Kings/Nets Trade

KM44 · Post #1 » by **KM44** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:51 pm

It seems to look like you guys have put together quite a roster since the kidd trade, and a solid SF could take you guys close to the top of the East again. The kings are looking to trade artest away and you guys need a 3, so how about we make a deal.

The kings want a young, powerful PF, and you guys recently aquired Yi, so Sean Williams is now possible trade bait. I was thinking a trade that goes something like this:

Kings trade Artest & Quincy Douby for Sean Williams & Swift.

The kings fans would probably ask for Marcus williams as well, but would settle without him. If they would be willing to part ways with him, the kings would most likely add a 2nd round pick or sheldon williams.

Now I can see what people will say: Artest is crazy, he is only a rental, ect... Well, you guys have a nice full roster except for a starting SF, and you guys could also use some defense, so Artest on the court makes a lot of sense. As for being a rental, he has said multiple times that he would like to be in NY, and the nets are moving to brooklyn in a few years, giving him an incentive to stay. And Artest's mental condition is the only reason why we would settle for a good prospect and not a perrinial all star. There is a risk in taking artest when it comes to distractions off the court, but I have come to the conclusion that he only makes noise if he's angry. Having a great roster where he does not have to take the offensive load (Carter) and a terrific young PG (Harris) while living in/near NY, he would be a happy camper.

Nets lineup looks like this:

Harris- Douby/Williams
Carter- Hassel
Artest- Simmons
Yi- Sheldon Williams
Lopez- Boone

That is quite a lineup for both now and the future, and I really don't think that you can find a better player when it comes to talent then Artest on the block at the SF position. So this comes down to whether you guys are willing to give up the Williams' for Artest. Is it a possibility?

Serpo · Post #2 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:17 pm

I don't think we still look for an SF that much with Hayes and Najera aquire . We just want Swift and Hassel gone.

Nets44 · Post #3 » by **Nets44** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:21 pm

Talent wise I like what we get but I don't want Artest on my team at any cost..

Serpo · Post #4 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:27 pm

I wouldn't trade one year of Sean Williams for one year of Artest . He's not staying here and Sean while could be traded won't be traded for a 1 year rental of Ron Ron.

NetsForce · Post #5 » by **NetsForce** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:28 pm

I'd rather do:

Marcus Williams + Swift + Boone for Ron Artest + Douby

And then the Nets would trade Ron Artest later on in the season... I basically don't want to give up Sean Williams for someone the Nets would end up having to move / lose anyway.

KM44 · Post #6 » by **KM44** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:36 pm

Well, once again, I addressed what the first two posts already said. Artest is a risk, but the talent is what you are factoring into this deal. Then, Artest wouldn't be a rental if you guys kept him happy, because he wouldn't mind sticking with the nets until they get to NY. As for the last post, the kings will only do this deal if sean williams is involved. From your eyes, I understand not wanting to let go of Williams, he's talented, but he is really superfluous now that you guys have Yi. If you keep Williams, then the Yi will not get the time required to develop into the star he can be. That would mean that the Yi for Jefferson trade (that's just the jist of it) was a complete waste. You have to look at it as a Artest, Yi, and Simmons for Jefferson and Williams. The kings would add more if you wanted it- Sheldon Williams or 2nd round pick. Hell, lets say both.

Serpo · Post #7 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:45 pm

Of course he would be a rental because we wouldn't resign him .

Whoever we aquire right now gets either a very manageable contract from us or expires in 2010. And we just can't re-sign Artest at the money he'll be seeking . That doesn't fit the Nets long-term plans.

Adam1221 · Post #8 » by **Adam1221** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:46 pm

It is an interesting situation but the East is just too good right now so getting somewhat competitive is pointless at this point for the Nets/

KM44 · Post #9 » by **KM44** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:53 pm

I don't understand why you guys wouldn't resign him, but I guess that would be your personal opinion.

The East is getting tougher, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to improve your team. My guess is that the kings will trade artest to whatever east team is willing to offer one of their top PF prospects, and that team will immediately compete in the East. If you look at the entire eastern conference, it is amazing how much better it has gotten, but it is even more impressive how close in talent these teams are. Literally every team is one piece away from volting to the top, and Artest is the PERFECT player to do that. But, I do understand what you guys are saying about not gaining from artest. It looks like you are rebuilding a little, but your roster looks like it could use artest in my eyes.

Serpo · Post #10 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:04 pm

The Problem with re-signing Artest would be what to with Carter then . It's hard to find a market for him . Artest most likely looks for something similar then what Carter recived at the same age Carter recived it .

Would you rather pay Carter 3 years or Artest 5 years ?

KM44 · Post #11 » by **KM44** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:08 pm

Well, that comes down to if you can dump salary. You guys really shot yourselves in the foot by signing najera and haynes becasue they are not great players, so they will just be roster fillers. If you shed all of your extra salaries and keep those core guys (Carter, Harris, Lopez, Yi, Artest, Boone) then it is possible. It comes down to depth or talent? Take your pick

Serpo · Post #12 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:12 pm

Well we had 3 very talented players in the past but no depth , lets just try it with depth this time.

It was essentially RJ , VC , Kidd + fillers that couldn't do much and that really didn't work well.

KM44 · Post #13 » by **KM44** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:19 pm

True, but that was 3 players. You have 6 here. There's a big difference there. I do understand what you are saying, but I will have to disagree. Look what Boston did this year, they got their core and built on it. Look at any great team! They build a core and grow from there. Right now, you guys have a solid young group, but you are lacking a great SF. I understand why you wouldn't want to do this, but it makes sense in my mind.

Serpo · Post #14 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:28 pm

Artest for one year is just not long enough to evaluate how exactly he will fit into the Nets system with all the young guys that'll hopefully develop along the way.

KM44 · Post #15 » by **KM44** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:34 pm

One full year isn't enough? That seems sufficient to me. If this deal gets done in the next week, big hypothetical, then he could work with the teams younger guys, help them grow, teach them work ethic, but not take full charge. It will still be vince's team, and because of that, Artest won't have to be the #1, allowing him to lose the spotlight and just play basketball. In Sac, he is our leader, and that is a problem because he isn't a leader! This is a trade that has a fair amount of hypotheticals, but it could turn out very well for both teams.

Serpo · Post #16 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:44 pm

I just don't believe Ron will stay no matter what we do . Maybe i'm wrong but i can't see him willing to stay .

KM44 · Post #17 » by **KM44** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:44 am

Okay, so after taking this to the kings board and seeing what you guys have to say, I think that this trade probably won't happen.

The consensus trade is Ron Artest and Quincy Douby for Sean Williams, Marcus Williams and Stromile Swift.

That is the trade proposed and it most likely won't happen. Thank you for your comments

Post #18 » by **Rich Rane** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:51 am

I doubt we trade for another 3, let alone give up two 4s to get him. I like Artest. I just don't want him at the moment.

deviljets7 · Post #19 » by **deviljets7** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:51 am

Honestly it's an example of the wrong place at the wrong time.

Artest is a very talented player, but even with an Artest for Sean Williams swap, this team IMO is likely a .500 team at best. With that being the case, this trade makes no sense for NJ when Artest would be a 1-year solution. I can't see them dumping Jefferson for 2010/11 cap space, only to then use it on an older SF in Artest.

mack69 · Post #20 » by **mack69** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:12 pm

You make a compelling an argument. However, you forget the deal from your way would mean you want us to take back a bad contract along with Artest. The deal are not as easy as you would suggest.

Our team is commited to developing its young talent over the next two seasons. Artest would be an outstanding pick up. Our lockerroom has to be positive in order for the kids to develop. Rod and Kiki especially Kiki has probably consider this but because of the rebuilding plan these kids are like diamonds at this point.

No way at this point would they bring in a volatile player like Artest in for one year.