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frist of many threads about opie and the pinks slip, but the nerve he has to say the nets need to be consistent, are they in consinst? no, but that goes back to him

1. his lineups are attrious, , iknow he has to work with whats given, but c'mon, hassel and ager shouldnt be on the same court, nevermind the same team

2. his in-game adjustments are crappy, still goes to the same plays, when they keep failing

3. No identy, opie fails to identify the idenity of the team, look around celtics are all about D, jazz are balanced, even the knicks are offense, denver is offense-minded,

4. lousy play-calling, its not the priencton, run in gun(we should), triangle, but it is the Vince Offenese, without vince forget about scoring

5. dosnt play, develop, rookies annd allow them to play through mistakes

i wil accknowledge that the players palay hard for opie, even though they dont listen to him, but they play hard

how long do we give this guy?

i admit that the window for opie to be fire, was slammed after kidd trade

feel free to add...

We are stuck with him.

I'm not going to get too much into the anti-Frank stuff, but a few things of interest for me at least

- wanted to mix in the Memphis offense but it is predicated on dribble penetration & off the ball movement. It's only a few games in but they are running it less and less and I just think it's a personnel issue - no use running an offense where only two guys can regularly make opposing defenses collapse/breakdown - Nets are going back to pick & roll & using ball movement off that.

- Nets have gone Zone crazy the last few games to mixed results. I think mainly to 'rest' our backcourt guys who also spend alot of energy on O & to hide our lack of solid defense in the front & back court.

- early in the season Frank is playing to Win. Mainly see this in his use of Najera / Hassell over the likes of SWat and Anderson...he's giving Lopez minutes but I can this being reduced too...I think the first 1/2 of the season Frank is going in win-now mode and the record by all-star break will predicate how he distributes minutes in the 2nd half of the season. I do want to win but SWat/Anderson and CDR (when he comes back from injury) have to see some solid minutes if not every game then on occasion and at least one game a week.

there already has been some really questionable play/game calling on Frank's part but also look at the personnel..when VC or Devin sits your basically counting the minutes for them to come back to see good ball movement again (if then even). It's kinda funny and scary at the same time seeing some of these lineups wondering how they will score but this is what Frank has to work with.

I wonder if at any point in the season Frank's desire to win (hey it's his job on the line) will butt heads with Managements need to see progress by their youth (right now I believe Thorn is in win mode too). I remember Raptors inaugural season Brendan Malone coached the Raps for wins at the detriment of the youth & it was a big reason he got canned despite Raptors somewhat overachieving (for a rookie franchise) that year.

Opie has a challenging job, but ...

The idea of a 10-deep rotation was probably not a good one - so shortening it to 9 is reasonable, resulting in less PT for Anderson and CDR. When the team is not playing cohesively yet, it's not the best way for rookies to develop good habits anyway. So for now decreasing PT for the rookies may be justified to some degree.

But what is not reasonable is to play Hassell (or Ager) over Anderson or any of the rookies or sophomore. Who are the future of the team? Hassell (and Ager) or the other young guys? For a "defensive" player, Hassell's defensive ability does not impress me at all. I especially do not have high regards on any defensive player who would resort to pulling an offensive player's shorts after getting beaten by him on a drive - I saw that twice on Hassell in the first 5 games.

Stop playing Hassell and stop playing Ager.

Can someone PLEASE explain to me why trenton hassell, jarvis hayes and eduardo najera are gettin burn over sean williams??? If this team is in rebuilding mode then why isnt he getting playing time?? It just boggles my mind like frank is out to destroy the nets on purpose. Maybe even management is involved. Theres no way you can sit here and tell me that this team is in a "win now" state of mind and thats why williams is getting the bench treatment. Let the kid get experience and become a better player if this truly is a rebuilding phase.

Revolutionistt wrote:Can someone PLEASE explain to me why trenton hassell, jarvis hayes and eduardo najera are gettin burn over sean williams???
If this team is in rebuilding mode then why isnt he getting playing time?? It just boggles my mind like frank is out to destroy the nets on purpose. Maybe even management is involved. Theres no way you can sit here and tell me that this team is in a "win now" state of mind and thats why williams is getting the bench treatment. Let the kid get experience and become a better player if this truly is a rebuilding phase.

simple they dont smoke crack or they have pictures of frank at a slumber party...

Man every time I saw Sean in this season, it looks like he doesn't give a damn about anything. He's playing weak defense and taking dumb shots on offense when he gets the chance. If you're not gonna make the most of your time, Frank is gonna sit you. That's not me defending Frank, that's just what I feel ANY coach would do. You could make an argument about Hassell, but Hayes and Najera bust their butt every second of these games from what I've seen. Our 3 rookies + Boone and Yi look like they're trying as hard as they can and they deserve minutes. But from the first 2 weeks of the season, I am almost giving up on Sean. He just looks bored and annoyed when he should be proving himself on the court. I'm almost positive his agent is putting some dumb ideas in his head and is trying to get him traded.

Preludepunk27 wrote:Man every time I saw Sean in this season, it looks like he doesn't give a damn about anything. He's playing weak defense and taking dumb shots on offense when he gets the chance. If you're not gonna make the most of your time, Frank is gonna sit you. That's not me defending Frank, that's just what I feel ANY coach would do. You could make an argument about Hassell, but Hayes and Najera bust their butt every second of these games from what I've seen. Our 3 rookies + Boone and Yi look like they're trying as hard as they can and they deserve minutes. But from the first 2 weeks of the season, I am almost giving up on Sean. He just looks bored and annoyed when he should be proving himself on the court. I'm almost positive his agent is putting some dumb ideas in his head and is trying to get him traded.

Hes only played like 6 minutes so far this season. If your trade theory is true than im sure his agent would be telling him to play very good so a contender looks to get him. He is also one of the future pieces for this team and he should be getting valuable minutes to get better for when management decides its time to actually win. Its confusing to try and explain whats wrong with this team because the team itself is so confusing.

Da big3 wrote:

Revolutionistt wrote:Can someone PLEASE explain to me why trenton hassell, jarvis hayes and eduardo najera are gettin burn over sean williams???
If this team is in rebuilding mode then why isnt he getting playing time?? It just boggles my mind like frank is out to destroy the nets on purpose. Maybe even management is involved. Theres no way you can sit here and tell me that this team is in a "win now" state of mind and thats why williams is getting the bench treatment. Let the kid get experience and become a better player if this truly is a rebuilding phase.

simple they dont smoke crack or they have pictures of frank at a slumber party...

I think the latter may be true. If hes not gettin played because he smokes crack I doubt they would have drafted him.

You could also look at the other side of the argument. His agent could be telling him he's better than what the Nets are making him out to be right now. If he dogs it, makes it look like he doesn't want to be there, mention to the media he told the Nets not to pick up his option just to drag the organization in the mud a little bit, then the team will probably trade him, not getting equal value so when he goes to another team where he busts his tail and gets in the rotation and makes his strides. The new team, organization and fans would love him. It's the ultimate F-U to the Nets.

Sean doesn't wana be the garbageman playing 15-20 minutes off the bench that brings energy and blocks a couple shots a game.He's young and he probably feels(in mark jacksons words) he's better than that.Its easier for a veteran to except that role because they've been around,no the little things matter and it can get you a nice contract to.Sean can make a good living in this league if he excepts his role because of his athleticism and shot blocking ability.He probably wants to be KG and get KG money but there's a couple of problems with that dream:
1)no offensive skill set
2)he's barely 6'9 with shoes on
3)he's underweight
4)and he smokes to much purple lol

" If the Bobcats are unable to satisfy my Paper Clips, the backup plan is to pursue lesser lights like the Nets' Sean Williams. Judging by the 6-10 sophomore's lack of daylight, he's someone the Nets feel they can do nicely without.

Sources say Charlotte would be willing to give up Matt Carroll (owed five years, currently $5.05M; ending at $3.5M) and take Trenton Hassell's two-year obligation ($4.3M/$4.3M), as well as Williams' two-year debt ($1.52M/$1.63M) off New Jersey's books."

anyway. like i said before. Frank is very lenient with Boone and Brook when they play like caca but sean gets pulled as soon as the other team scores a point like it's his fault.

And so i was watching the pistons game, and frank kept yanking people out of the game as soon as they did anything good. Yi hits a 3 and frank pulls him next dead ball. I think the same thing happened to simmons. This is like Byron Scott all over again except worse.

Time to kick him to the curb.Please don't replace him with boring Mike Fratello!

I love matt carroll, but he's overpaid for what he does.

I think we need a veteran coach. I'm tired of dealing with a guy still "learning the ropes" when he's been our coach for a while now. At some point, when does management say "you know I don't think he's ever gonna get this team moving." I defend him at times because every season he's had to battle with some adversity, but I just am tired of defending him. Management needs to stop too.

well at least you guys see this too...

#1--Hassel and Najera...injuries combined with miles on these two player equals average defense and no offense...do they really provide that much stability and defense for them to get ANY minutes...IMO, no...not at all...(enter #2)

#2--Sean Williams lack of minutes is absolutely ridiculous...you want more defense, he's the guy...you (frank) dont want to push Lopez's progression w/ more minutes and you dont feel Anderson brings enough to have a spot in the rotation...but you feel the NEED to play Najera and Hassel...other than a veteran presence, this is ridiculous..WE SHOULD OF NOT DRAFTED Sean, if we werent interested in developing RAW TALENT!!! ...Inserting veterans to get up to speed and healthy is the most traditional coaching move in the history of this league...enter once again Najera and Hassel, these guys are nothing more than safe substitutions (down the line in the NBA season)...I rather see more Brook...more Ryan Anderson, obviously Sean Williams and and I'll even through in Stro when healthy...For anyone who thinks, Najera at 50% (who will wont be 100%, ever again in his career) is better than Sean William you need your head examined...furthermore, I'll take Sean William and Ryan Anderson right now over Hassel and Najera when completely healthy...any day of the friggin week...and you can obviously throw CDR into that mix...

#3--Boone = Jekyl and Hyde...FTs will always be a problem here, and I would of played the hack-a-Boone till the end...but the most important key here is being able to gauge the type of game Boone is having...desepite Boone having a couple nice blocks and Lopez's 3 TOs vs. Miami, tough calls which would rattle any rook, Frank failed to put the needed confidence in a rookie center who should be inserted in end of games for his fts...even if a team isnt going to intentionally foul Boone, you know they arent going to let him make a shot...Lopez, Sean or even Ryan need to be inserted in the end of games...I'll even take two of those three w. Yi, Vince and Devin down the stretch...come on this isnt rocket science...

Preludepunk27 wrote:Man every time I saw Sean in this season, it looks like he doesn't give a damn about anything. He's playing weak defense and taking dumb shots on offense when he gets the chance. If you're not gonna make the most of your time, Frank is gonna sit you. That's not me defending Frank, that's just what I feel ANY coach would do. You could make an argument about Hassell, but Hayes and Najera bust their butt every second of these games from what I've seen. Our 3 rookies + Boone and Yi look like they're trying as hard as they can and they deserve minutes. But from the first 2 weeks of the season, I am almost giving up on Sean. He just looks bored and annoyed when he should be proving himself on the court. I'm almost positive his agent is putting some dumb ideas in his head and is trying to get him traded.

first of all...there is a lot of speculation on what a player is "thinking"...its very easy to say Frank is going to play the safer player...no arguemnet...its also safe to say that Sean may be frustrated with the amount minutes rookies and new players have received over him...

and btw, lets take Hayes our of this conversation...

Now I wont deny, Sean might be having mental breakdowns on and off the court with what his role has been diminished to...but if you're gonna tell me, you rather see Najera busting his butt in 9 1/2 minutes, moving the ball well and setting some screens while grabbing 1 rebound over Sean's developement...I just dont get it...thow in an additional almost 13 min by Hassel and you have 2pts 3 reb 1 ast and 2 TOs while fumbling a steal out bounds that Sean would grabbed and probably dunked easily...

Frank wants to get Najera and Hassel back into the mix for the wrong reasons...these guys should be your safe players AT THE END OF THE BENCH, with the type of team the Nets are today...playing these guys only holds back the youth movement we have created...

Go back to last year with Sean Williams...obvious mistakes, some bad shots and some stupid turnovers...but the potential of his game was there in your face as a raw basketball talent...I wont doubt there are things we dont know about that go on behind closed doors with certain players and the coaching staff...But I will doubt that its enough to keep Sean out of games...and if it is, at the very least it should be publically questioned, so we have real answers...

Right now, all speculation set aside, this kid needs playing time to develop his in game habbits, groom his decision making and increase his confidence on the floor...and the Nets NEED a sparkplug off the bench that can bring a definitive presence...I guarantee you'll be a lot happier with the 20 min Sean gives you vs. what Najera/Hassel...

monk302 wrote:Time to kick him to the curb.Please don't replace him with boring Mike Fratello!

Mike Fratello is 5 times the coach L. Frank is and I would be willing to bet has the balls to play SW...

Da big3 wrote:

Revolutionistt wrote:Can someone PLEASE explain to me why trenton hassell, jarvis hayes and eduardo najera are gettin burn over sean williams???
If this team is in rebuilding mode then why isnt he getting playing time?? It just boggles my mind like frank is out to destroy the nets on purpose. Maybe even management is involved. Theres no way you can sit here and tell me that this team is in a "win now" state of mind and thats why williams is getting the bench treatment. Let the kid get experience and become a better player if this truly is a rebuilding phase.

pictures of frank at a slumber party...

...you start a needed thread, but follow it up with exaggeration...

Thank God! Someone started this thread. I was thinking it was too early in the season to BASH FRANK.

1) Frank jsut doesnt know what he wants. Once again another year under Frank where we have to witness Frank trying to figure out his rotation. How many years in a row will we have to hear this? Is this a Defensive team or an Offensive team/ With Frank as a coach is will always be offensive. Boone is good but Lopez will be better. Lopez should be starting.

2) Play calling. I have realized why the bigs dont play well. From 24-10 seconds on the shot clock are for the play Frank calls. If the play goes wrong, it seems like they just dump it to the bigs. Of course, the bigs are going to rush and take bad shots. They are getting it with the shot clock going down. When is frank going to say, Hey! Let me have Lopez post up early in the shot clock. Maybe he can score without the pressure of the shot clock. Lopez should be getting a post play 1 of ever 4 plays. Maybe lopez will pass it out to all the very good three point shooters on this team after he makes a few shots and the defense decide to double team him.

3) Wasting Loses - How long is it going to take for Frank to realize - Hey! maybe I should play the young guys when we are going to lose anyway. Anderson should be learning how to keep up with SF on Defense. Anderson should be learning to pick and pop. Sean Williams should be playing along side Lopez. when CDR is back he should be in with Harris and Dooling to play that dribble drive offense that Frank advertised all summer and now other DEFENSES are now aware that is what they do. F' IT. Harris should be in there with CDR, Anderson, SWAT and LOPEZ at the same time to just let them play. I dont care if we lose by 40. I am for Najera teaching them but save it for practice and game situations, but to have Najera doing things he cant do, shooting bricks when he should be doing hustle plays, is a waste.

4) I agree with everything people posted against Frank.

5) FIRE FRANK NOW!!!!

SIC^^^^I love how you wrote "wasting loses"...you're 100% right...I rather see Hayes and Simmons move over to SG than see Hassel...I rather see us play big than watch Narjera and Hassel run around the court...

you know I have never called for Frank's head before, though I always said I udnerstood the perspectives on Fire Frank...but you will hear me call for his head if this type of chaos goes on with our rotations this year...you have no clue where he's going go with his rotations...I've been throwing him the benefit of the doubt...but currently, you have two players injured (devin and cdr) and we shorten our rotation inserting Najera, Hassel the last couple of games...honestly I was guaranteeing a Sean Williams sighting...we'll see what happens tonight...

i wish we would have went after dan toni, think of what he could have done with sean williams, harris, and the young guys, look at the progress he is doin in NY, the guy knows how to win...