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It appears that the Bobcats want frontcourt help and are willing to give up Gerald Wallace to do so. To me Brook and Yi are untouchable but if they want Boone and Simmons for Wallace I'd do that. We'd have a legit starting 5 then

Harris
Carter
Wallace
Yi
Lopez

His contract has 4 years left which makes me a little uncertain but I think we should do it and make a run at the playoffs (anything can happen). Then next year worry about clearing cap space (VC or Wallace). Not sure the Bobcats would want this deal but maybe we sweeten it with the GS 1st round pick. Or if maybe they wanted Swift, GS 1st, and another filler like hassell/najara. I'm not into giving any young important pieces away for him. I don't want him that much.

Yeah I've been watching this closely because Gerald Wallace is one of my favorite players in the NBA (I seem to like players that look like tools or look like the were just released from prison). If the Nets want to bring him in without giving up too much I'd be down. I'd much rather move Hassell or Simmons so I'm hoping we don't send Stro (Rag-Time can cheer to that). The logic there is because if we're taking on a guy with a long term deal, I want to keep out expiring to clear some money after the season. Only problem there is that if we take on Wallace, you can almost guarantee Vince is gonna be gone within the next 2 seasons. I was sort of expecting it but I would almost guarantee it if we got Wallace.

My other big fear is summer 2010 though. Wallace CANNOT play the 2 to save his life and, if he bring in a certain member of royalty, you'd have 2 guys with iffy jumpers at times on the court. However, this could also be a sign that we may focus on another player (Bosh or Amare) instead. We could move vince for an expiring a solid 2 (like Martell Webster) and land Bosh or Amare and go from there.

I don't know I'm rambling. I've been thinking about this for at least 2 weeks with Charlotte and what we could do.

I still don't think we are realistically clearing out cap room to sign someone, I think we are looking to snag someone with Simmons expiring and some of our young talent next season. Maybe get next season's Pau Gasol, whoever that might be.

I had alot of thoughts about this trade because I didn't understand why are we are doing this when we are waiting to get somebody for the 2010. Then it hit me. VC has been on the block for some time now. Lebron can play 4 position and Can start in PG, SG, or SF. So connecting the Dots, I'm guessing if we get Wallace The Next person to be traded is VC. I'm guessing we are going to have to do that trade him with the Cavs for Wally and Verajao. Giving the Cavs more contracts to worry about in 2010 so us having the best chance to take Lebron. Even, if we fail to acquire lebron it is more convinient to sign a player on shooting guard position because there are more players that are star players in the free agent in 2010.

I like wallace ALOT, i can see harris throwing a couple of alley-hoop lobs, id , then we can take him as a great defender, When LeBron, sees names like gerald wallace, Devin harris, brook, yi, Jay-z and brooklyn, who knows if he will sign for...

^^^ I'd actually really love our team more than I do now if Gerald was here just cause he's one of my favorite players...but all those names besides Jay-Z and Devin to an extent don't hold water. We'd have to get Lebron blackout drunk to sign unless we magically become a playoff team by next year where he can come push us over the top.

I think all of these talks about Lebron and 2010 FA needs to be put on hold. No one is coming to the Meadowlands, not when there's a dozen other teams out there who have the same amount of money lying around.

Bobcats just waived two players, but signed Dwayne Jones. A trade could be imminent, though it's still not clear if it's Gerald Wallace the one to be traded. However, it looks like they're ready to take 1 or 2 players back.

So say we do trade for Wallace...we get a less offensively gifted 3 than what RJ was for us, but a much better caliber on the defensive end. I like Wallace a lot, but by no means he gets us over the top. HOWEVER, with VC's expiring contract for the golden summer and contracts expired by either a trade for Wallace or by that time, I think we have enough to entice a big name (Hopefully a 4 to pair with Brook). The problem with this trade is they probably want either Boone or Sean, a critical blow to backup the starters. But if I've learned something watching this league for nearly all my life, it's that depth keeps you in games, but it's star power that gives you the championship. For a deal of either Boone or Sean (with Sean, CHA would need to send someone with Wallace) and probably GS's 1st, I think we pull the trigger and sign someone in the golden summer with an enhanced lineup. The only thing that would hurt us long-term wise is the draft picks positions until then.

BUT (I'm rambling here, bear with me)...doesn't anyone think CHA could find a better suitor than us?

I would think so, but if it's frontcourt depth they want, the Nets have that.

^^^ The Fact is there coach is Larry Brown and Larry wants Depth for there bigs so i'm guessing we are going to have to trade both sean and boone plus filler for Gerald and filler or hopefully just one of the 2.

SpeedyG wrote:I think all of these talks about Lebron and 2010 FA needs to be put on hold. No one is coming to the Meadowlands, not when there's a dozen other teams out there who have the same amount of money lying around.

The fact that the Free Agents in 2010 has Al Horford, Jason Richardson, Lebron, Dirk, Stuckey, Brendan Wright, Yao Ming, Pierce, Prince,Josh Howard, TJ Ford, Al Thornton, Kobe, Pau, Marc Gasol, Mike Conley, Dwayne Wade, RJ, Redd, Tyson Chandler, Crawford, Randolph, Durant, Jeff Green, Thaddeus Young, Kirilenko, Coran Butler, Chris Bosh, Greg Oden, Tony Parker etc (whoever i forget). The fact that there sooo many high prospect players and Even Star Players that we can Build around is why it doesnt matter if we cant sign lebron. The fact is if we have the money we can always have a piece of the pie.

Rich Rane wrote:Bobcats just waived two players, but signed Dwayne Jones. A trade could be imminent, though it's still not clear if it's Gerald Wallace the one to be traded. However, it looks like they're ready to take 1 or 2 players back.

So say we do trade for Wallace...we get a less offensively gifted 3 than what RJ was for us, but a much better caliber on the defensive end. I like Wallace a lot, but by no means he gets us over the top. HOWEVER, with VC's expiring contract for the golden summer and contracts expired by either a trade for Wallace or by that time, I think we have enough to entice a big name (Hopefully a 4 to pair with Brook). The problem with this trade is they probably want either Boone or Sean, a critical blow to backup the starters. But if I've learned something watching this league for nearly all my life, it's that depth keeps you in games, but it's star power that gives you the championship. For a deal of either Boone or Sean (with Sean, CHA would need to send someone with Wallace) and probably GS's 1st, I think we pull the trigger and sign someone in the golden summer with an enhanced lineup. The only thing that would hurt us long-term wise is the draft picks positions until then.

BUT (I'm rambling here, bear with me)...doesn't anyone think CHA could find a better suitor than us?

I've been thinking about this for a good 2 months. When Amare become a free agent, shaq will be gone, nashi will be on his last legs if he's not gone, I see that team imploding within the next 2 years. I also have said a few times that I think Amare would be better in the East (even though he's nasty now). I think he's perfect player to play next to Lopez. If the Nets aren't concerned about his knees, I can totally see them stealing him away, trading vince for a SG and expiring and going with something like Harris, SG (Webster or CDR or the kid from ASU), Wallace, Amare, and Lopez. That's a pretty good, agressive starting 5 in the east if you ask me. The only thing is I wonder if would upper management be interested in this because, if so, acquiring Yi sorta didn't have a point to it since he'd be a bench player now.

I've rambled this entire thread so I'll stop for now until something else sparks my interest.

But doesn't trading for Wallace put us right back to square-one?

I don't really buy the Lebron James plan, but with Wallace I think this team will just tread water instead of legitimately suck.

crazykidd2k6 wrote:^^^ The Fact is there coach is Larry Brown and Larry wants Depth for there bigs so i'm guessing we are going to have to trade both sean and boone plus filler for Gerald and filler or hopefully just one of the 2.

SpeedyG wrote:I think all of these talks about Lebron and 2010 FA needs to be put on hold. No one is coming to the Meadowlands, not when there's a dozen other teams out there who have the same amount of money lying around.

The fact that the Free Agents in 2010 has Al Horford, Jason Richardson, Lebron, Dirk, Stuckey, Brendan Wright, Yao Ming, Pierce, Prince,Josh Howard, TJ Ford, Al Thornton, Kobe, Pau, Marc Gasol, Mike Conley, Dwayne Wade, RJ, Redd, Tyson Chandler, Crawford, Randolph, Durant, Jeff Green, Thaddeus Young, Kirilenko, Coran Butler, Chris Bosh, Greg Oden, Tony Parker etc (whoever i forget). The fact that there sooo many high prospect players and Even Star Players that we can Build around is why it doesnt matter if we cant sign lebron. The fact is if we have the money we can always have a piece of the pie.

Yes, you can always have the piece of the pie. But of that loooong list of players, guess what, not all of those players will be worth the money. There's spending, and then there's New York Knicks spending. Of the guys you mentioned, not everyone is a franchise player. I mean seriously? Prince? Josh Howard? Ford? Thornton? Marc Gasol? Conley? RJ? Redd? CRAWFORD? Randolph? Jeff Green? AK47?

Those are guys you want to blow the team's cap space on? REALLY? Besides, I'm going off RealGM's list and half the guys you mentioned aren't even FAs in 2010.

Lebron, Bosh, and Wade. That's what 2010 is all about. The rest of the guys in that list are just average (Crawford, Green, Young) to above average (Butler, RJ etc) or guys that will be nearing the end of their career (Ming, Pierce, Dirk).

And btw, those young guys you mentioned such as Horford, Oden, etc? They all have team option for 2010. And guess what, those teams aren't letting them go.

just read that the Nets are expected to be in Brooklyn by 2010...

NetsForce wrote:But doesn't trading for Wallace put us right back to square-one?

I don't really buy the Lebron James plan, but with Wallace I think this team will just tread water instead of legitimately suck.

Agreed

Da big3 wrote:just read that the Nets are expected to be in Brooklyn by 2010...

Where? I just read, in the Star Ledger I believe, that the talks of 2011 were misquotes and it looks more like 2012.

Honestly, these are probably BS rumors once again and even if something was to go down I doubt Rod and Kiki do anything this early in the season when so many better players may become available.

If these rumors are substantial, maybe we are looking at Ammo or Felton. All this talk of needing another PG and everyone is ignoring the fact that Felton is probably available on the semi cheap.
I am torn on Felton. He is a decent PG, but he is pretty bad in the half court, that said he can effectively play the 2 guard about 10 minutes a game depending on matchups, so that it a nocce option.
Then again, he is up for a contract this season, so how much does he want, how much is he actually worth and in the end, what will he get?
Could we be looking at Boone and Dooling for Felton around mid December?
I would love that deal.

Ammo and Felton for Swift, Dooling and Booneor Sean Williams and GS's pick?

Okafor?
This wouldn't lend to what it says they are looking to do in the media, but you never know.
Maybe a big trade, like VC and Boone and/or Sean for Okafor and Felton?
Maybe they already have a taker for Wallace and are looking at a lineup of Augustine, J Rich, VC, Boone and Williams all while cutting salary?
Maybe even looking to deal Wallace to Dallas for Stack's expiring, Bass and maybe Antoine Wright, Gerald Green or the other Shawne Williams?

All interesting stuff.

Think of a lineup like this:
PG Devin Harris
SG CDR
SF Anderson, Yi, Hayes or Simmons
PF Okafor
C Lopez

We still have big room for a FA, a serious defensive frontcourt, the Dude, and whichever of Yi, Anderson, CDR, another trade, one of the rookies we don't have yet or a FA at a combination between the 2 and the 3.

We shall see.

Okafor is a PPP player so trading him would be near impossible.

Da big3 wrote:just read that the Nets are expected to be in Brooklyn by 2010...

Yeah I thought he was misquoted and really said that they're pushing hard right now to be in at the start of the 2011-2012 season.

BigSlam wrote:Okafor is a PPP player so trading him would be near impossible.

Does PPP mean prime time player? I like Okafor (I live in NC so bobcats are like my 2nd team), but he doesn't fit into our system in anyway. Him and Brook both can't play the 4 consistently on offense. It would just be bad. I don't deny the guys talent, but he's not a prime time player on our team. I'd rather take my chances with Brooksy.

Preludepunk27 wrote:

BigSlam wrote:Okafor is a PPP player so trading him would be near impossible.

Does PPP mean prime time player? I like Okafor (I live in NC so bobcats are like my 2nd team), but he doesn't fit into our system in anyway. Him and Brook both can't play the 4 consistently on offense. It would just be bad. I don't deny the guys talent, but he's not a prime time player on our team. I'd rather take my chances with Brooksy.

Poison Pill Player. He was just extended over the summer.