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Being that NO seems to be in financial trouble( remeber, they basically tried to give Chandler away), do you think we can go after David West and give some expiring contracts??? All things considered, West has a reasonable contract and would fit in weel in dribble/drive being that he can knock down the mid-range J. Something like Simmons and our # 1 this year could it down maybe? tPerhaps we decide to spend some $ and takePosey's contract of their payroll and include Hassel as well..thoughts?

pg = harrs. dooling
sg = carter
sf = hayes/posey
pf = west , anderson, yi (he is terrible)
c = lopez, boone

David West would be incredible for us. I think he is EXACTLY what we need playing next to Brook, however, I don't think they'd give West away like they gave Tyson away. I think it would definitely be something Thorn and Kiki should explore this summer though if they want to take it to the next level. I don't see us getting Posey or anything major in the deal though. NO is in financial trouble yes, but that team easily becomes a lotto team without West and Posey.

I think the deal would hinder on a particular player being available at 11 so this would likely be a draft night deal. It's a pipe dream regardless in my opinion, but still I'd love for this to go down. Only way it happens prior to draft night is if there is someone not named Brook Lopez, Devin Harris or Vince Carter on our roster that they want.

Ratner said he's not opposed to taking on salary this offseason. I think he's serious out that. Granted, by "taking on salary" he meant "Only if it makes us a contender in the east and doesn't push the lux tax," but I believe him that even in these economic times he'd consider it. I think they'd balk though if they had the smallest shed of doubt.

Preludepunk27 wrote:David West would be incredible for us. I think he is EXACTLY what we need playing next to Brook, however, I don't think they'd give West away like they gave Tyson away. I think it would definitely be something Thorn and Kiki should explore this summer though if they want to take it to the next level. I don't see us getting Posey or anything major in the deal though. NO is in financial trouble yes, but that team easily becomes a lotto team without West and Posey.

True things may have changed since the trade deadline, but I think people are over-stating the desire of the Hornets to dump salary at all costs and the desperation of the failed Tyson Chandler trade.

Was the main motivation for the Tyson Chandler trade money? No doubt about it. But let's not forget that the expirings they would have gotten back were Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox, two reasonably productive big men. Considering NO's top bigs off the bench are Hilton Armstrong, Sean Rooks and a SF in Julian Wright, the deal did make some sense from an on-court standpoint. By comparison, Bobby Simmons would be the fourth or fifth wing player (behind Peja, Butler, Posey and possibly MoPete/Wright as well) in their rotation.

Are the Hornets likely going to have to make financially-influenced moves this summer? I would have to think so, but I seriously doubt they will gut the core of their team and become non-competitive to do that. Think about the various financial moves the Suns did over the years as examples. Yes they sold picks and gave away bench guys, but the talk of an Amare or Marion in a salary dump proved to be nothing more than the pipe dreams of opposing GMs.

New Orleans will be lucky to make the playoffs next season as is.

West will definitely be available, but you are going to have to absorb Peja, Mo Pete or Chandler to get him, plus give up something decent of value such as our lotto pick.

West is a nice player that would fit in well here, with a nice contract, but is he worth it once you have to absorb Peja for expirings and give up our pick this year, and possibly something else of value?

I know I originaly proposed almost the same idea, but in hindsight think i think about it like this:

Let's say we send Simmons/Yi/Hayes/Hassell/09 lotto pick, for Peja and West.

West makes about 9 flat, which is basically a good contract compared to his production. But, Peja makes about 13.5, which is a rage provoking amount of money for his rundown, sorry ass.
So if you look at it that Peja should be payed a max of maybe 6 a year, then take the remaining 7.5 and add it to West's contract of 9, you get 16.5 mill. Would you pay West 16.5 mill a year for frigging David West?! I wouldn't.
You can say that we aren't giving up much and we aren't gonna make a huge splash in 2010 anyway, cause we probably aren't, but it really skews things and makes you realise that a lotto pick, Yi and big expirings, along with the instant cap relief the deal sends is worth more then David West and Peja. It really screws us out of any flexibility to pursue any other available players until the deadline.

Wonder if Hornets would consider something like this...

Simmons/Hassell/Williams/Boone for Peterson/West - plus we swap 1st rounders this year. Blair or Williams would likely still be available around pick 21.

Chandler makes no sense for us, although I like him. Peja I'm not too thrilled with. Peterson is still a solid player, just hasn't fit well in New Orleans and has been injury-prone.

I agree with the prior post, that if we had to take on peja that this deal would never happen. perhaps we could find a third team. Keep in mind, we have young/chep players (CDR & Anderson) that would have some value in a deal to NO. I thik West is the perfect player for the Nets at a reasonable contract (his salary decreases in the out years) so i think Kiki and Thorn shoudl do what it takes. I truly believe we are a legit PF away from being 4/5 seed in the East. Perhaps a team like Dallas would be inetersted in Peja or Chandler. I would think Chandler more than Peja. Take a look at th ebelow. Obbviouclsy NO would be receing draft picks (probaby 2009 from NJ).

NJ trades: Simmons (10.6 expiring) & Yi (3.2 rookie deal)
NJ gets: West (9.1) & Mo pete (6.2) - While this deal hurts 2010 FA dreams (they are just dreams) I dont think it matters

NO trades: West (9.1), Chandler (11.9), Mo Pete (6.2)
NO gets: Simmons (10.6), Stackhouse (7.3, small gurantee), Yi (3.2), Antione Wright (2.1), Shawne Williams (2.4 - the Dallas version)

Dallas trades: Stakchouse (7.3), Wright (2.1), SWill (2.4)
Dallas receives: Chandler (11.9)

vincecarter4pres wrote:
West will definitely be available, but you are going to have to absorb Peja, Mo Pete or Chandler to get him, plus give up something decent of value such as our lotto pick.

I agree with you.

As over paid as Peja is, I would rather we get him.

Harris, VC, Peja, West, Lopez would be very good in the east. Granted Mo Pete would be better defensively. Hayes already fills his role.

Mo Pete would be cheaper, but Peja and Chandler's contracts are not that much different.

Then there is the option of trading VC to NO for West, Peja and Mo Pete.

S.I.C. GM wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:
West will definitely be available, but you are going to have to absorb Peja, Mo Pete or Chandler to get him, plus give up something decent of value such as our lotto pick.

I agree with you.

As over paid as Peja is, I would rather we get him.

Harris, VC, Peja, West, Lopez would be very good in the east. Granted Mo Pete would be better defensively. Hayes already fills his role.

Mo Pete would be cheaper, but Peja and Chandler's contracts are not that much different.

Then there is the option of trading VC to NO for West, Peja and Mo Pete.

If we bring our bench can be consistant in the playoffs, that could potentially give Cleveland a run for their money. It'll be interesting to see how they retool if they lose Wally, Anderson and Joe Smith this offseason. They are pretty important glue guys right now on that roster.

I've been kicking around a trade to bring the Nets Chandler for a while:

NOH gets: Tmac, Boone
HOU gets: Carter, Mo Pete
NJN gets: Chandler + ?

That would be the basics. Don't think its great but I don't think it would be bad. It would solve our rebounding and defensive problems (Chandler is only 26 btw), and shave about 4 mil off the 2010 salary but Chandler can't shoot and spacing for Lopez would likely suffer. Couldn't decide if it would be worth it but interesting nonetheless.

I'd love to get West btw, but I don't think its possible.

^^^I'm not opposed to moving VC for the right package, but that? Puke.

We don't need Chandler in any capacity. Brook is our 5 and I'm not moving him. If we make a trade this offseason, it's to clear some roster spots and acquire a starting caliber 4 or 3.