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Devin Harris was the #1 best pg defender in the league and now will be only second to Westbrook. You can argue Kidd as a better defender but he can't guard the quick guards and Harris compared to Kidd next year I am taking Harris.

I am thinking this year the Nets can turn it all around as long as they don't do anything stupid like trading RJ.
Vince Carter needs to go for sure but he is still an allstar caliber player. Luckily for him Harris and RJ can guard the best of the wings and let Carter guard the weakest until we can trade Carter. If they trade Carter for a guy with some D who can still put the ball in the basket they can possibly get homecourt in the playoffs, even if they don't.

They will be adding Kristic and adding the 10th pick and Williams will be much better.
Harris gets better every year and is getting closer to his prime and they are geling.

This is a good team

Kristic
Williams
RJ
Carter
Harris

Williams
Nachbar
10th pick

If they trade the 10th pick it should be for David Lee if he is there. 12 and 12 would be pretty nice and he can really start alot of breaks.

1. Devin Harris is good defensively but he's probably on the same level as Kidd... Harris' defense is overrated at times...

2. There's no way Westbrook is going to be the best defensive point guard next year...

3. At this point in time I'd rather trade Jefferson than Carter.

HOWEVER...

The Nets did get GREAT value for Kidd so overall I am happy with the outcome of the trade...

totally agree with netsforce his d is overrated, and westbrook wont be #1 as a rookie. I agree with all of netsforce points, we should be thrilled with the trade, it was a robbery.

Also devin harris is not the best defensive pg in the league.

If the Nets trade carter for anything less than a legit post presence then i'm sure we'll have a much better chance of getting a top 3 pick next year

Dexmor wrote:Devin Harris was the #1 best pg defender in the league and now will be only second to Westbrook. You can argue Kidd as a better defender but he can't guard the quick guards and Harris compared to Kidd next year I am taking Harris.

I am thinking this year the Nets can turn it all around as long as they don't do anything stupid like trading RJ.
Vince Carter needs to go for sure but he is still an allstar caliber player. Luckily for him Harris and RJ can guard the best of the wings and let Carter guard the weakest until we can trade Carter. If they trade Carter for a guy with some D who can still put the ball in the basket they can possibly get homecourt in the playoffs, even if they don't.

They will be adding Kristic and adding the 10th pick and Williams will be much better.
Harris gets better every year and is getting closer to his prime and they are geling.

This is a good team

Kristic
Williams
RJ
Carter
Harris

Williams
Nachbar
10th pick

If they trade the 10th pick it should be for David Lee if he is there. 12 and 12 would be pretty nice and he can really start alot of breaks.

Our team needs more than what you are outlining and acquiring David Lee would be a waste of time.

RJ will go before VC. Personally, I'd like to see both shipped out.

I do not believe that Devin Harris is a starting caliber point guard for a team that is trying to make a legitamite run at the NBA finals. I just do not believe that he is an elite guard in the league. However, he may make a nice backup.

As for who should go: I think one of either Carter or Jefferson should go as well. This is a rebuilding process and I believe that the Nets should really begin to collect young talent to build around. Personally, I believe that RJ should stay and that the Nets should acquire as much young talent as possible for Vince.

New Jersey won the trade: 25 y/o Harris>35 y/o Kidd

Also, Chris Paul is the best defensive point guard. No way will Westbrook be a top defender next year.

jman3134 wrote:I do not believe that Devin Harris is a starting caliber point guard for a team that is trying to make a legitamite run at the NBA finals. I just do not believe that he is an elite guard in the league. However, he may make a nice backup.

As for who should go: I think one of either Carter or Jefferson should go as well. This is a rebuilding process and I believe that the Nets should really begin to collect young talent to build around. Personally, I believe that RJ should stay and that the Nets should acquire as much young talent as possible for Vince.

If Rajon Rondo, Derek Fisher, Jason Williams, Daniel Gibson have all been the starting PG for teams who have reached the finals. Devin Harris can sure as hell be a starting PG for a contender.

EDIT: He was the starting PG for the 2006 Dallas Mavericks that were 2 wins away from a championship, remember??

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If Rajon Rondo, Derek Fisher, Jason Williams, Daniel Gibson have all been the starting PG for teams who have reached the finals. Devin Harris can sure as hell be a starting PG for a contender.

EDIT: He was the starting PG for the 2006 Dallas Mavericks that were 2 wins away from a championship, remember??

Still they never won it. And, he was one of the weaker links on that Mavs team.

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If Rajon Rondo, Derek Fisher, Jason Williams, Daniel Gibson have all been the starting PG for teams who have reached the finals. Devin Harris can sure as hell be a starting PG for a contender.

EDIT: He was the starting PG for the 2006 Dallas Mavericks that were 2 wins away from a championship, remember??

I think what all those guys and Harris have in common that they can't do like Paul, Deron, Roy, Kidd, Nash is that they can't put a team on their back and win games. None of those guys could lead a team, but rather play on the shoulders of the KGs, the Kobes, the Shaqs, or the LeBrons...I shouldn't pluralize those, but you know what I mean.

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I think what all those guys and Harris have in common that they can't do like Paul, Deron, Roy, Kidd, Nash is that they can't put a team on their back and win games. None of those guys could lead a team, but rather play on the shoulders of the KGs, the Kobes, the Shaqs, or the LeBrons...I shouldn't pluralize those, but you know what I mean.

Exactly. And without the Kobes, Kgs, and Shaqs, what sort of promise do the Nets have a title contention?

Wait, so Harris is a bum now? I must have missed the memo

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I think what all those guys and Harris have in common that they can't do like Paul, Deron, Roy, Kidd, Nash is that they can't put a team on their back and win games. None of those guys could lead a team, but rather play on the shoulders of the KGs, the Kobes, the Shaqs, or the LeBrons...I shouldn't pluralize those, but you know what I mean.

That's the thing, none of those guys you just mentioned has a ring. This is a stars league, of course Harris isn't going to be the player to take us to the finals. With the exception of billups, no other team in the last 15 years has had there PG lead them to the finals win.

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I do not believe that Devin Harris is a starting caliber point guard for a team that is trying to make a legitamite run at the NBA finals. I just do not believe that he is an elite guard in the league. However, he may make a nice backup.

I'll say it again, if Rondo, Fisher and J Williams ALL have rings as starting PG then harris shouldn't be our main concern.

I'll say it again, if Rondo, Fisher and J Williams ALL have rings as starting PG then harris shouldn't be our main concern.

The more you say it does not make it right. This is like saying that you should not upgrade at a certain position simply because other less talented players have had rings. But, as previously mentioned, the Nets do not have Kobe nor Wade. So we should get rid of Jefferson because he is not on par with either of those two? You upgrade where and when you can.

jman3134 wrote:

I'll say it again, if Rondo, Fisher and J Williams ALL have rings as starting PG then harris shouldn't be our main concern.

The more you say it does not make it right. This is like saying that you should not upgrade at a certain position simply because other less talented players have had rings. But, as previously mentioned, the Nets do not have Kobe nor Wade. So we should get rid of Jefferson because he is not on par with either of those two? You upgrade where and when you can.

So we should get rid of a 25 year old PG who has been to the finals before and would have a ring hadn't been for wade's 35 FA per game??

I don't get how he'll never reach the finals as a starter when he's already accomplished it.

We're set at the 1 for MANY MANY years. Out biggest concerns should be PF/C Now and SG in a few years.

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Actually that's not my point at all. YOU said that Harris wasn't ''a starting caliber point guard for a team that is trying to make a legitamite run at the NBA finals''. Than how can you explain the 3 names I mentioned before.

I believe we're set at the PG position for MANY MANY years. Out biggest concern should PF/C Now and SG in a few years.

I think he's solid and will be on our team for a while. People are obsessed with a high scoring PG now. Put 4 other guys on the floor that can finish, make Harris a distributor who doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes but can knock down the J when needed. That's my kind of PG. He can penetrate and dish as good as any above average PG in the league. You don't need the PG to "carry" you. Every championship team has 1, superstar, an all-star caliber sidekick, an above average big man, a PG that doesn't make mistakes and can run the offense, and role players that will play to their last breath and excel in their role.

Bottom line is: we don't need Harris to be the guy who "takes over games." We need him to be the guy who makes our "take over the game" guy's life a little easier when it's time for him to "take over the game." We put too much pressure on him because he was the main focus in the Kid deal. He's gonna get burnt out if we have these impossible expectations.

I honestly like Harris as the Nets own Tony-Parker-Type point guard. Harris isn't quite at a Tony Parker level yet but his ability to get into the lane and finish at the rim is top notch.

Harris isn't ever going to be a pass-first point guard but pass-first point guards are overrated... Nowadays point guards aren't the only players capable of being playmakers, with the evolution of basketball you now have shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, and even centers who can be "playmakers"

jeff1624 wrote:That's the thing, none of those guys you just mentioned has a ring. This is a stars league, of course Harris isn't going to be the player to take us to the finals. With the exception of billups, no other team in the last 15 years has had there PG lead them to the finals win.

jeff1624 wrote:I'll say it again, if Rondo, Fisher and J Williams ALL have rings as starting PG then harris shouldn't be our main concern.

Preludepunk27 wrote:I think he's solid and will be on our team for a while. People are obsessed with a high scoring PG now. Put 4 other guys on the floor that can finish, make Harris a distributor who doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes but can knock down the J when needed. That's my kind of PG. He can penetrate and dish as good as any above average PG in the league. You don't need the PG to "carry" you. Every championship team has 1, superstar, an all-star caliber sidekick, an above average big man, a PG that doesn't make mistakes and can run the offense, and role players that will play to their last breath and excel in their role.

Bottom line is: we don't need Harris to be the guy who "takes over games." We need him to be the guy who makes our "take over the game" guy's life a little easier when it's time for him to "take over the game." We put too much pressure on him because he was the main focus in the Kid deal. He's gonna get burnt out if we have these impossible expectations.

You guys are all correct, but I think you might have missed my point. No, Harris is not our biggest concern. Not by a longshot. My point was if we don't have those superstars (VC and RJ isn't enough. We all know that), we're not contenders. We don't have the type of players that guys like Rondo, Harris in Dallas, Fisher, and J Williams had. Harris isn't the type of PG to put the Nets on his back and win games like Kidd did. Once again, is that our biggest concern? No, not at all.

Rich Rane wrote:

jeff1624 wrote:That's the thing, none of those guys you just mentioned has a ring. This is a stars league, of course Harris isn't going to be the player to take us to the finals. With the exception of billups, no other team in the last 15 years has had there PG lead them to the finals win.

jeff1624 wrote:I'll say it again, if Rondo, Fisher and J Williams ALL have rings as starting PG then harris shouldn't be our main concern.

Preludepunk27 wrote:I think he's solid and will be on our team for a while. People are obsessed with a high scoring PG now. Put 4 other guys on the floor that can finish, make Harris a distributor who doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes but can knock down the J when needed. That's my kind of PG. He can penetrate and dish as good as any above average PG in the league. You don't need the PG to "carry" you. Every championship team has 1, superstar, an all-star caliber sidekick, an above average big man, a PG that doesn't make mistakes and can run the offense, and role players that will play to their last breath and excel in their role.

Bottom line is: we don't need Harris to be the guy who "takes over games." We need him to be the guy who makes our "take over the game" guy's life a little easier when it's time for him to "take over the game." We put too much pressure on him because he was the main focus in the Kid deal. He's gonna get burnt out if we have these impossible expectations.

You guys are all correct, but I think you might have missed my point. No, Harris is not our biggest concern. Not by a longshot. My point was if we don't have those superstars (VC and RJ isn't enough. We all know that), we're not contenders. We don't have the type of players that guys like Rondo, Harris in Dallas, Fisher, and J Williams had. Harris isn't the type of PG to put the Nets on his back and win games like Kidd did. Once again, is that our biggest concern? No, not at all.

I think the only way, at this point at least with me, the ONLY way I'm sending Harris out is if we were getting a legit 4 coming in. Is JO that guy? No he's not worth moving Harris, but I would be love to do a Sign-And-Trade for Elton Brand. I'll take a core of RJ/Vince/Brand w/repaired achilles over Harris/RJ/Vince every day of the week. Then go sign Pargo who would basically be our version of Rondo only a better shooter and giggle about how nice life is even with the housing/gas/recession crisis we're in.