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Rumors are that the Nets are looking at M. Miller and C. Butler. This would probably cause us to give up young players/picks to land one of them. Now for M. Miller I would not give up much Anderson/CDR/Picks but for Butler I might have to consider this. Butler's contract runs through 2011 and that screws up our 2010 plan but what are our chances of of really landing one of those superstars. If we can get Butler for Simmons/Anderson/CDR and the GS 1st. (I didn't check that but I'm brainstorming) I think Thorn may have to seriously consider this because Butler is still an All-Star in my mind.

Could a team like

Harris
VC
Butler
Yi
Lopez

make noise in the East and contend? If the answer is no to that question then don't make the deal but if the answer is yes then why not take a shot. VC and Butler will both expire in 2011 and then we can try and retool again then when we are possibly in Brooklyn.

Thoughts?

Though the Butler trade would be interesting, I dont know if it works for us. I think I want to keep Anderson and CDR.

I like Caron, but the Nets would have to believe that with the roster we have, we'd be able to compete for a title before his contract runs up. Definitely not this season since the young guys are still growing. I heard we've been trying to talk to Washington about Crayon for a month and they're luke warm to the idea because we're lowballing them. I'm only for bringing him in if management has enough faith in Yi and Brook that a starting 5 of Harris/Crayon/Vince/Yi/Lopez could do serious damage in the league in the 09/10 or 10/11 season.

If that isn't the case, I'm honestly all for Mike Miller. I used to hate him in his early years, but the kid is pretty good and a great shooter. It seems as if the Nets management (based on all the rumors for a decent player) want to make a push for the playoffs for some reason (honestly our attendance isn't significantly better in years we make the playoffs so I don't get it). Adding Miller, who would probably cost less to acquire, would definitely make us a playoff team. Best case scenario is a 2nd round out the next 2 years, then he expires and we still have the cap room for 2010.

Management has less than a month now to do anything if they're going to make a move. I'm for these players much more than Hughes if management was gung ho about the playoff push. If not, let this team play out. I can see Harris quitting on them due to Frank mismanaging him, hopefully leading to Frank being sent packing. IF we make the playoffs, Frank gets a free pass again and that kind of pisses me off.

MN fan here.

I was suprised to see the rumor, but I was aware of NJ looking for a SF/SG option (though I thought the hope was/still is to find a younger and longer-term solution).

Not that this is going to happen, but my first guess from the article is that MN is looking for something along the following:

Miller for Swift, Boone, and 2009 1st round pick.

Again, not saying this is happening, but that would be my guess as to what they are trying to play hardball for. It could be CDR, though I am less inclined to think that. I doubt it is Anderson due to the glut of PF's currently in MN. Boone can and would play center, so it makes him a bit more viable, though maybe McHale wants an SG if we trade Miller. Don't know.

Anyhow, just passing on thoughts. NJ has been a nice suprise and Lopez has looked great (ya, some jealousy here, though I don't think we could have drafted him 3rd regardless). Good luck the rest of the season and keep us on the MN board up to date if you hear anything of substance on your end.

I actually think that's fair value to tell you the truth. We'd probably try to do Swift/Sean Williams/lottery protected 2009 1st (adding Miller makes us a 7 or 8 seed so the protection is just their to make our management all warm inside if it doesn't work out). Only reason is because Sean wants out and it'll give you another athletic front court player. Just my thoughts. If it was Swift/Boone/1st though, I would support that deal. Since you guys have AlJeff, Love, Craig Smith, and even Gomes can play the 4, I'm less inclined to say they'd want another front court player, but you're also pretty packed at the 1/2/3 positions too so you'd probably just be looking for the best talent you could acquire.

Regardless, we'll see what our management (and other managements) are thinking. From everything I've been reading and thinking though, I think we're trying to move Simmons contract more than Swifts. I haven't heard Stro come up at all in any trade talk. Not saying it isn't possible for him to be traded, but I honestly think management wants to have a little relief coming off our books this season. Anyway, we'll see how the next month plays out.

Miller for Swift and Ager works. Maybe we throw in the GS 1st.

If the Nets give up a first round pick for Mike Miller alone im going to shoot myself. Miller is nice, but im not gonna give up a first round pick unless theres someone else coming back our way.

With all the young guys on our team, and this making us a playoff team, is a mid-late first really the end of the world. I agree I don't want to give up Dallas's 2009 pick, but honestly, the draft isn't massively deep this coming year. Outside the top 10, I consider everyone a gamble. If we were going to go after a legit SF in 2010, and Vince is still on our roster, the hell is the point of keeping all these picks if we're not going to have the ability to trade up this coming draft to get a player considered a stud. If our 2009 or 2010 pick or GSW's is what they want, I'm totally fine with that. If it makes you sleep better, put a lottery restriction on the picks and call it the day. As long as we don't give up a quality young player, I really don't see why you'd lose sleep over our 09 or 10 pick. Miller's style is so much better in our offense than Minny's.

Revolutionistt wrote:If the Nets give up a first round pick for Mike Miller alone im going to shoot myself. Miller is nice, but im not gonna give up a first round pick unless theres someone else coming back our way.

I have also seen rumors and seen Rashad McCants not fitting in well. What would you think if he came in the package?

No thanks for McCants. He isnt going to fit anywhere. He is an idiot.

Preludepunk27 wrote:With all the young guys on our team, and this making us a playoff team, is a mid-late first really the end of the world. I agree I don't want to give up Dallas's 2009 pick, but honestly, the draft isn't massively deep this coming year. Outside the top 10, I consider everyone a gamble. If we were going to go after a legit SF in 2010, and Vince is still on our roster, the hell is the point of keeping all these picks if we're not going to have the ability to trade up this coming draft to get a player considered a stud. If our 2009 or 2010 pick or GSW's is what they want, I'm totally fine with that. If it makes you sleep better, put a lottery restriction on the picks and call it the day. As long as we don't give up a quality young player, I really don't see why you'd lose sleep over our 09 or 10 pick. Miller's style is so much better in our offense than Minny's.

you just keep comin after me huh prelude? my whole thing is that if were gonna use a first round pick in a trade, we could use it to land someone better than mike miller. i like miller alot and wouldnt mind seeing him join our squad, but if were gonna shake up the roster i think we need to use our picks very wisely. and to the other post about bringing mccants in.... NAH!

Revolutionistt wrote:

Preludepunk27 wrote:With all the young guys on our team, and this making us a playoff team, is a mid-late first really the end of the world. I agree I don't want to give up Dallas's 2009 pick, but honestly, the draft isn't massively deep this coming year. Outside the top 10, I consider everyone a gamble. If we were going to go after a legit SF in 2010, and Vince is still on our roster, the hell is the point of keeping all these picks if we're not going to have the ability to trade up this coming draft to get a player considered a stud. If our 2009 or 2010 pick or GSW's is what they want, I'm totally fine with that. If it makes you sleep better, put a lottery restriction on the picks and call it the day. As long as we don't give up a quality young player, I really don't see why you'd lose sleep over our 09 or 10 pick. Miller's style is so much better in our offense than Minny's.

you just keep comin after me huh prelude? my whole thing is that if were gonna use a first round pick in a trade, we could use it to land someone better than mike miller. i like miller alot and wouldnt mind seeing him join our squad, but if were gonna shake up the roster i think we need to use our picks very wisely. and to the other post about bringing mccants in.... NAH!

Haha my bad man. I'm just a little antsy. Watching people talk about your team for a month leading up to the deadline then nothing happening is basically the equivalent to blue balls for a sports fan.

id kill to get butler on this team are u kidding me???

harris - vc - butler - yi - lopez

come f**k with us!

I like Butler, but I don't see him and VC play together and reach both their full potential just because a big part of their game (especially VC) is playing the halfcourt offense. I see Caron fitting in well better with Harris just because Caron runs the floor pretty well (since he is a real swing man) If you put Butler and VC together your just going to see the same combo of RJ and VC which you guys saw did not work last year. Swingman that I see fitting in with VC are those defensive specialist swing man or shooters with great off the ball offense. I don't see this happening unless the Nets have plans moving VC in the near future.

As for miller I think he would fit in really well with this team. My only problem with him is he doesn't really play defense well. I can't really say a lot though I only seen him play once.

In the end from all the rumors that nets have for Caron, Hughes, Miller. I see all of them a fit in the Nets. I would actually go for 2 of those players at once since I don't see us giving up anything for Hughes and Mille AND as for Caron it is a good idea to go for him just because his price is low right now.

You are right, Miller's defense is hideous.

I like caron, alot, but he is always hurt.

I'd still welcome him with open arms.

The realistic options are obviously Miller and Hughes. Like someone said earlier in this thread, management wants to make the playoffs for some reason, so I can see one of these trades going down. Miller would be the best compliment to VC and Harris. Unlike Simmons, Miller will actually drive the ball as well. I've been very impressed with what I've seen OFFENSIVELY from him these few seasons.

I think Thorn will try to get this trade down first and foremost. And if it falls through I can really see us doing the Hughes trade because in my opinion, Simmons is just a terrible player.

A name I haven't heard mentioned that I would love to hear is Salmons.

Problem I forsee with Sacto is I honestly think whoever they speak to, they try to toss in a front court player because they have a handful of underperforming guys and need to make room for Hawes and Thompson. If Salmon's costs more than Swift/Ager (over 7 mill in expirings) then I can't see the Nets being interested.

Preludepunk27 wrote:Problem I forsee with Sacto is I honestly think whoever they speak to, they try to toss in a front court player because they have a handful of underperforming guys and need to make room for Hawes and Thompson. If Salmon's costs more than Swift/Ager (over 7 mill in expirings) then I can't see the Nets being interested.

Most of these ideas are so lowball they won't even get proposed-since a GM does not want to insult his counterparts. Butler for cheap? Forget about it. Simmons-Hughes....in the ballpark but a bit of a lateral move.
Miller? Well....don't suggest Swift and Ager or your calls get blocked....same with Salmons. Miller and Salmons can play,can score 15+,are not nasty contracts and OTHER teams will offer more than zero.
Miller is your best target. Ryan Anderson is probably pretty good bait,a pick is always bait. For Miller or Salmons...a crappy expiring won't mean squat except as filler. The Wolves and Kings really are not full-tilt into chasing free agents.

old rem wrote:

Preludepunk27 wrote:Problem I forsee with Sacto is I honestly think whoever they speak to, they try to toss in a front court player because they have a handful of underperforming guys and need to make room for Hawes and Thompson. If Salmon's costs more than Swift/Ager (over 7 mill in expirings) then I can't see the Nets being interested.

Most of these ideas are so lowball they won't even get proposed-since a GM does not want to insult his counterparts. Butler for cheap? Forget about it. Simmons-Hughes....in the ballpark but a bit of a lateral move.
Miller? Well....don't suggest Swift and Ager or your calls get blocked....same with Salmons. Miller and Salmons can play,can score 15+,are not nasty contracts and OTHER teams will offer more than zero.
Miller is your best target. Ryan Anderson is probably pretty good bait,a pick is always bait. For Miller or Salmons...a crappy expiring won't mean squat except as filler. The Wolves and Kings really are not full-tilt into chasing free agents.

You do realize Minny wants to be major players this offseason right? Go to the Bucks board, they want Swift + a young player + a pick. Swift is actually the only player they seem to agree on since he's an expiring. Then some fans hope they can get Williams, some want Boone, some want CDR. Just saying, the only thing they agree on is Swift instead of someone like Simmons or Hassell because they want the cap room this summer.