil

Financially I would do this. We will get hit for 1 yr. If JO can be productive, we can probably trade him next year to a contender or to a sucker with expiring, young talent and picks too, like the NY knicks. Or we keep him and just let the contract expire.

[Sharcm1]

Carter and swift would make the jon trade happen.

I would do it if JON was healthy

[EFF]

No way i do this trade. VC plays. Jermaine does not.
There would be a gaping black hole at the 2 spot and no play makers. VC is our last guy who can. JO might benefit our front court when healthy and at the expense of our other bigs. But the detriment to our backcourt would overshadow any front line improvement.

[S.I.C. GM]

No way i do this trade. VC plays. Jermaine does not.
There would be a gaping black hole at the 2 spot and no play makers. VC is our last guy who can. JO might benefit our front court when healthy and at the expense of our other bigs. But the detriment to our backcourt would overshadow any front line improvement.

When this Kidd trade is finalized, we are in rebuilding mode, buddy.

Get rid of the bad long terms contracts. I dont mind losing and lottery for a few years.

I want to be the Portland of the East.

Lottery here we come. Thorn get us the next MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, or CP3(that can play SG).

[MazzNets]

In response to the above post by SIC.

I agree, however what we are hearing is that the Nets are looking into Mike Miller for Boki/Nachbar.

IF we were to make that trade the JO deal would be very logical considering.

In this case I'd say that if you do the Miller deal and then the JO deal you retooled your lineup and made your offense pretty potent.

The potential of having Harris/Miller/Jefferson/O'Neal/Krstic with Williams/Boone off the bench is pretty scary especially in the East.

I think the JO deal works even if we don't do the Miller deal because if he were to sit out this year and we lost a ton of games, got a lottery pick and turned that into a swingman or another solid big then you've got JO to groom that player or be a force on the interior, even in limited minutes because the depth is so great.

[LA_33]

The reason Thorn would do Carter for Jermaine (with a couple other pieces going to the Pacers to match salary and balance the roster, perhaps Krstic and Magloire, like in the previously rumored Jefferson-for-JO deals) is becuase O'Neal comes off the books in the summer of 2010, when LeBron (and Wade, Melo, and several other young stars) will be a FA.

Even with Harris and Jefferson still on the books, trading Vince and Krstic for JO would give the Nets max cap room in 2010, as long as Thorn didn't sign anyone for significant dollars in the interim. That's more than worth giving up Vince, even if the guy the Nets were getting back was totally useless, rather than a good player like JO, who just happens to miss 30 games every year (not that Krstic is much better, of course...)

In the meantime, when JO was healthy (60 games or so per year, probably) he'd be the best big on the team, and with Harris and Jefferson, the Nets would be a likely playoff team both of the next two years.

That's a great move for the Nets, in my book, unless they really don't think JO will ever be healthy again (at which point they can probably do better than $40M of useless salary in a different Carter deal).

[Rich Rane]

I was against RJ for JO, but with the current situaton of the Nets, VC for JO works for me.

According to hoopshype, VC is signed up until the 2010-2011 season with a Team Option the next year.

VC
2008-2009 - $15.2mil - 2009-2010 - 16.3mil - 2010-2011 - $17.3mil

While
JO
2008-2009 - $21.3mil - 2009-2010 - 22.9mil

Financially I would do this. We will get hit for 1 yr. If JO can be productive, we can probably trade him next year to a contender or to a sucker with expiring, young talent and picks too, like the NY knicks. Or we keep him and just let the contract expire.

Right on the moeny with what I was about to type. Damn you, SIC! You Devean George'd me!

[S.I.C. GM]

The reason Thorn would do Carter for Jermaine (with a couple other pieces going to the Pacers to match salary and balance the roster, perhaps Krstic and Magloire, like in the previously rumored Jefferson-for-JO deals) is becuase O'Neal comes off the books in the summer of 2010, when LeBron (and Wade, Melo, and several other young stars) will be a FA.

Even with Harris and Jefferson still on the books, trading Vince and Krstic for JO would give the Nets max cap room in 2010, as long as Thorn didn't sign anyone for significant dollars in the interim. That's more than worth giving up Vince, even if the guy the Nets were getting back was totally useless, rather than a good player like JO, who just happens to miss 30 games every year (not that Krstic is much better, of course...)

I didnt want to go there, but I totally agree. IMO that is also why the Nets tried their best to get rid of Kidd. They didnt want potential FAs to think that the Organization didnt care or looked like heels.

Lebron, Wade, and Melo (not really interested) will be FA. I am not sure if we will be in the running. To have to money available and moving to Brooklyn, might be a big plus to land them. If Kidd is still decent, he could consider coming back for less.

[S.I.C. GM]

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Right on the moeny with what I was about to type. Damn you, SIC! You Devean George'd me!

Sorry, I Cock Georged you.

[Antti22]

I have read that kinda threads in here for a while with nothing to say about it, but i cant anymore.
How can you even think VC AND some for JO.
JO is a scrub! Most injury prone player around. I wouldnt even do RJ for JO, not talking about VC. JO gives you maybe maximum 60 games a season, and then doesnt do that much either. He is same age as VC. And JO is WAAAAAY past his prime, if he even has had any prime.

Most stupidest trade proposal ive seen.

[Rich Rane]

I have read that kinda threads in here for a while with nothing to say about it, but i cant anymore.
How can you even think VC AND some for JO.
JO is a scrub! Most injury prone player around. I wouldnt even do RJ for JO, not talking about VC. JO gives you maybe maximum 60 games a season, and then doesnt do that much either. He is same age as VC. And JO is WAAAAAY past his prime, if he even has had any prime.

Most stupidest trade proposal ive seen.

Careful, what goes around comes around.

Sorry, but it's become very noticeable the last three seasons RJ and VC can't coexist, especially in the playoffs. We need a good big to change the offense and how defenses play us. We become more versatile and more unpredictable.

[vincecarter4pres]

I would still rather have a lineup of Carter and JO over RJ JO.

Carter and JO both demand double teams, RJ does not.

I would like the Miller move as well, because I think he is one of the point blank most underrated palyers in the league period.

I would still rather have BRand for RJ and Krstic though.

[S.I.C. GM]

I have read that kinda threads in here for a while with nothing to say about it, but i cant anymore.
How can you even think VC AND some for JO.
JO is a scrub! Most injury prone player around. I wouldnt even do RJ for JO, not talking about VC. JO gives you maybe maximum 60 games a season, and then doesnt do that much either. He is same age as VC. And JO is WAAAAAY past his prime, if he even has had any prime.

Most stupidest trade proposal ive seen.

You dont seem to understand. Let me explain so you can.

Kidd is Gone. VC should be next. Draft Picks. Short Contracts. Rebuild!

As far as the most stupidest trade, Tell that to Thorn and Bird. Clearly this is being discussed by them.

[Antti22]

But a team cant deal all its components. It has to make money, put people into the seats. JO has 2 more years if im not mistaking? That is too long, he is well overpaid aswell.
Rather wait for summer to trade VC (if all) for a better contract. But you cant give up VC and some people for a horrid 2 years left contract for a useless player. Get us some real player, not JO.

[BK Nets]

uhmmm.. Brooklyn anyone? i totally believe they will be rebuilding with the ultimate long term goal of having a champioship caliber team for Brooklyn.

a long term goal consists of stages, and building. we have a top GM in the league in Rod, trust him with the wheel and sit back for the ride.

[aussienet]

I'm confused. If Thorn stopped a Trade/Signing for SAR cos of his knee why are we about to go down the same path?

As for the trade itself I'm neither here nor there. I don't mind seein VC play with this team. Or if we do make the trade we have to do the memphis deal and get Miller. Just my thoughts.


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