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What would it take to get Williams to Detroit?

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:19 pm
by Master Shake
Pistons fan here;

I know you guys have probably discussed this in length already, but how is the Sean Williams situation, and how available is he?

I've been dying for Dumars to make a play for Williams, and his value seems to be at an all-time low. What are you guys looking for? Expiring contracts, draft picks, or young talent?

Pretty much anyone in Detroit is available outside of Stuckey, would a Hermann and 2nd rounder be enough to grab Sean?

How available is Josh Boone?

Re: What would it take to get Williams to Detroit?

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:43 pm
by NetsForce
I'm pretty sure Sean Williams is available, in terms of what the Nets are looking for... I would imagine they're looking to either:

1) Acquire a young wing player (their were rumors about a Marco Belinelli for Sean Williams swap earlier in the season)
2) Package Sean with a larger contract to trim salary.

At this point I don't think the Nets are going to trade Williams for a (heavily protected?) draft pick as they already have a number of picks coming to them in the near future but it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

With some of the Nets bigs struggling recently (Yi, Anderson, and even Boone) I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets give Williams another shot at earning a spot in the rotation... Then again the lastest news is that Sean could be sent to the D-League.

With Josh Boone, my guess is that the Nets are going to keep him. They'd trade him if the right deal were to come along but he's not being actively shopped around right now.

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Personally I wouldn't trade Sean for Hermann and a 2nd rounder mainly because Hermann duplicates what the Nets already have in the aforementioned Yi and Anderson without having any of the upside.

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What's the deal with Arron Afflalo is he a rotation level NBA player? I can see that he's getting some minutes this year but does he have much upside?

Also is Amir Johnson available?

I always saw Sean and Amir as similar players...

Re: What would it take to get Williams to Detroit?

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:52 pm
by Master Shake
Arron Afflalo is less available than Amir I'd guess at this point. Dumars is pretty high on Afflalo, he's not getting the huge minutes though because of the plethora of guards that we have.

Afflalo plays great defense, it's his calling card. He is becoming more of an offensive threat everyday too, he's a really good midrange jump shooter, extended his range to the 3 line(and he's been pretty good), he's also becoming a creative slasher, he's pretty good on the break. He's never going to be a star, but could be a Raja Bell type starter, he doesn't really have any holes in his game, just doesn't really excel at anything but defense. I would absolutely be open to moving Afflalo and whatever else for Williams, and I really like Afflalo.

Amir and Williams are both similar, actually probably about equal prospects, and I think he's available too. Michael Curry doesn't seem to want to play him much anymore after he started the first six games. Amir's only problem is he's on his 2nd contract and makes about 4 million a year, so a straight up trade wouldn't work. Amir needs to develop an offensive go-to move, he just has a baby hook and gets open dunks and hustle baskets. He's still not that strong so he gets beat up a lot, but he hustles a lot, plays good D, and rebounds, we can't see why MC doesn't play him more.

I would suggest looking at Maxiell too, he's available, as is Kwame(but nobody wants him except for cap relief). But we have a lot of guards and wing players we'd be willing to part with if Williams was available.

Edit: Will Bynum has also been pretty impressive as a backup point guard, I'm not sure how your PG situation is outside of Harris (who gets my vote for MIP.)

Re: What would it take to get Williams to Detroit?

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:23 am
by deviljets7
Master Shake wrote:Pistons fan here;

I know you guys have probably discussed this in length already, but how is the Sean Williams situation, and how available is he?

I've been dying for Dumars to make a play for Williams, and his value seems to be at an all-time low. What are you guys looking for? Expiring contracts, draft picks, or young talent?

Pretty much anyone in Detroit is available outside of Stuckey, would a Hermann and 2nd rounder be enough to grab Sean?

How available is Josh Boone?


Personally I'd pass on Hermann and a 2nd for Sean.

Afflalo definitely intrigues me though. Just throwing a deal out there, but Williams and Hassell for Afflalo, Kwame and a 2nd rounder?

Hassell's defense would help make him a decent replacement as a backup guard. Plus I believe on half of his 2009/10 salary is guaranteed, so you save some money in the Hassell/Kwame swap.

Re: What would it take to get Williams to Detroit?

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:51 am
by tigerman
I'm not familiar with the contracts of both Swat and Maxiell so setting aside those stuff, I'd pull the trigger for the Swat for Maxiell trade. I'm particularly impressed with how the latter performed in last season's east finals. He never allowed himself to be slaughtered by Kevin "I'll only pick the white non-allstar players" Garnett.

Re: What would it take to get Williams to Detroit?

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:20 am
by Master Shake
tigerman wrote:I'm not familiar with the contracts of both Swat and Maxiell so setting aside those stuff, I'd pull the trigger for the Swat for Maxiell trade. I'm particularly impressed with how the latter performed in last season's east finals. He never allowed himself to be slaughtered by Kevin "I'll only pick the white non-allstar players" Garnett.


Maxiell is tough to trade though because he's a poison pill. We just extended him through 2012, he'll be making 20 million over the next 4 seasons after this one. And he only had 2 good games in the ECF, he had that huge block on Garnett, but then proceeded to join the getting slaughtered fest with Sheed and McDyess. Maxiell is a great asset to have, but no big man on the Pistons roster can hang with Boston.

The above mentioned trade is interesting to say the least, I like Williams enough to probably pull the trigger, and we have like 10 2nd rounders, so thats not a sticking point, all depends on how much we like Afflalo. It's possible the Pistons move Hamilton though, so Afflalo would have to stay if that were the case.

Re: What would it take to get Williams to Detroit?

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:17 pm
by jerseyjac
the Nets are not looking to take any players or any extra $$$ ...the package has to be right...with Yi and Anderson struggling, I agree with Netsforce, SW might get another shot just by default (i'm fine with Boone regardless of numbers, he has his moments )...

but I really like the idea of Walter Herrmann + 2nd rounder for Sean, maybe more than others...the Argentinan could be a diamond in the rough for us, he produced some pretty damn good numbers while in Charlotte 2 seasons ago...and he's definitely under-used maybe under appreciated or even out of place with the Pistons...

this is especially significant if the Nets are giving up on Sean...at this point, I really dont have an arguement...with how his overall effort and game play has declined from last year...

definitely an insightful idea Netsforce...