Nets Moving Down A Real Option

SeabassP · Post #1 » by **SeabassP** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:47 pm

http://netsarescorching.com/2009/06/16/ ... ssibility/

From everything I am hearing Omri Casspi is a solid player. If we get something while trading down (some more picks for example), I like this move.

Preludepunk27 · Post #2 » by **Preludepunk27** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:11 pm

Casspri is basically one of those hard nosed small forwards along the lines of Nocioni. Hate him on other teams, love him on your own.

Chad Ford is saying we're in love with Terrance Williams too and are considering trading down to Minny's pick at 18.

If that actually happens, I'd laugh my balls off because in a thread yesterday or sunday I asked would anyone be willing to trade #11 to Minny for #18 and #28.

amk482 · Post #3 » by **amk482** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:08 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:Casspri is basically one of those hard nosed small forwards along the lines of Nocioni. Hate him on other teams, love him on your own.

Chad Ford is saying we're in love with Terrance Williams too and are considering trading down to Minny's pick at 18.

If that actually happens, I'd laugh my balls off because in a thread yesterday or sunday I asked would anyone be willing to trade #11 to Minny for #18 and #28.

you have the link?

Preludepunk27 · Post #4 » by **Preludepunk27** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:11 pm

Check his latest mock draft that he posted this morning. He still has us taking Tyler Fishface at #11. If Jennings is there, I can see us drafting him and trading down to 18/28 with Minny. We'll see. I'll post the link in a minute.

If you don't have insider, this is what Ford put at 11:

PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

New Jersey

Tyler Hansbrough
Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 234
Age: 23
School: North Carolina
Analysis: I know a lot of people were shocked when we put Hansbrough here this week, but sources continue to insist that he and Louisville's Terrence Williams are the front-runners now in New Jersey.

Rod Thorn has said he needs a moose, and in fact, the Nets have needs at both forward positions. But the three best candidates -- DeJuan Blair, Earl Clark and James Johnson -- all have issues. Blair's medical reports have created major red flags about his knees. Johnson is carrying around some baggage from his Wake Forest days. And Clark isn't the physical player they're really looking for.

Williams has his own set of issues that teams are sorting through, which gives Hansbrough a legit shot at going this high. He isn't going to be a dominant player in the league, but he has been productive, is as tough as nails and has measured better than expected in size and athleticism.

Then at #18 with Minny's pick he said:

PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Minnesota
(via Miami)

Terrence Williams
Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 213
Age: 21
School: Louisville

Analysis: I'm not sure if the Wolves will keep this pick -- it appears that a number of teams that want Williams would be willing to trade for it, including the Nets, Knicks, Warriors and Thunder.

If the Wolves keep the pick and take Williams, he would bolster their small forward spot.

Post #5 » by **Hansel** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:24 pm

SeabassP wrote:http://netsarescorching.com/2009/06/16/nets-moving-down-a-legitimate-possibility/

From everything I am hearing Omri Casspi is a solid player. If we get something while trading down (some more picks for example), I like this move.

I read that on DE earlier today too and think this guy is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I'd be really surprised if we trade down from 11 to wherever to get Casspi + a second.

Post #6 » by **Hansel** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:25 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:Casspri is basically one of those hard nosed small forwards along the lines of Nocioni. Hate him on other teams, love him on your own.

Chad Ford is saying we're in love with Terrance Williams too and are considering trading down to Minny's pick at 18.

If that actually happens, I'd laugh my balls off because in a thread yesterday or sunday I asked would anyone be willing to trade #11 to Minny for #18 and #28.

Yeah, trading down from 11 to 18/28 to take Williams would be amazing. Could potentially get Casspi at 28, but it's unlikely. Definitely some players there though. Williams/Hansbrough would be a sick net from the first round.

Preludepunk27 · Post #7 » by **Preludepunk27** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:31 pm

I wouldn't be uber pumped if we got fishface. I'd pray we have a deal in place for a mid 2nd rounder for either Boone or Williams and then I'd sleep a little better.

With that said, if we get 18/28 I'd be looking at Johnson/Williams at 18 and Mills/Lawson/Casspri at 28 in my opinion.

RC52 · Post #8 » by **RC52** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:35 pm

What do NJ fans think about #11 for Travis Outlaw and #24 (assuming Casspi is available)

Preludepunk27 · Post #9 » by **Preludepunk27** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:43 pm

I'm gonna pass on that. It's not bad don't get me wrong, but Outlaw didn't really wow me at the deadline and he doesn't wow me enough to give up #11. I'd rather go with Earl Clark there. If you made Rudy/#24 or Bayless/#24 for #11/either Swat or Boone then you got a deal. I don't think Portland would ever do that, so for this draft, i don't think we're good partners.

You guys need a solid Vet anyway, not another young guy who you'll lose in a few years because you can't stay under the lux tax and pay off those kids.

amk482 · Post #10 » by **amk482** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:00 pm

RC52 wrote:What do NJ fans think about #11 for Travis Outlaw and #24 (assuming Casspi is available)

dont think outlaw is remotely close enough to move up 13 spots.

Post #11 » by **Hansel** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:37 am

amk482 wrote:
RC52 wrote:What do NJ fans think about #11 for Travis Outlaw and #24 (assuming Casspi is available)

dont think outlaw is remotely close enough to move up 13 spots.

jeff1624 · Post #12 » by **jeff1624** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:44 am

I'd rather we move up and try to nab Derozan or Harden if he falls to #5(doubtful).

Rockice_8 · Post #13 » by **Rockice_8** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:58 pm

Chad Ford also proposes a deal between us and Wash. VC for #5 Etan, Mike James, and one other scrub. I wouldn't mind that to much. We keep #11 and grab Harden or Curry at 5 and nab Clark at 11.

Harris
Harden/Curry
Clark
Thomas
Lopez

Not a bad line up

Preludepunk27 · Post #14 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:16 pm

Rockice_8 wrote:Chad Ford also proposes a deal between us and Wash. VC for #5 Etan, Mike James, and one other scrub. I wouldn't mind that to much. We keep #11 and grab Harden or Curry at 5 and nab Clark at 11.

Harris
Harden/Curry
Clark
Thomas
Lopez

Not a bad line up

That's full rebuilding mode, but if we got Harden and Clark, I'm gonna agree to that deal if Etan is an expiring too. Demand they take Najera too lol.

vincecarter4pres · Post #15 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:00 am

No exxageration, no overreacting, I might honestly renounce NJ as my team if we draft Hansborough at any pick, or take Lawson at 11.
I think the only way I would become a fan again is if Rod immediately fired Kiki and then resigned.

Post #16 » by **Hansel** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:24 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:No exxageration, no overreacting, I might honestly renounce NJ as my team if we draft Hansborough at any pick, or take Lawson at 11.
I think the only way I would become a fan again is if Rod immediately fired Kiki and then resigned.

Why would you possibly be so against those two guys? Lawson is incredibly underrated. He is absolutely a lottery pick talent. Yeah, he is short, but he didn't measure in at 5'6". He was 5'11+. Could be a lot worse. He has ridiculous speed/quickness and is extremely strong for a PG. Just knows how to play. I'd love to someone grab another pick and take him in the late teens but I wouldn't lose it if he was the 11th pick. Lawson was just ranked #1 on Hollinger's adjusted board too, and he has good history with that.

I also don't get the hate on Hansbrough. He's not going to be a superstar or anything but how is a hardworking, strong, and very SKILLED player so knocked? I don't want him at 11 either but damn, I bet he becomes a great role player.

vincecarter4pres · Post #17 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:06 am

Tyler Hansborough's ceiling is Udonis Haslem. Not his likely/middle scenario, but his ceiling.
He is Kris Humphries 2.0 waiting to happen, keep him away from my team.

Ty Lawson is going to be a career backup at best. He reminds me a lot of Mateen Cleaves.
He is 5'11, that's terrible 1st off. Not many short points are succesful, maybe for a season or 2, but they are mainly mediocre. People keep pointing at Jameer Nelson, but honestly, he has been a scrub up until last season and then he was injured. On top of the fact he's crazy overrated.
Matter of fact, Ty Lawson is crazy overrated, not underraated. He has frigging T-rex arms and he isn't that explosive. He will get exposed big time on the NBA level, he's a decent system player, nothing more. He is certainly not lotto talent. He had a brief stint on mock drafts where they were putting him lotto and I thought it was insane. This guy would have very been lucky to go 1st round last year and he hasn't improved a lick, same goes for Psycho T. His outside shot does not have the range needed to stretch defenses and I can't see that improving, considering he has very good accuracy from the college distance and is insanely strong, so how does he improve his range?
There are 5 to 9 better point guard prospects in this draft alone easy.

I would take Pendergraph and Adrien all day over Hansborough and Blair over him is a flatout no brainer, and there aren't many point guards in this draft at all that I would take behind Lawson.