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Sean Williams (1.5)
Trenton Hassel (4.3)
Filler (KVH's contract?)

For

Udonis Haslem (6.6)
Dorell Wright (2.0)
2009 2nd Round Pick (Indiana's)




Not sure how willing you guys would be to give up Sean Williams but from what I gathered Frank doesn't love Williams. Udonis gives you a legit PF who can play 30-34 MPG, and his contract expires in the ever so important 2010. Dorell Wright gives you a SF who still has some solid potential, who is already a great rebounder and good defender.

Personally I wouldn't want to do it just because I really want the Nets to hold onto Sean Williams, at least until Yi busts or breaks out.

I do see the logic in it for both teams though, and think that this is a trade that Nets management would consider.

Eh I'll pass. Haslem isn't gonna make us better. He'll only take time from our young guys. If we bring in another big man, it's probably gonna be someone legit. If not, I think this season nets would rather see if they have any potential studs in their front court.

And I really don't care about Dorrell Wright in any way. We have CDR and he hasn't even played an NBA game and I still pick him over Wright. I personally don't have anything to knock Wright about, but I just don't want him. I just can't see either team doing this.

Miami would more or likely do this, even though our management covets Haslem so much.


Wright just turned 22 I believe, hes got plenty of potential. He'll never be T-Mac like some of us Heat fans once thought, hes to hesitant on offense, but hes got great potential defensively and being a slasher. His mid-range jumper is automatic off the catch and shoot as well.


What about cutting out Haslem and doing this deal...


Daquan Cook
Dorell Wright
2nd Round pick

For

Sean Williams
Filler


Cook is somewhat stuck with Wade playing 40 MPG at the only position he can play, but he showed some great potential as well in his rookie year. I would say his potential is a Cuttino Mobley in his prime.


These are only two good young prospects but they just don't fit our team to well, but could flurish in the right situation.

^^^ eh. When you were talking about Dorrell, you basically described CDR in a nutshell too only I think CDR has great awareness on offense. He's a big SG too so again, there isn't a reason to include him. What it'd come down to then is would the Nets trade Sean Williams for Daquan Cook. As log jammed as our front court is, I think right now the only guys I'd trade Sean for would be Kyle Lowry or Javaris Crittenton.

Woah, so you would trade him for Lowry/Critt but not Haslem/Cook/Wright?


Haslem is obviously better then both of them, and I know this might come off as biased but Cook has more potential then either of those players. Lowry is a point guard, which you already have one in Devin Harris. So you would be trading Sean for a backup point guard, even though you guys got Dooling? I love Critt, I wanted him when he was taken one pick before we took Cook, but no one knows if hes a PG or a SG at this point.


Critt and Cook are similar in the fact that they are both potential type players, and I think Cook has more potential.


Why are you guys so open to trading Sean anyways? Am I missing something other then your log jammed at PF and Center?

NetsForce wrote:Personally I wouldn't want to do it just because I really want the Nets to hold onto Sean Williams, at least until Yi busts or breaks out.

I do see the logic in it for both teams though, and think that this is a trade that Nets management would consider.

I agree. It's too early to give up on Williams. He seems like he could be a game-changing defensive player.

BlaZeN27 wrote:Woah, so you would trade him for Lowry/Critt but not Haslem/Cook/Wright?


Haslem is obviously better then both of them, and I know this might come off as biased but Cook has more potential then either of those players. Lowry is a point guard, which you already have one in Devin Harris. So you would be trading Sean for a backup point guard, even though you guys got Dooling? I love Critt, I wanted him when he was taken one pick before we took Cook, but no one knows if hes a PG or a SG at this point.


Critt and Cook are similar in the fact that they are both potential type players, and I think Cook has more potential.


Why are you guys so open to trading Sean anyways? Am I missing something other then your log jammed at PF and Center?

Nah you're not really missing anything. Sean is an athletic freak with loads of upside. We know so many GM's drool over "kids with potential" so we're shopping him with one of our bad contracts (see: Stromile Swift or Trenton Hassel). I personally think if a trade goes down it's not just gonna be "Sean Williams traded for soandso." I think they'll try to package one of those guys I mentioned.

The fact of the matter is this: we have a log jam in our front court. I think we have more faith in Yi, Lopez, Boone and Anderson making decent impact as well and there just isn't enough minutes to go around. We're willing to take the risk of moving Sean right now because he probably interests teams the most of our all our boys in the front court. He may turn into a stud...he may also turn into Stromile Swift. If someone wants to take a chance and offers a deal we feel will improve our team/future, we'll pull the trigger. If not, oh well.

BlaZeN27 wrote:Woah, so you would trade him for Lowry/Critt but not Haslem/Cook/Wright?


Haslem is obviously better then both of them, and I know this might come off as biased but Cook has more potential then either of those players. Lowry is a point guard, which you already have one in Devin Harris. So you would be trading Sean for a backup point guard, even though you guys got Dooling? I love Critt, I wanted him when he was taken one pick before we took Cook, but no one knows if hes a PG or a SG at this point.


Critt and Cook are similar in the fact that they are both potential type players, and I think Cook has more potential.


Why are you guys so open to trading Sean anyways? Am I missing something other then your log jammed at PF and Center?

I'm pretty sure he represents the minority in terms of trading Sean for a backup PG.

Really? Trading a backup PF/C with upside for a backup PG with upside? Man that's a stretch. Just as high as we value Sean, who I would hope turns into a Marcus Camby type player, he could also turn into a guy like Stro. You can say the same thing for Jarvis or Kyle, but if you're trying to claim that we have a bigger log jam at the point than the frontcourt then you're crazy. If Sean doesn't make strides this year, because right now I see the Nets playing Yi/Lopez/Boone/Najera over Sean, I can see Ryan Anderson getting more time than him because Lawrence Frank worships guys that work their tail off.

Also, hasn't this board been loosely discussing moving Sean or Josh basically the last week or two for Crittenton? I'm 100% sure a handful of others brought him up before I did. Plus my response was really more in relation to not wanting Daquan Cook. I never mentioned that it'd be Javaris or Kyle straight up for Sean either. As high as the Nets brass are on Devin, it's also still a gamble. I'm pretty sure they'll want a younger PG in the wings just in case Devin is not the exact PG management wants (Even though as of today I love him). Worse comes to worse, we take Javaris or Kyle and do a S&T when he's a RFA. Thorn and Kiki want another PG and I feel they'll go young. If they don't, I guarantee we'll draft or trade for one within the next 2 years.

What it comes down to with Sean is how long do the Nets plan on waiting to see if he can reach his potential and can they strike a deal for him when he's still coveted.

Regardless, I'm not trying to bash even though I know I sound sarcastic (I haven't had my coffee yet). I'm just curious to see who you feel you'd trade Sean for. If think if we can't package him with a bad contract for a solid player, we're gonna go for a similar player in another position with just as much potential.

I still don't get how Critt is better then Cook.


You guys need a SG with potential, and that's exactly what Cook is. Unlike Critt there is no question if he can play the 2 or not.

BlaZeN27 wrote:I still don't get how Critt is better then Cook.


You guys need a SG with potential, and that's exactly what Cook is. Unlike Critt there is no question if he can play the 2 or not.

Again, Cook basically has all the tools that CDR basically possessed only CDR has more length to him and is a better defender. Adding Cook is kind of redundant.

Even with Critt's height, the point is still his natural position which can pose some matchup problems for the other team. He's got a great first step and solid court vision for a 20 year old kid (turns 21 on new years eve). And for people asking why we'd trade Sean for a 3rd string, remember Sean is a 3rd string at both the 4 and 5 right now. Sean and Critt both have a similar amount of potential, our PG position is just the only position on our roster we don't go 3 deep in. Unless Sean shows some urgency, he'd probably get the same amount of playing time that Critt would get.

I'm not trying to convince everyone that Sean should be shipped out. I'm completely fine with him being a 3rd string the next year or two and see if he can reach any potential. I'm just saying Sean for Critt isn't as horrible as everyone thinks. If 2 of the front court group (Yi/Boone/Brooke/Anderson) start flourishing in our system, Sean would probably have to wait as long as Critt would playing being Harris so I see no use to using the words "backup" in this conversation.

What are you talking about? Cook plays absolutely nothing like CDR, its not redundant at all. He is a pure shooing guard, something Critt is not.

Critt is also an awful defender at this point (Cook isn't great either), but who knows if he can play shooting guard. He just seems like a much more riskier player then Cook, just because you know he can play SG and has an amazing stroke. He also has a few things about him that tend to lead em to belive that he will become a very good starting SG in this league.

First, he is a really good rebounder for his size, which has always been good indication for PG/SG's in the past.

And second, he is not a chucker, but he never loses confidence in his jumper which is huge for someone his age. He keeps shooting when hes open without hesitation.

Critt could very well end up being the better player, but how can you argue Cook isn't less riskier?


His best attribute is obviously his set shooting, and his shot of the dribble. In this video you can see his athleticism though...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y9XQ8_JDHe8&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9vX2cRWN3v4&feature=related

And this shot was freaking clutch for a rookie who got inconsistent playing time...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AqADoOGDgaA&feature=related

Look at the time, and score.

I've never argued that Cook is a less riskier trade. I'm just saying that in my opinion we're looking for a backup PG who can possibly play the 2 as opposed to a backup 2 who could possibly play the point. This isn't anything personal against Cook. Why have Cook on the roster and take minutes away from CDR who already will lose some minutes to Dooling at times. The similar can be said for Critt but there is a chance we can find a place for Critt because I feel net fans are willing to put their marbles in CDR's basket at the 2 instead of bringing on another SG with potential. If we bring in another SG, I'm almost positive it'll be another vet, while I think that at the PG position it could go either way at this point. These are the reasons why if I absolutely HAD to trade Sean for Cook or Critt, I'm choosing Critt. He has just as much upside, does not need to produce right off the back and can be a solid contributor down the line. Hell if he panned out to be a Janero Pargo type player, I'd be fine with this because I'd rather have a solid back up PG who can play the 2 at times as opposed to a solid SG who at times can play the 1. Solid SG's are a dime a dozen. It's harder to come across a solid PG so if the kid has upside and that is his natural position, I'm gonna take him since we have CDR holding down the 2.

Another knuckle headed trade!

BlaZeN27 wrote:Sean Williams (1.5)
Trenton Hassel (4.3)
Filler (KVH's contract?)

For

Udonis Haslem (6.6)
Dorell Wright (2.0)
2009 2nd Round Pick (Indiana's)




Not sure how willing you guys would be to give up Sean Williams but from what I gathered Frank doesn't love Williams. Udonis gives you a legit PF who can play 30-34 MPG, and his contract expires in the ever so important 2010. Dorell Wright gives you a SF who still has some solid potential, who is already a great rebounder and good defender.

BlaZeN27 wrote:Miami would more or likely do this, even though our management covets Haslem so much.


Wright just turned 22 I believe, hes got plenty of potential. He'll never be T-Mac like some of us Heat fans once thought, hes to hesitant on offense, but hes got great potential defensively and being a slasher. His mid-range jumper is automatic off the catch and shoot as well.


What about cutting out Haslem and doing this deal...


Daquan Cook
Dorell Wright
2nd Round pick

For

Sean Williams
Filler


Cook is somewhat stuck with Wade playing 40 MPG at the only position he can play, but he showed some great potential as well in his rookie year. I would say his potential is a Cuttino Mobley in his prime.


These are only two good young prospects but they just don't fit our team to well, but could flurish in the right situation.

I'll pass on both...

Nice explanation.