This team reminds me of...

crazykidd2k6 · Post #1 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:44 pm

I must say this team reminds me of a very young Spurs team. It's so wierd how the team is made its almost exactly the same.

PG- Harris=Parker
SG- Lee=Finley
SF- T-Will=Bowen
PF- Yi- this is the only difference
C- Lopez=Duncan
6th-CDR=Manu

enetric · Post #2 » by **enetric** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:46 pm

Did you just compared Lopez to Duncan and CDR to Manu??????

What exactly was the comparison? All men with seasonal alergies?

crazykidd2k6 · Post #3 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 5:51 pm

i'm not saying Both Lopez and CDR are as good as both Duncan and Manu however they do have that similar mentality. Both Duncan and Brook have that fundemental scoring mentality. Duncan is the better shooter and more finesse. Both CDR and Manu has that unorthodox mentality. They both love to drive in. Manu is by far the better shooter. I can't really explain what i'm trying to say but basically I think both of those players kinda have that same effect in the game.

enetric · Post #4 » by **enetric** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:01 pm

Listen...when you are talking about players THAT good...it would be hard to compare other all stars to them let alone second year players who have shown a bit of promise on a bad rebuilding team.

jeff1624 · Post #5 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:18 pm

I love Brook but I have yet to understand why some people compare him to Tim Duncan. No disrespect to you, I mean in general.

Eariler this year people on this board did the same thing. Duncan was a superstar his rookie year that instantly became the Spurs best player despite playing alongside an all time great in David Robinson. He lead his team to the finals in his 2nd year and won Finals MVP.

He was a Defensive beast who has yet to average less than 10.7 in a season(something I don't ever see brook reachingm, even in his best year).

It's not really fair to compare the two.

vincecarter4pres · Post #6 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:34 pm

I get where crazykidd is going though.

Brook is a defensive anchor, he's fundamental and bit mechanical, underrated athleticism, kind of an old school throwback type of game.

CDR is unorthodox, kind of awkward , athletic slasher, plays good defense, high BBIQ, I see where he's going.

Harris is definitely a Parker style clone, no disclaimers needed. He's not as good, but may eventually be and they have a very similar game and skillset.

I don't think it's especially fair to our or San An's players to compare them straight up, but as a team blueprint and style the comparison can be made if this team is used as should be, although we should have a lot more run and fastbreak to our gameplan.

I myself have and will make the comment/comparison of Brook as Duncan Lite, or a poor man's(alright a homeless man's) Duncan, but in the same sense people used to call Deron Williams a poor man's Jason Kidd or Kidd Lite, or in the same way people are calling Love the next Elton Brand without the shotblocking.

enetric · Post #7 » by **enetric** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:45 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:I get where crazykidd is going though.

Brook is a defensive anchor, he's fundamental and bit mechanical, underrated athleticism, kind of an old school throwback type of game.

CDR is unorthodox, kind of awkward , athletic slasher, plays good defense, high BBIQ, I see where he's going.

Harris is definitely a Parker style clone, no disclaimers needed. He's not as good, but may eventually be and they have a very similar game and skillset.

I don't think it's especially fair to our or San An's players to compare them straight up, but as a team blueprint and style the comparison can be made if this team is used as should be, although we should have a lot more run and fastbreak to our gameplan.

I myself have and will make the comment/comparison of Brook as Duncan Lite, or a poor man's(alright a homeless man's) Duncan, but in the same sense people used to call Deron Williams a poor man's Jason Kidd or Kidd Lite, or in the same way people are calling Love the next Elton Brand without the shotblocking.

I really like Brook Lopez...bu Duncan lite? You have a better chance of convincing me he is Sandy Duncan lite.

Great rook year...lets not get ahead of ourselves.

vincecarter4pres · Post #8 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:03 pm

Well. look at Duncan's impact, style of game and #'s.

Now I know I'm going with a bunch of if's again, but if Brook is say, a year in, year out 18 and 10 guy with 2 blocks and 2 assists a game, that is the defensive anchor of the team and you can run the offense through him to a limited extent and has a lot of playoff success, wouldn't that be considered Duncan Lite, or a poor man's Duncan, again, especially since their actual style and physical build is similar, even as far as to say their personalities?

crazykidd2k6 · Post #9 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 8:26 pm

Lets not forget Duncan played all 4 years in Wake Forest and Brook stayed for only 2 years in Stanford. Basically his rookie year was Duncan's junior year in college. What i'm trying to say is Duncan definitely has more experience than Brook in there rookie years. Duncan was expected that he would be an impact player already in his rookie year. Brook was expected to be only a role player which he lived up to, maybe even more. We have to wait for Brook to play 2 more years and to have a bigger role to really know if he can be compared to Duncan. I say if he develops his quickness in the next 2 years, I say he is not far off from Tim.

With CDR, Its pretty crazy comparing him to Manu. Obviously Manu is the much better player in the skill and talent level. However, I see him bringing the same impact Manu brings. Which is basically energy, fearlessness, and that different leadership.

vincecarter4pres · Post #10 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 8:39 pm

Crazykidd, let's not go too crazy. Duncan might literally be the best power forward of all time, period.
Even if Brook vastly improves and beyond his impact, puts up big #'s, just being held in the same breath as Duncan is a major accomplishment and compliment.
Saying he will actually be the next Timmy is, well, crazy.

It's not like it could never happen, but I mean, this soon?

Plus Duncan, extra 2 years of college or not, he would have been nearly as good as a NBA rookie even if he came out after his sophomore year and his rookie and sophomore stats in the NBA, let alone his impact on games, was just remarkable.

I like Brook a lot, and I think he has amazing potential and upside, but you're getting a little carried away now. I thought I knew where you were going with this, but it seems you really think Brook can literally be the next Duncan and that just isn't the case.
Duncan was so polished even in college and yet still improved dramatically year after year, meanwhile Brook has two cons for every pro to his game.

crazykidd2k6 · Post #11 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:05 pm

Actually... Your right I did get too carried I just thought about how good Tim Duncan and I realize on how good Duncan's Face to the basket offense and how well he handles the ball for a big Which Brook is totally under in. I never thought about it for some reason. However, even though he won't be as good as Duncan I still see him averaging 20-10-2 in the future. Which is basically the same stats as Duncan. Duncan is just better because he can do more things than Lopez which makes have more impact in the game than Brook.

halfHAVOC · Post #12 » by **halfHAVOC** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:43 am

in a couple of years maybe

style of play wise, yes.

but i think CDR will start at the 3....

crazykidd2k6 · Post #13 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:47 am

CDR won't play the 3 he is too weak and too small to play the 3. Plus he is a good ballhandler so he will either play Point or Shooting Guard. He creates his own and he is no finisher so there is no way he would play the 3. Maybe if the nets, goes small at times they would put him in the 3. Other than that he wont play the 3

enetric · Post #14 » by **enetric** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:31 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Well. look at Duncan's impact, style of game and #'s.

Now I know I'm going with a bunch of if's again, but if Brook is say, a year in, year out 18 and 10 guy with 2 blocks and 2 assists a game, that is the defensive anchor of the team and you can run the offense through him to a limited extent and has a lot of playoff success, wouldn't that be considered Duncan Lite, or a poor man's Duncan, again, especially since their actual style and physical build is similar, even as far as to say their personalities?

Well, you just descibed stats wise JO or Gasol. And you know what? Those guys have been all stars and would still struggle calling them TD lite.

I hate TD. But he is one of the greatest to ever play his position.

Here is the thing. Stats arent enough to make this comment after one year.

enetric · Post #15 » by **enetric** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:35 am

crazykidd2k6 wrote:Lets not forget Duncan played all 4 years in Wake Forest and Brook stayed for only 2 years in Stanford. Basically his rookie year was Duncan's junior year in college. What i'm trying to say is Duncan definitely has more experience than Brook in there rookie years. Duncan was expected that he would be an impact player already in his rookie year. Brook was expected to be only a role player which he lived up to, maybe even more. We have to wait for Brook to play 2 more years and to have a bigger role to really know if he can be compared to Duncan. I say if he develops his quickness in the next 2 years, I say he is not far off from Tim.

With CDR, Its pretty crazy comparing him to Manu. Obviously Manu is the much better player in the skill and talent level. However, I see him bringing the same impact Manu brings. Which is basically energy, fearlessness, and that different leadership.

I like CDR. Having said that...wouldnt be shocked to see him Europe in 2 more years.

And your comments about Lopez? let me ask...would you say as I just mentioned...Gasol isnt far off from TD all time?

Let me help you out. I like and respect Pau Gasol....but for a career he is FAR off Tim Duncan all time. Right now Lopez had a good rook year and nothing more on a bad team. Lets give him some time and lets see how he impacts winning.

What I like best about him? I love bigs who make ft's.

enetric · Post #16 » by **enetric** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:39 am

crazykidd2k6 wrote:Actually... Your right I did get too carried I just thought about how good Tim Duncan and I realize on how good Duncan's Face to the basket offense and how well he handles the ball for a big Which Brook is totally under in. I never thought about it for some reason. However, even though he won't be as good as Duncan I still see him averaging 20-10-2 in the future. Which is basically the same stats as Duncan. Duncan is just better because he can do more things than Lopez which makes have more impact in the game than Brook.

You should look up how few guys in the last 10 years have averaged 20-10-2.

Why dont you take a list of established bigs in the NBA right now...forget Tim Duncan, or Shaq or KG as that these are top 25 all time NBA players. Lets even leave Dirk aside who doesnt get those numbers balance wise.

Pull up just the good bigs in the league. West, Gasol types. And see what it is you are really predicting here.

Let me ask...ho do you think will have the better career...Blake Griffin of Lopez?

Beasley or Lopez?

Because these guys will struggle to get these numbers.

nets3409 · Post #17 » by **nets3409** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:42 am

I see what you are saying but we need more defense are offense is very good but it comes down to that.

vincecarter4pres · Post #18 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:44 pm

E, you like Beasley?
I don't like his game and hate his attitude.
I think his ceiling is Antawn Jamison.

enetric · Post #19 » by **enetric** » Sun Jul 5, 2009 5:43 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:E, you like Beasley?
I don't like his game and hate his attitude.
I think his ceiling is Antawn Jamison.

I am not sure what I think of Beasley yet. But are you prepared to predict a better career for Lopez over Beasley?

Late last season...huge growth for Beasley. BTW....Jamison? Pretty damn good career....and yet a canyon between him and TD. I am just really uncomfortable with that comparison I guess. It didnt come off as an in the mold of comment either.

vincecarter4pres · Post #20 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Jul 5, 2009 6:11 am

Don't get me wrong, I like Jamison, but I think Beasley's ceiling is Jamison, not his floor and you never had to really worry about character issues or work ethic with Jamison and those are major legitimate concerns for Beasley. He could easily wind up Al Harrington v2.0 and out of the 2nd pick in just a stellar draft that isn't too promising in my eyes.
He's a tweener that's really a SF, but maybe a little too slow to be most effective there, so like Jamison, Harrington, Rashard Lewis, etc., he will might wind up playing out of position most of his career.

Right now I am absolutely ready to predict Lopez having the better career.