VC to Dallas or San Antonio rumors

Revolutionistt · Post #1 » by **Revolutionistt** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:52 pm

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... with_nets/

personally I dont like either one of these trades. they make no sense for new jersey, this would seriously disappoint me just for the fact that Thorn is a genius and could get so much better.

Rockice_8 · Post #2 » by **Rockice_8** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:57 pm

Agreed it looks like we should wait till the offseason because the right trade is just not there

Preludepunk27 · Post #3 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:08 pm

I don't think it's a bad trade, but I wouldn't be too happy about it. First, I think Thorn could do better. Then add the fact that rumored deal has us sending out Dooling without getting a PG back in return. If Harris went down we wouldn't have another player on our roster who could remotely play point guard.

To me this sounds like a deal that we'd make as a result of another deal (i.e. moving stro/filler for a solid player)

LOL imagine we got Artest and JoHo by the deadline. Going from a high character team to a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) version of the jailblazers in the span of a week.

Revolutionistt · Post #4 » by **Revolutionistt** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:38 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:I don't think it's a bad trade, but I wouldn't be too happy about it. First, I think Thorn could do better. Then add the fact that rumored deal has us sending out Dooling without getting a PG back in return. If Harris went down we wouldn't have another player on our roster who could remotely play point guard.

Thats the part i really dont like, if the nets are gonna move carter and dooling i prefer the houston trade since we at least get alston in return.

S.I.C. GM · Post #5 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:21 pm

No way the Dallas trade happens.

It doesnt make sense for both teams.

SpeedyG · Post #6 » by **SpeedyG** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:52 pm

Revolutionistt wrote:
Preludepunk27 wrote:I don't think it's a bad trade, but I wouldn't be too happy about it. First, I think Thorn could do better. Then add the fact that rumored deal has us sending out Dooling without getting a PG back in return. If Harris went down we wouldn't have another player on our roster who could remotely play point guard.

Thats the part i really dont like, if the nets are gonna move carter and dooling i prefer the houston trade since we at least get alston in return.

If you're trading VC in season, then you're not looking to win this season. There is no one we can acquire mid-season who will be able to help this team more than Vince can. What we get "fit wise" as far as depth chart has no bearing on if it's a good deal or not.

And please, no Josh Howard. That guy's basketball IQ is just a step above Darko, Kwame, and Stro. He's just talented unlike those other guys.

SteveNets15 · Post #7 » by **SteveNets15** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:11 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:No way the Dallas trade happens.

It doesnt make sense for both teams.

I think it makes sense for Dallas since there trying to win now.Kidd,VC and Dirk would be alot to handle. Add Keyon to the roster to and they'll be alot better.I don't like this for the Nets at all tho.

11 Barea, Jose
32 Bass, Brandon
13 Carroll, Matt
25 Dampier, Erik
40 George, Devean
8 Green, Gerald
15 Hollins, Ryan
2 Kidd, Jason
41 Nowitzki, Dirk
33 Singleton, James
31 Terry, Jason
4 Williams, Shawne
21 Wright, Antoine

Preludepunk27 · Post #8 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:30 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
Revolutionistt wrote:
Preludepunk27 wrote:I don't think it's a bad trade, but I wouldn't be too happy about it. First, I think Thorn could do better. Then add the fact that rumored deal has us sending out Dooling without getting a PG back in return. If Harris went down we wouldn't have another player on our roster who could remotely play point guard.

Thats the part i really dont like, if the nets are gonna move carter and dooling i prefer the houston trade since we at least get alston in return.

If you're trading VC in season, then you're not looking to win this season. There is no one we can acquire mid-season who will be able to help this team more than Vince can. What we get "fit wise" as far as depth chart has no bearing on if it's a good deal or not.

And please, no Josh Howard. That guy's basketball IQ is just a step above Darko, Kwame, and Stro. He's just talented unlike those other guys.

If we trade Vince, we're obviously mailing in the season but I'm sorry you're slightly off base. I understand we'd really be planning for the future, but we need a PG coming back our way if Dooling leaves too. That's the sticking point. I'm not saying we need anyone good, just someone who at least can mildly play pointguard. If the trade only sends out Vince, then it's not a problem. That was I think myself and Rev's thinking here. Other than that, I agree with what you said.

The_Cut · Post #9 » by **The_Cut** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:40 pm

as you can see in the wiretrap - the cavaliers and rockets are also in the mix

S.I.C. GM · Post #10 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:05 pm

Come On Portland!!!

GET INTO THE MIX!!!!!!!!

Wisedude42 · Post #11 » by **Wisedude42** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:15 pm

Cleveland will only offer W. Szerbiak for Vince. Only an expiring contract, nothing else. Part of the compensation is being relieved of Vince's massive remaining contract.

The Nets are aware they will not get equal talent value for Vince from any team. So they have to decide, keep him and pay him or get out from under that big money contract so they can go and sign other players who fit their plan this summer.

S.I.C. GM · Post #12 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:07 pm

The funny thing about this trade is

As much as I doubt this happens, imagine VC for Kidd. This would never be an option, but the rookies but the young guys would definitely get the ball.

Kidd
Harris
Simmons
Yi
Lopez

Preludepunk27 · Post #13 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:12 pm

Wisedude42 wrote:Cleveland will only offer W. Szerbiak for Vince. Only an expiring contract, nothing else. Part of the compensation is being relieved of Vince's massive remaining contract.

The Nets are aware they will not get equal talent value for Vince from any team. So they have to decide, keep him and pay him or get out from under that big money contract so they can go and sign other players who fit their plan this summer.

Then the Cavs are not getting Vince. Whatever you may think, the Nets are not in a position where they HAVE TO move him at all. He is not hindering 2010 in any way. Also, we have a ton of young players/picks to develop over the next few years and when the time comes where we need to extend any major young guy we have, that summer Vince is a team option anyway so we can free up the cash if needed. He may be making a lot, but he is not a problem to us or our future in ANY WAY. That is the reason why the Nets will NEVER move vince unless we're getting at least dollar-for-dollar.

As of today, we are not in a rush to move Vince so enjoy Wally's contract coming off the books after this season Cleveland.

tigerman · Post #14 » by **tigerman** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:24 pm

Wow the Texas triangle slugging it out for the VC sweepstakes.

S.I.C. GM · Post #15 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:41 pm

Funny thing about the Cavs.

If they get VC, they may still have enough money to get another BIG FA. I may be wrong on the numbers

Mo
VC
Lebron
BIG FA PF/C
Does it really matter.

Preludepunk27 · Post #16 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:19 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:Funny thing about the Cavs.

If they get VC, they may still have enough money to get another BIG FA. I may be wrong on the numbers

Mo
VC
Lebron
BIG FA PF/C
Does it really matter.

That would be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) for Cleveland though. They'd have so much money locked up in Lebron/Vince/Mo and would not be able to afford a guy like Bosh or Amare or even Dirk if he opted out. Yeah they benefit from Ben coming off the books, but lets do some simple math. Lebron will make 20 mill a year or so (i'm too lazy to look up the true number which is why I said "Simple"). Between Mo, Vince and Lebron the team salary will be around 47 million. Add that to the contracts for the 10-11 season (not including Delonte because his contract isn't guaranteed that year) and you're around 52 million. If you add Delonte's it's 57 million for 6 guys. Are you telling me they could sign a big FA PF/Center and get 4 more guys to fill out the minimum roster amount and not hit the lux tax. If he's a big PF/C FA, he's not gonna sign on the cheap. They can find some decent roll players they could split the MLE on, hope for some good draft picks and maybe a Vet minimum (see: Z cause he's the man!) but a big FA in that summer is not in their cards fiscally if they made a move fro Carter.

S.I.C. GM · Post #17 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:39 pm

I took a look at shamsports.

I think everyone not named lebron is gone.

Question:

I dont know if this can be done, but it is the hustler in me.

Can the Cavs sign a Big FA before signing lebron since they can have first dibs and his rights? Then Sign him and go over the cap.

vincecarter4pres · Post #18 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:51 pm

If I am correct, no, Lebron will have a cap hold.
It is purposely built into the CBA that way just so situattions like this cannot happen.

Preludepunk27 · Post #19 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:07 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:I took a look at shamsports.

I think everyone not named lebron is gone.

Question:

I dont know if this can be done, but it is the hustler in me.

Can the Cavs sign a Big FA before signing lebron since they can have first dibs and his rights? Then Sign him and go over the cap.

That would be wild if it could but I don't think so. Also, first a team would have to have the cap room to sign that Big FA. I don't know any team that has that kind of room before we even get to the talk about extending their 2010 possible FA ya know? The only team I could think of that could possibly be able to do this in the offseason (if it was legal) would be maybe Portland. Who is even under the cap right now or will be after this season comes off the books?

NetsForce · Post #20 » by **NetsForce** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:35 pm

Lebron's cap hold / "free agent amount" will be somewhere in the range of 17-23 million meaning until the Cavaliers renounce or resign Lebron James he will count as $16-$23 million (exact number is somewhere in that range, probably closer to $17 million if I had to guess) against their salary cap.

So to answer your question SIC, no they Cavaliers can not sign a big name free agent and then use the Larry Bird exception to resign Lebron