What would you want for Harris? (From TOR)

[Silk Wilkes]

Hey Nets fans, just wanted to know, what kind of deal would Toronto have to offer to get Devin Harris in a Raptors uniform if in fact he is actually on the block? If it's something surrounding Chris Bosh it could be tough because the idea would be to pair Harris and Bosh but I want to see what you guys have to say first.

[waverider]

POR offers Rudy Fernandez or Bayless, Outlaw, and the 24 pick, and or 2nd rdrs we own,

[Preludepunk27]

Unfortunately to me, Toronto has nothing up substance I think the Nets would really want besides Bosh. We'd try to give you a lot of front court guys not named Brook Lopez, but most of the guys with value are similar to your pasta man so it wouldn't interest you guys. Maybe in a few years we'll be good trade partners.

For Portland, I don't think Devin would elevate you to where you need to be. I think Vince would help you a lot more.

[Revolutionistt]

In order for toronto to get devin they gotta send bosh, 5 future unprotected first round picks PLUS this years first rounder, the rights to sign any toronto player at any time during the season at no penalty for the next 10 years, and theyd have to pay the car insurance for every registered citizen in the state of new jersey. but i still dont see Thorn pulling the trigger on this deal.

[Preludepunk27]

Haha a I think the car insurance becomes a deal breaker for Toronto. That's a LOT of money.

[J08]

In order for toronto to get devin they gotta send bosh, 5 future unprotected first round picks PLUS this years first rounder, the rights to sign any toronto player at any time during the season at no penalty for the next 10 years, and theyd have to pay the car insurance for every registered citizen in the state of new jersey. but i still dont see Thorn pulling the trigger on this deal.

You are a very funny guy. Devin Harris is good but the only reason he had a good season is because the rest of your team is filled with losers nad drug junkies like vc and sean Williams

Take it easy.

- Rich Rane

[SteveNets15]

I went to the tradechecker to try and come up with a trade but Toronto's roster is hot trash wow.They better hope Bosh re-signs with them.

[Hansel]

In order for toronto to get devin they gotta send bosh, 5 future unprotected first round picks PLUS this years first rounder, the rights to sign any toronto player at any time during the season at no penalty for the next 10 years, and theyd have to pay the car insurance for every registered citizen in the state of new jersey. but i still dont see Thorn pulling the trigger on this deal.

You are a very funny guy. Devin Harris is good but the only reason he had a good season is because the rest of your team is filled with losers nad drug junkies like vc and sean Williams

So true

[Rich Rane]

Only trade I see NJ and TOR doing is if Bosh is coming over. Seeing as that won't happen, I don't see anything even near a rumor right now.

[Silk Wilkes]

In order for toronto to get devin they gotta send bosh, 5 future unprotected first round picks PLUS this years first rounder, the rights to sign any toronto player at any time during the season at no penalty for the next 10 years, and theyd have to pay the car insurance for every registered citizen in the state of new jersey. but i still dont see Thorn pulling the trigger on this deal.

You are a very funny guy. Devin Harris is good but the only reason he had a good season is because the rest of your team is filled with losers nad drug junkies like vc and sean Williams

Take it easy.

- Rich Rane

Why are you trying to start problems man. This is a thread to find out if something could be worked out between Toronto and New Jersey NOT to put their players down. Harris is a stud, nuff said.

Anyways, Nets fans, I guess we're gonna have to wait until the season starts at the very least if Harris is not dealt before then. Take it easy!

[Jersey Generals]

Bosh would have to be part of a deal, but outside of him? Bargnani would be a good fit at PF/C, depending on who is in at the time, but his status does not equate or come close to Harris. If Lopez is in, then Bargnani is PF, if Lopez is out, then Ryan Anderson is PF and Bargnani is C, although that might be bad from a defensive standpoint. Looking at the Raptors' roster, it would be hard to swing a deal just involving Toronto and the Nets, one that's fair at least.

Could do something like this:

Raptors get- Devin Harris, Josh Boone.
Raptors give- Andrea Bargnani, Roko Ukic, Patrick O'Bryant, 2009 first round pick, and an unprotected 2011 first rounder.*

Nets get- Andrea Bargnani, Roko Ukic, Patrick O'Bryant, 2009 #9, and an unprotected 2011 first rounder.
Nets give- Devin Harris, Josh Boone.

*If the Raptor's want it protected, then we can make it into a three team deal where Calderon gets shipped out and Toronto gets a player back and a pick from that team goes the Nets way.

With the two 2009 picks, the Nets could see if they can move up and grab Rubio or somebody else, or they could get Jonny Flynn and Earl Clark with their two picks. If they could get Rubio, great, but I think the Flynn/Clark one would probably be the thing that they'd do.

PG- Ukic/Dooling
SG- CDR/Carter/Dooling
SF- Carter/Clark
PF- Bargnani/Anderson
C- Lopez/Bargnani

Meh, the deal isn't good, I've seen much worse, but its not...terrible, either, especially considering that unprotected first could be something. The deal would be much, much better if we were able to trade up for Rubio, I think, then it might be worth it.

[SpeedyG]

WTF is that THE Hansel I see?

And no, there is no one that Toronto has except Bosh that would intrigue me enough to trade Harris. Not even if you give us the REAL Hansel...

[Preludepunk27]

Bosh would have to be part of a deal, but outside of him? Bargnani would be a good fit at PF/C, depending on who is in at the time, but his status does not equate or come close to Harris. If Lopez is in, then Bargnani is PF, if Lopez is out, then Ryan Anderson is PF and Bargnani is C, although that might be bad from a defensive standpoint. Looking at the Raptors' roster, it would be hard to swing a deal just involving Toronto and the Nets, one that's fair at least.

Could do something like this:

Raptors get- Devin Harris, Josh Boone.
Raptors give- Andrea Bargnani, Roko Ukic, Patrick O'Bryant, 2009 first round pick, and an unprotected 2011 first rounder.*

Nets get- Andrea Bargnani, Roko Ukic, Patrick O'Bryant, 2009 #9, and an unprotected 2011 first rounder.
Nets give- Devin Harris, Josh Boone.

*If the Raptor's want it protected, then we can make it into a three team deal where Calderon gets shipped out and Toronto gets a player back and a pick from that team goes the Nets way.

With the two 2009 picks, the Nets could see if they can move up and grab Rubio or somebody else, or they could get Jonny Flynn and Earl Clark with their two picks. If they could get Rubio, great, but I think the Flynn/Clark one would probably be the thing that they'd do.

PG- Ukic/Dooling
SG- CDR/Carter/Dooling
SF- Carter/Clark
PF- Bargnani/Anderson
C- Lopez/Bargnani

Meh, the deal isn't good, I've seen much worse, but its not...terrible, either, especially considering that unprotected first could be something. The deal would be much, much better if we were able to trade up for Rubio, I think, then it might be worth it.

I'd vomit if this trade went down.

[Jersey Generals]

I'd vomit if this trade went down.

It's bad, but it's not that bad. Bargnani is good, underrated really, and his skill set matches well with Lopez, I just wish he had better rebounding numbers. Plus, put that in conjunction with our overrating Devin Harris, it's not awful, just depends on what we can do with those two picks in this draft and if that unconditional first turns out to be high. But, like I said, its either Bosh or no deal.

[jeff1624]

I'd vomit if this trade went down.

It's bad, but it's not that bad. Bargnani is good, underrated really, and his skill set matches well with Lopez, I just wish he had better rebounding numbers. Plus, put that in conjunction with our overrating Devin Harris, it's not awful, just depends on what we can do with those two picks in this draft and if that unconditional first turns out to be high. But, like I said, its either Bosh or no deal.

Agreed. It's not that bad but I wouldn't do it because it would leave us with a gapping hole at the 1 with no viable solution close by. I'd do it if somehow we involve washington to get their pick AND Rubio somehow falls to #5 which is damn near impossible so it's a moot point.

[Preludepunk27]

I'd vomit if this trade went down.

It's bad, but it's not that bad. Bargnani is good, underrated really, and his skill set matches well with Lopez, I just wish he had better rebounding numbers. Plus, put that in conjunction with our overrating Devin Harris, it's not awful, just depends on what we can do with those two picks in this draft and if that unconditional first turns out to be high. But, like I said, its either Bosh or no deal.

No it's vomit-inducing. Why would we trade Devin for a package with Bargnani at the center of it...when basically Yi and Ryan Anderson are similar versions? THAT is why I would vomit. How many guys like that do we need on our roster? You'd have a point if they weren't on our team, but damn I'm getting a gag-reflex right now.

But yeah you're right at the end, Nets and Raptors are bad partners unless we're landing Bosh.

[vincecarter4pres]

I understand some think other NJ fans are overrating Harris but I feel I really need to reiterate a few things:

1. Harris is about the 5th best point guard in the league.
Derrick Rose is not better then Harris. Sure he might be down the road, but he is not yet.
Mo Williams better?
Jameer Nelson?

Hell, I was browsing the NetsDaily forums today and saw someone say Raymond Felton is better then Devin. Really? Ban this fool.
BTW, that forum is hot trash.

2. NJ Nets were 3-10 in 13 games Harris missed this season. For all the talk of people saying Harris will never win this team anything, that he needs to avaerage more assists, that he needs to rededicate to defense, that he doesn't involve teammates enough, etc., etc., team wins need to be included as the forefront of how a point guard is valuable to their team.

3. Pass 1st point guards have rarely been the big part of championship winners, rarely, especially recently. You need a balanced point guard that can score the rock exceptionally well. Recent and overall history shows us this, along with Finals MVP winners. The glory years of Kidd have jaded people and seems to be giving people a hate and negative bias towards the modern type of point guard. Kidd was an anamoly, a HOF stud that dominated similar to Magic Johnson, just never had the insane supporting cast and the HOF coach that Magic did.

4. Harris has yet to reach his potential ceiling or peak, he is close, but is far from a finished product.
He just turned 26 and is going into the 3rd year he was really allowed to do his thing with limited restrictions.

5. Myth: Harris has proven nothing and is not a winner. The guy was a MAJOR piece of a team that went to the NBA Finals, made numerous playoff runs and a team that won 62 games in a season.

6. Harris is signed to one of the best non rookie deals in the league for an Allstar, period.

7. Another Myth: Harris is a selfish chucker that doesn't ever look to get teammates involved.
This team has one of the worst and youngest rosters in the league, with very little in the departmetn of scoring options. Harris was given the green light and told to take over, he basically had to. For all the lack of offensive options we have, those non-options aren't even elite defenders. What you are seeing of Harris is close, but not necessarily even his true style, it is just what is required of him in the recent past, present and possibly near future. The efficiency in which Harris is scoring in regard to his position and limited outside shot just proved how effective and impactful a player he is.

8. Even with Harris' disregard for defense last year, he is still a MUCH better defender then guys such as Mo Williams, Derrick Rose, Nash, Bibby, Augustin, Stuckey, Aaron Brooks, TJ Ford, Parker and the list goes on and on.

9. Harris seems to be his own biggest critic even though he is very confident, to the point of being almost cocky. This is a great thing for a star player. He has readily admitted his defense stunk, he took too many 3's and he needs to get his teammates more involved, and this as mainly unprovoked.

10. He is a high level competitor with a will to succeed and win. He says a lot of the right things, speaks well and seems to be a high character guy. Seems to want to get better and actually and truly enjoys the game of basketball and what he does for a living. He interviews well and doesn't shy away from the limelight, but isn't a media whore. Do not fool yourselves, guys like him don't grow on trees and a lot of "stars" in this league aren't this outgoing or humble, while still being confident and cocky.

[lurkingobeiscity]

^Thank you.

And I completely agree about Netsdaily. Absolutely great place for news and everything Nets related but you have to wonder what goes through the heads of some of the people there.