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Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:29 am
by ecuhus1981
Let's say both of these offers are on the table, and we have to choose. If Thorn and Kiki were set on moving Krstic, which player would you rather get:
Josh Childress - Versatile, unselfish, and may become a solid star in this league with starter's minutes. Great value, low risk, low maintenance.
J.R. Smith - Gifted scorer from NJ who has his Artest moments, but also shows great long-term potential. High risk, high reward.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:53 am
by Preludepunk27
If we HAD to move Krstic, I think it's a no brainer with Childress. He's young but a very high character guy. Can definitely be a starting 3 in this league. Very high IQ. Will do what is needed. Depending on the contract they come to (since he'll move back to the 6 man if we actually landed Lebron), it's a no brainer between him and Smith. I still would rather move Swift/Hassel/Marcus/Ager and sign Krstic long and on the cheap and add a vet PG and call it the day.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:41 am
by 60cent
Smith can be lazy at times but Childress is pure hassle and that's gonna help us a lot. With Najera, CRD and hopefully Childress, we're gonna triple the need that we were lacking the most last year.
I've seen Childress in many occasions embarrass the heck out of RJ. There was this moment and i can still see it in my mind, when RJ was really close in getting the rebound, in fact, the ball was about to land to RJ and all he had to do was jump a little but there was Childress beating him to the ball. And i can still remember screaming to RJ, in front of my TV, in disgust.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:25 am
by aussienet
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Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:31 am
by lurkingobeiscity
I'd love to have both guys, but none of this is viable with regards to the Nets long term plans unless Carter is moved, which is something I don't anticipate. It would be a very risky gamble for the Nets salary-wise. Right now, I think the smartest thing to do is make a few smaller moves to balance the roster, then develop the talent on the team for a year (maybe look to trade Carter at the deadline if he plays well and the markets in our favor).
We can't expect to address everything in one offseason. Having a young talented wing player would be nice but you have to remember we have two more drafts and free agency periods before we plan to be competitive. We will have a chance to add top tier wing talent (more potential than either Childress or Smith) over the next few years. Right now the only young talent the team should target is the kind that will be on rookie contracts past the 2010 offseason. If management does it right (like the Blazers) then you get a young team with a fantastic talent level and one year to peruse free agency.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:30 pm
by ecuhus1981
We are going to be competitive this year. We're going to have to trot out a starting five ALOT worse than
Harris, Carter, Najera, Jianlian, Lopez
to have a losing record in the East.
In any case, mgmt has already said they are open to bringing back salary in a Krstic S&T, so I don't know where you're getting this idea that the Nets FO refuses to take on any more salary. For goodness sakes, we're shopping extra parts (Ager, Hassell) around for capspace, just to make a better offer for Dooling. We are still open for the business of signing FAs, lo, and business is booming.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:52 pm
by deviljets7
ecuhus1981 wrote:We are going to be competitive this year. We're going to have to trot out a starting five ALOT worse than
Harris, Carter, Najera, Jianlian, Lopez
to have a losing record in the East.
Unless Lopez/Yi have big years that is not the starting lineup of an above .500 team. That's not a better starting lineup than what ATL/PHI threw out there and if you didn't notice, they were below .500 teams.
The answer to the original question is Chilldress for me. Though I'd deal Krstic for Smith as well.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:15 pm
by Cruzeirao
I choose Childress.
Smith could be better, but he is going to demand more money and he is crazy (like the original poster said). I also think he is selfish. Shoots a lot of 3s and had problems with every coach he played.
Childress could be our SG for the future with Lebron. He is a solid player. Not great, but a good guy to have if we someday got Lebron.
Harris, Childress, Carter, Yi and Boone.
In the future:
Harris, Childress, Lebron, Yi and Lopez.
And a very strong bench with VC (will play like Stackhouse for Dallas), Sean Williams (he can be great. Will be?), Boone and some guys we will draft.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:29 pm
by lurkingobeiscity
ecuhus1981 wrote:We are going to be competitive this year. We're going to have to trot out a starting five ALOT worse than
Harris, Carter, Najera, Jianlian, Lopez
to have a losing record in the East.
In any case, mgmt has already said they are open to bringing back salary in a Krstic S&T, so I don't know where you're getting this idea that the Nets FO refuses to take on any more salary. For goodness sakes, we're shopping extra parts (Ager, Hassell) around for capspace, just to make a better offer for Dooling. We are still open for the business of signing FAs, lo, and business is booming.
Where did you hear that? Because the most the Nets can offer Dooling is 2.1 mil (remaining MLE) unless there is a sign and trade.
And the buzz around Krstic is that they don't want to give him more than two years. They are open to a sign and trade but if they don't want to pay Krstic multiple years it probably goes the same for any FA they bring in. That would jeopardize the possibilities that were created by the Jefferson deal.
BTW, that is not a 41+ win team unless someone plays well above what is expected. I'd expect a lot closer to 30 wins.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:44 pm
by Al n' Perk No Layups!
aussienet wrote:guy's call me (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if you want. but I can't seem to work out how to create a new post. Yeah i'm from australia and no a dingo didn't take my baby.
Right...
Anyways, I believe you just created a new post. If you mean you need help on posting a new topic, then at the above all of the topics (right next to the search feature) and bottom of the page (just below all the topics) there is a "New Topic" button with an asterisk. Just click that and make your topic (make sure to include a title).
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:12 am
by Preludepunk27
lurkingobeiscity wrote:ecuhus1981 wrote:We are going to be competitive this year. We're going to have to trot out a starting five ALOT worse than
Harris, Carter, Najera, Jianlian, Lopez
to have a losing record in the East.
In any case, mgmt has already said they are open to bringing back salary in a Krstic S&T, so I don't know where you're getting this idea that the Nets FO refuses to take on any more salary. For goodness sakes, we're shopping extra parts (Ager, Hassell) around for capspace, just to make a better offer for Dooling. We are still open for the business of signing FAs, lo, and business is booming.
Where did you hear that? Because the most the Nets can offer Dooling is 2.1 mil (remaining MLE) unless there is a sign and trade.
And the buzz around Krstic is that they don't want to give him more than two years. They are open to a sign and trade but if they don't want to pay Krstic multiple years it probably goes the same for any FA they bring in. That would jeopardize the possibilities that were created by the Jefferson deal.
BTW, that is not a 41+ win team unless someone plays well above what is expected. I'd expect a lot closer to 30 wins.
As much as I like our roster right now, I'm in 100 agreement there. If we finish better than our record this year, I'm gonna be happy. 41 wins in the east is a playoff team. We are not a playoff team, therefore, we will not win 41 games. Hell we just became the 4th best team in our own division. No 4th team in a division in the east has a winning record.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:28 pm
by ecuhus1981
All I can say is that you guys can ridicule me if I'm wrong, but give me my respect if I'm right. We'll call it at 45 wins, bearing in mind that our FO is looking to consolidate assets for a starting SF still.
Re: Nenad Krstic S&T Swap
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:44 pm
by Preludepunk27
You're putting a lot of expectations on a lot of guys with 2 years or less experience though. I mean you can say whatever you want here, but when we're the 4th best team in the Atlantic right now, you gotta admit 45 wins is extremely difficult. Even if we acquired a starter caliber SF, it's still asking a lot from our youngins to stay consistant the whole season.
But for conversation, besides Ron Artest and Josh Childress, what other SF's would you try to bring it that has a management contract that still gives us option in 2010? Of with those SF's if they're available, would any of them be interested in just our expirings (Stro/KVH), or young we will part with (both williams/ager/boone) or our picks? I know you've ripped it 10000 times, but Al Harrington can play the 3 to the expectations of a starting 3 and meets the requirements above (avilable and contract fits perfectly for us/won't have to give up the boat). I'm just curious.