NETS FORGET ABOUT 2010

amk482 · Post #1 » by **amk482** » Sun May 3, 2009 10:06 pm

I wish someone would send a message to Ratner, Thorn and Kiki with the title of this topic....

NETS FORGET ABOUT 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look, unless Thorn and Kiki know that LBJ is coming here, then 2010 is a pipe dream. LBJ or Wade are not coming here. Chances are they stay with their respective teams. Lets go get a legit vet PF (Brand, Boozer, etc) and move forward and try to win now.

pg - Harris/dooling/FA VET Minimum
sg - CDR/VC/Dooling
SF - VC/Hayes/Simmons
PF - Someone not named Yi Jianlian/Anderson
C - Lopez/Boone (only if stops looking like hes gonna cry and also starts hitting 60% of his FT)

We can absoutely compete in the East with the above team. Maybe not on the level of CLE (then again, who is....???) but we are in the playoffs and thats where "Amazing Happens".

Look, I'm not saying we should be one of the teams that goes above the lux tax, becasue that is a steep penalty, but all this talk about 2010 is nonsense. If we dont get Wade or LBJ, then what???? Overpay for someone else to try and save face? Why are the Nets keeping VC around if they have no intention of fielding a title contender?? I'd rather pay Boozer this year. So tired of this "All about 2010" crap. As Nets fans, do we deserve to have a non competetive team (not implying the team doesnt play hard, just speaking to the # of wins)????????????? I think the Nets have a better chance of winning this year's lottery (1%) than signing Wade or LBJ. So, if LBJ or Wade didn't exist, would you be satisfied as a Nets fan if management's plan was to hope to win next's lottery with a 1% chance?

aussienet · Post #2 » by **aussienet** » Sun May 3, 2009 11:11 pm

I've been thinking about this for awhile now, so here goes.
Nets trade for a PF. A trade that I have come up with is the nets move Yi, Simmons, Najera and the 11th pick (I think is too weak of draft and no long term benefit for us) to philly for Brand, Green and there 2010 first round pick. That would give us a roster of

Devin/Dooling
CDR/Hayes/Green
VC/Hassel
Brand/Anderson
Lopez/Swill/Boone

That's a roster of 12 with a MLE vet signed will take us to 13.

In 2010, by most reports will be a stronger draft, Am i right in saying we would then have three first rounders? Nets, Mavs And sixers
We could then trade up by swapping all three. or pick one and swap two and so on.
Now normally I try and look at things from both sides but Thorn has not made a big move for awhile now and i think this something that he is looking to do.
If any of you can think of other trade options I am open to them. But basically what are your thoughts on trading out of this draft and stocking up for next years?

Cheers.

P.S would love to go into explaining the pro's and cons of my trade but have to go work now

P.P.S Could someone pls explain to me the legalities of us trading consececutive drafts picks

amk482 · Post #3 » by **amk482** » Sun May 3, 2009 11:47 pm

no way philly would include a first rounder next year. that being said, I still do the trade without it. In terms of legalities, a team cant trade its won pick in consecutive years. so if we traded our own 2009 pick, we couoldnt trade our 2010 pick, although we could trade dallas' 2010

lurkingobeiscity · Post #4 » by **lurkingobeiscity** » Mon May 4, 2009 12:08 am

NetsForce · Post #5 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 4, 2009 1:31 am

Can I get fries with that?

next2spike · Post #6 » by **next2spike** » Mon May 4, 2009 2:12 am

Good; one less player to worry about.

deviljets7 · Post #7 » by **deviljets7** » Mon May 4, 2009 2:13 am

I know this is a down draft and people are dismissing any chance of an impact FA coming here (P.S. that free agent class is much more than LeBron and Wade), but I'm not trading a lottery pick and expirings for Elton Brand.

Brand has played 31 games the past 2 years (and has been a shell of his former self in those games) and has $66 million left on his contract. Boozer's health record is nearly as bad.

Its amazing how little patience most fans here have. The goal should be to be a legit contender for a title, not just be happy with making the playoffs. Giving up lottery pick(s) and using all potential cap space (when is the last time NJ even had cap space?) in an effort to make the 2nd round should not be the goal, especially when half of that core would be on the downside of their career.

amk482 · Post #8 » by **amk482** » Mon May 4, 2009 4:32 pm

my real concern is that we are not going to sign anyone in 2010. I really feel its a smoke screen. who am I missing from the top FA crop in 2010??

LBJ, Wade, Bosh, Amare....

Do you see any of those guys signing here? As a die-hard nets fan, I am totally patient (its a requirement) but I dont see 2010 happening. Hopefully I am wrong, but if we get no one, than what????

Preludepunk27 · Post #9 » by **Preludepunk27** » Mon May 4, 2009 4:43 pm

I honestly figured it's been a logical assumption on this board for a while that there is a very high chance we won't land a legit top tier guy in free agency in 2010. Obviously, we all want to stay optimistic, but there are a load of guys that will be free agents that offseason (a previous thread had a long list of free agents/opt out clause players).

What I keep telling myself is 2010 free agency is over a year away. A LOT of things can happen by then. Thorn may pay off Stern to give us a top 3 pick this year where we can trade up and take Griffin, then sign Artest for the MLE and go with that lineup until Vince's contract comes off the books (not saying this is like my "dream scenario," but just making something up off the top of my head). I'm really gonna stop thinking about 2010 until it's actually here, we know what our team needs and we see who is actually "available" that summer. I honestly see us 1 solid starter and one more consistent vet bench player away from being a pretty solid playoff team as long as we stay healthy our young guys continue to develop.

amk482 · Post #10 » by **amk482** » Mon May 4, 2009 5:32 pm

well said Prelude.....What is everyone's thoughts on Chris Wilcox??? He could provide some mintes at the 4/5...Is he the "Moose" Thorn keeps talking about?

NetsForce · Post #11 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 4, 2009 5:52 pm

The Save Us Chris Wilcox Ship sailed away years ago and thankfully has never returned since. I'd like to keep it that way to be honest

Preludepunk27 · Post #12 » by **Preludepunk27** » Mon May 4, 2009 6:11 pm

If Wilcox signed cheap, I'd be ok with it. I actually am curious to see what he ends up signing for this offseason. But I really don't view him as "the answer" to our front court problems. If there was a way to get Najera's contract off the books and sign him to a similar deal, that's probably the only way I'd be pumped to have him. If not, then I'd never lose sleep over Wilcox not being here.

Adam1221 · Post #13 » by **Adam1221** » Mon May 4, 2009 7:25 pm

amk482 wrote:my real concern is that we are not going to sign anyone in 2010. I really feel its a smoke screen. who am I missing from the top FA crop in 2010??

LBJ, Wade, Bosh, Amare....

Do you see any of those guys signing here? As a die-hard nets fan, I am totally patient (its a requirement) but I dont see 2010 happening. Hopefully I am wrong, but if we get no one, than what????

For 1 the 2010 free angency is much more than just those 4 guys dude, and 2 of them are a realistic option for this team (Bosh and Amare).
If we fail to get an impact free agent there's also the great 2011 FA class that has guys like Carmelo,Josh Howard and Michael Redd, by that time we should be out of the god awful Izod center which would only help our chances.

The second thing is this team's goal is no longer to just sign someone in 2010 due to a better than expected season and a great development from the young guys this team pretty clearly decided to go the Portland route which is get a bunch of talented young guys to develop together and hope they grow into a contender, honestly this team just needs Yi to develop into a solid PF next year to be a solid playoff team.

amk482 · Post #14 » by **amk482** » Mon May 4, 2009 8:06 pm

Im not sold on aamre, dont get me wrong, i would love to have him on the nets, but people are concerned about boozer's health, why not Amare...This is why i say go get the PF now(West, Brand, Boozer), why are we awaiting until 2010?

aussienet · Post #15 » by **aussienet** » Mon May 4, 2009 11:14 pm

amk482 wrote:no way philly would include a first rounder next year. that being said, I still do the trade without it. In terms of legalities, a team cant trade its won pick in consecutive years. so if we traded our own 2009 pick, we couoldnt trade our 2010 pick, although we could trade dallas' 2010

Yeah but wasn't that rule introduced to stop teams from trading out of the draft? Does it still apply if your trading up or down in the draft?

vincecarter4pres · Post #16 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon May 4, 2009 11:18 pm

Put me on the "Amar'e is a cancer, he ain't the answer" list. Don't want any part in him. Boozer I like, but he is so damn injury prone. I used to love Brand, but he's on the wrong sode of 30, signed to a cap crippling contract, with major injury concerns himself. West I like a lot, but is he worth it if we have to take on Peja's contract? If we got Chandler or Posey instead it's a lot easier to swallow, Chandler could play 20 something minutes a game off the bench, or Posey could either start at the 3 or let VC start the 3, let CDR start the 2 and Posey can come in early at the 2 or 3.

NetsForce · Post #17 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 4, 2009 11:21 pm

I'd rather have Amare than Boozer, Amare was straight fiiire pre-Nash-emo-saga.

aussienet · Post #18 » by **aussienet** » Mon May 4, 2009 11:29 pm

No one seems interested in answering my question. So i'll ask again what are your thoughts on us trading out of this years draft and stock piling for next years "deeper draft"?

I threw Brand into the mix as a scenario. Anybody else got other players in mind? I'm not trying to do any homer trades so my bad if it looked that way.

Cheers

vincecarter4pres · Post #19 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon May 4, 2009 11:30 pm

NetsForce wrote:I'd rather have Amare than Boozer, Amare was straight fiiire pre-Nash-emo-saga.

Amar'e is a no defense playing, primadonna, mediocre rebounding, non passing black hole, who can't create his own offense too well, isn't a post player and has had multiple knee surgeries.

NetsForce · Post #20 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 4, 2009 11:42 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
NetsForce wrote:I'd rather have Amare than Boozer, Amare was straight fiiire pre-Nash-emo-saga.

Amar'e is a no defense playing, primadonna, mediocre rebounding, non passing black hole, who can't create his own offense too well, isn't a post player and has had multiple knee surgeries.

And Boozer is a no defense playing, selfish, injury-prone, horrid shot-blocker, who will just as likely stab you in the back as he is to hit a free throw in the clutch.

Both players have flaws and I wouldn't mind either, but given the system the Nets are running I'd prefer to have Amare attacking and finishing at the rim than Boozer taking turn-around fadeaway jumpers.

Plus the amount of fouls Amare & Devin would wrack up on the other team would be ridiculous =D!