Trade Idea

[vincecarter4pres]

Something a little different. It should make us a playoff team and depending on Brook and the other guy's development and how our rookie pans out.
It doesn't touch our core at all and retains our 2010 draft picks, which should be very valuable. It makes us older and younger at the exact same time.
This idea would have to involve a third team, so it's not a finished product, more like an open ended idea.

NJ sends:
Bobby Simmons
Empanada Najera(Maybe? Hopefully!)
11th overall pick
Yi Jianlian
Sean Williams

NJ recieves:
Antawn Jamison
5th overall pick
Small expiring filler if necessary

Well, 1st off it must be said that Washington fans seem to almost unanimously agree they would take an expiring for Jamison, but they don't think their management would because he is the owners favorite player and would only trade him to upgrade the lineup, not to save money.
So that means a third team would have to come in and take expirings, our lotto pick and Yi for their player(s) and that player(s) would be rerouted to Washington.

Maybe something like Amar'e. I know, I know. You're saying, but if that is all it would take why wouldn't we just target Amar'e ourselves?
Well I am going on the assumption Amar'e would not resign to come here, but would to go to Washington. On top of that, he would cost a lot more then Jamison and we would lose our ick altogether, instead of upgrading to the 5th and getting James Harden or Jordan Hill to be another huge piece of our overall young core. On top of all this, Amar'e is just an example.

2nd thing is this. I know Jamison is old and paid too much in the final 2 years of his contract, but truthfully, he makes sense. He is the type of outside shooting threat and strong rebounder that would stretch defenses and work very well with Brook. He's not permanent either and would be a good player for Anderson to learn from. Truthfully, Jamison really doesn't look to be slowling down much either. He isn't based much on athleticism and has taken extremely good care of his body. That said, he is a mediocre defender and goes into blackhole mode sometimes on offense.

3rd thing. We upgrade to the 5th overall pick in the draft. Even though we instantly upgrade the lineup and should become a succesful playoff team in the present and immediate future, we also take a huge step in the right direction by getting a big piece for the present and future in a stud like Harden or Jordan Hill. When Carter and Jamison come off the books, we have young guys who have already been major contributors to a playoff team, that have learned from similar star players to come right in and take over for the next 10 years. they would likely be one of the scariest young lineups in the league all entering their prime together, with Devin right at his absolute peak.



Listen, I like Boozer, but is he really the answer? And how does he realistically get here?

We aren't getting Amar'e.

David West would include having to take on Peja, if NOH really decides to do the smart thing and completely blow it up for a year and rebuild in 2010. I could see Ratner and NJ taking on some salary, but I don't know about that tye of money, just to be the 3rd or 4th best in the East and to give away cheap pieces of our future like the 11th pick.

I don't see any of the big FA's coming here in 2010 or even 2011, cause no player is going to sign here if we aren't sure of our future arena. And although some wouldn't mind playing in Newark, most of the real big time players are going to be thinking Brooknam or bust.

Then there is always the fact other trades can and will come up in the next couple seasons, but you can't always sit on your hands when a great move is there for the taking.

So, what do you think?
If you do like the idea, try to come up with a realistic and viable third team and player to involve.

[deviljets7]

Very interesting idea. I've pondered some ideas with Jamison since I agree about the way he'd fit with Lopez. Usually they were ideas with Vince that would enable the Nets to create $5 or so million in 2010/11 space.

It should also be noted that from a NJ standpoint, this deal works cap wise with Hassell instead of Simmons. If the idea is to build up the roster in the present, it'd be much easier to make another deal with that swap.

In the end, I'd still rather not blow any shot at cap room for an over-30 player such as Jamison. If you can do Jamison for expirings and Najera, I'd be more motivated to dump Carter for expirings. With that, along with WASH's reluctance to trade Jamison for expirings...

NJ Trades: Vince Carter, Eduardo Najera, Yi and pick #11 (Total: $22,317,650)
NJ Gets: Antawan Jamison, Etan Thomas, Luke Ridnour and pick #5 ($25,495,595)

MIL Trades: Luke Ridnour (Total: $6,500,000)
MIL Gets: Eduardo Najera and pick #33 ($3,000,000)

WAS Trades: Antawn Jamison, Etan Thomas, picks #5 and #33 (Total: $18,995,595)
WAS Gets: Vince Carter, Yi and pick #11 (Total: $19,317,650)

As you stated, Jamison is a very good fit next to Brook Lopez. Trading up from 11 to 5 put the Nets in prime solution to get Vince's replacement in Harden or DeRozan. This deal also cuts a staggering $11.2 million off of the 2010/11 payroll. Assuming you exercise the option on Dooling and decline the ones on Boone/Sean, you'd have between $37-38 million committed to 9 players (counts the 2010 picks) for that season.

The Wizards get that impact player you talked about in Carter, while cutting a year of Jamison's deal and not adding any salary in 2009/10.

The Bucks get the immediate financial relief ($3.5 mil before lux tax implications) they need to retain Sessions and CV. They take on some contract length with Najera, but the added pick, helps compensate for that.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm not gonna lie, your idea works as well, although the Vince Carter fan in me says. "Damn, why can't we do the deal and keep him?", lol. Also, if Brook made a big leap, you never know how things pan out and that team could realistically make he Conference Finals and possibly take the whole thing down.
I know, extremely optomistic thinking and a couple breaks would have to go our way, such as a team like Boston or Cleveland getting knocked out before we had to see them and a key guy getting injured to one of the other teams, similar to Garnett or Jameer Nelson going down this year, well before the playoffs.

Just remember< no matter how optomistically you like to think no Brooklyn no FA

[aussienet]

Good Ideas from both of you. I think I like Deviljets the most

[deviljets7]

I'm not gonna lie, your idea works as well, although the Vince Carter fan in me says. "Damn, why can't we do the deal and keep him?", lol. Also, if Brook made a big leap, you never know how things pan out and that team could realistically make he Conference Finals and possibly take the whole thing down.
I know, extremely optomistic thinking and a couple breaks would have to go our way, such as a team like Boston or Cleveland getting knocked out before we had to see them and a key guy getting injured to one of the other teams, similar to Garnett or Jameer Nelson going down this year, well before the playoffs.

Just remember< no matter how optomistically you like to think no Brooklyn no FA

Well, after realizing that the deal you proposed works with Hassell, I'm a lot more open to it, if combined with a Simmons for a SG/SF on a 2-year deal (J-Rich?). Probably expecting too much for a money standpoint, but that makes the "go for it" aspect look a lot more viable. Plus, with said wing and Vince off the books, cap space in 2011/12 is still in play.

[deviljets7]

Just remember< no matter how optomistically you like to think no Brooklyn no FA

Sadly that's likely true, especially you're top level FA's. It's a reason why I'm very wary of a Vince trade that's a pure salary dump. That's why I'd rather do Vince for a productive/cheaper player (Jamison, Rip, Gerald Wallace, etc.), while getting $6-8 million in cap space over the pure salary dump. Even if you're right about the summer of 2010, I still haven't gutted my roster in an attempt to get that cap room.

However, I could see adding 2 above-average guys to deals over the MLE with that cap space to add to a Harris/Lopez + core (going on your Orlando type-team, theory) as a possibility. Even if that isn't there, we've seen what teams have been able to leverage cap space into from teams hurting financially. Considering how long it's been since this team has had that type of leverage, I'd still want the space to do a Kurt Thomas type trade and wait a year for free agency.

[amk482]

I dont think the Nets have any interest in making a move for Jamsion, even if they move to up # 5.

[S.I.C. GM]

I would trade VC, #11, Yi, and if needed any filler for Butler, Etan/Haywood, 5th pick and/or #33 pick what they consider a bad contract filler.

Then I would hope Harden falls or pick up Best Available Player

Harris
Harden
Butler
Etan/Haywood or low FA signing Moose
Lopez

[lurkingobeiscity]

I really don't like getting Jamison. Not a good defender, old, and gets paid too much for too long. I don't think I'd agree with any trade which brought him here.

[SteveNets15]

Yea i would much rather go after Butler.How about VC,Anderson and #11 for Butler,Haywood and #5.
Thoughts? I think the Wiz would want a little more coming back there way but this would be great for the NETS in my opinion.

[deviljets7]

Considering age and salary, I don't think there's any way the Wizards would consider a Vince for Butler swap. The idea of adding #11 for #5 and/or Haywood is pure fantasy.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yea i would much rather go after Butler.How about VC,Anderson and #11 for Butler,Haywood and #5.
Thoughts? I think the Wiz would want a little more coming back there way but this would be great for the NETS in my opinion.

There isn't a snowball chance in hell Washington does that. That is so skewed in NJ's favor it isn't even funny.

[vincecarter4pres]

I would trade VC, #11, Yi, and if needed any filler for Butler, Etan/Haywood, 5th pick and/or #33 pick what they consider a bad contract filler.

Then I would hope Harden falls or pick up Best Available Player

Harris
Harden
Butler
Etan/Haywood or low FA signing Moose
Lopez

Again, as devilsjets7 said about the other trade, this is pure fantasy.

Yi and the 11 could very well be enough for the move up to #5, but then you're asking for Caron Butler and either a big expiring or a really good player for VC, not happening.

[Rich Rane]

Yi and the 11 could very well be enough for the move up to #5, but then you're asking for Caron Butler and either a big expiring or a really good player for VC, not happening.

If this was really what it took, I'd do it and pick up Hill or Harden. Getting Jamison though scares the hell out of me...

[vincecarter4pres]

Yi and the 11 could very well be enough for the move up to #5, but then you're asking for Caron Butler and either a big expiring or a really good player for VC, not happening.

If this was really what it took, I'd do it and pick up Hill or Harden. Getting Jamison though scares the hell out of me...

I am not saying it's likely, or that their front office would do it, or that it's even the best offer out there, but a lot of washington posters said they would definitely take the 11th, Yi and Trenton Hassell's expiring contract for the 5th and Darius Songalia.

[SteveNets15]

Yea i would much rather go after Butler.How about VC,Anderson and #11 for Butler,Haywood and #5.
Thoughts? I think the Wiz would want a little more coming back there way but this would be great for the NETS in my opinion.

There isn't a snowball chance in hell Washington does that. That is so skewed in NJ's favor it isn't even funny.

Yea i know but what if the trade was VC,Anderson and #11 for Butler and Haywood.That would give the Wiz 3 picks this year,our 1st rnd pick from last year in Anderson and VC.That would suck that we wouldn't have a pick this year but maybe we could still trade someone for a pick if not we still have 2 1st rnders next year.

[vincecarter4pres]

I would never do that.
I like Butler a lot, but VC is still the better or at least equal player and Butler is crazy injury prone. Add to that the fact when Butler's contract is up he is too old to resign long term and I don't like the swap at all.
Haywood is a nice player, but the 11 and Anderson is somewhat of an overpay. Add to that he is coming off season ending knee surgery and is a player that relied a lot on his athleticism. Add to that the fact he is a true starting quality center, so where do you play him?
Sure it's a nice luxury to have a guy that good on the bench, but I don't think he's going to appreciate it, so then how and why do you resign him?
Again, I'll easily pass on that one, uness you have a third team involved that sends us back serious value for Haywood, and even then, you again have to deal with the inevitable major chunk of the season Butler ALWAYS misses and the fact he can't hit the 3 ball reliably to save his life and he doesn't do us much good. Butler's a guy NJ only goes after if Washington was having a fire sale for some odd reason and the value was too much to pass up.

[SteveNets15]

Yea your right now that i think about.I'd rather just keep VC he's better than Butler anyway.