Courtney Lee

[Da_Kidd]

Lost in all of the major trades, acquisitions and FA signings is the fact that we acquired a young talent in Courtney Lee. In a recent interview, Lee's been quoted as implying that he thinks he can be a dominant scorer in the right system.

What do you think could be Courtney's ceiling as a player in the NBA? Could he just be a role player or, given the right system, can Lee be a consistent no. 2 guy this season?

[vincecarter4pres]

Lost in all the talk of VC being shipped out and Lee coming in is the fact Rod got fleeced, wamboozled and hoodwinked into including Ryan Anderson, future star and current stud.

Lee's ceiling?
Maybe very similar to Rip Hamilton, with a better 3 ball and much more limited playmaking skills?
Sigh...

[NetsForce]

Ryan Anderson isn't a future star... His ceiling is that of a solid role player. The guy will never be a starter but he has all the makings of an EXCELLENT bench player.

Ryan is instant offense off the bench and has a great basketball IQ on offense... He's the type of guy who can heat up and bring a team back from a big deficit...

[vincecarter4pres]

Why can't he be a future star? I don't get what gives the people the impression he is nothing more then a future role player whilst these same people still think Yi has better potential then a role player even though they have a very similar game, yet Ryan is younger and already much better.
Is it the color of his skin(yeah that's right I pulled the race card! Bwahahahah...)?

[NetsForce]

He doesn't have the footspeed or athleticism to be a star. Ryan will never have a large impact on defense either...

I mean let me put it this way name all the STAR power forwards in the last 10 years with below-average first steps / ability to beat their defender off the dribble, with no post game / that struggled to score inside, and primarily got their points off the three-ball while having no impact on the game defensively...

I like Ryan, but you're being INSANELY unrealistically optimistic if you think he can be a STAR power forward.

And NO, Anderson CAN NOT play small forward on a consistent basis (and has even less of a chance of being a star playing SF than he does playing PF anyway).

[vincecarter4pres]

Rashard Lewis is slow footed, a worse rebounder with about equal athleticism. Just an average defender as well.
I am not saying he is going to be some career 20/10 guy, but in the right situation, 18/8 with a big role on a serious playoff team as a matchup nightmare, just like Shard.

[NetsForce]

Rashard Lewis is slow footed, a worse rebounder with about equal athleticism. Just an average defender as well.
I am not saying he is going to be some career 20/10 guy, but in the right situation, 18/8 with a big role on a serious playoff team as a matchup nightmare, just like Shard.

They're different body types and I wouldn't consider Rashard thats slow-footed he just never really learned how to dribble (well I guess I should say he never developed complex dribbling / change of direction moves).

$hard did play small forward effectively for YEARS though, something that will NEVER happen with Anderson.

Because Ryan doesn't have the ability to put the ball on the floor I doubt he'll ever cause the mismatches that Rashard has throughout his career.

I guess at the end of the day part of the problem is that people don't realize that despite popular misconception and where he plays nowadays Rashard is still more of a SF than he is a PF...

[vincecarter4pres]

Rashard used to be a SF, but he's too slow to do that anymore and it's going to be exploited a lot this year if they decide to put VC at the 2 and him at the 3.

Mr. Anderson certainly can put the ball on the floor and was very successful getting into the lane from as far out as the 3 point line, he just had an affinity for getting blocked. If he ever develops a midrange pullup game he's going to be hell on wheels.

[Da_Kidd]

Did not mean this to be a Ryan Anderson vs. Courtney Lee thread but since it was brought up already I would say I'd rather have Lee's upside than Ryan's. You were asking for Ryan to develop a mid-range jumper, Courtney already has one and is not a defensive liability as evidenced by his playoff performance unlike Ryan. But again, if I was to choose between either players' ceiling, I'd choose Lee's.

[ecuhus1981]

Lee projects like Kittles IMO, a speed merchant / efficient scorer / pesky defender SG. He's more built, but they approach the game similarly. Courtney is a MUCH better floor general (in a pinch) than Rip.

Ryan Anderson seems to be a Troy Murphy type. Or, he might end up Brian Cook.

I think there is about a 40/60 chance that we ended up with the worse young player in this deal, 5 years down the road...

[NetsForce]

Lee projects like Kittles IMO, a speed merchant / efficient scorer / pesky defender SG. He's more built, but they approach the game similarly. Courtney is a MUCH better floor general (in a pinch) than Rip.

Ryan Anderson seems to be a Troy Murphy type. Or, he might end up Brian Cook.

I think there is about a 40/60 chance that we ended up with the worse young player in this deal, 5 years down the road...

To be honest I'd take a Kerry Kittles over a Troy Murphy 10 out of 10 times. Murphy is actually a useful player once you look past his defensive shortcomings but Kittles was lock and key on defense.

[Jersey Generals]

I like Lee as a player, though I don't necessarily believe that he is a good sg next to Harris at the point.

[Joel Embust]

Guy can hit it from deep, has a good midrange game, pull-up jumper, plays good defense, teamplayer, plays 110% from start to finish. I wouldn't say no 2 guy, no 3 guy sounds nailed on.

15.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.9 apg 46% FG, 84%FT 1.4 steals, 1.6 threes

[S.I.C. GM]

Rashard Lewis is slow footed, a worse rebounder with about equal athleticism. Just an average defender as well.
I am not saying he is going to be some career 20/10 guy, but in the right situation, 18/8 with a big role on a serious playoff team as a matchup nightmare, just like Shard.

Rashard is still a SF, VC4Prez.

He may have switched off with Turk playing the 4, but the guy is a SF. Now that turk is gone they will look for a true PF. Rashard will play SF exclusively. As for rebounding, for a SF, have you seen his career avgs.

I like Ryan Anderson. If Frank had given him more PT and didnt bench him last year, Ryan would have had a better chance to not be in the trade, but Anderson is going to be a role player. Sorry.

[Preludepunk27]

Rashard Lewis is slow footed, a worse rebounder with about equal athleticism. Just an average defender as well.
I am not saying he is going to be some career 20/10 guy, but in the right situation, 18/8 with a big role on a serious playoff team as a matchup nightmare, just like Shard.

Rashard is still a SF, VC4Prez.

He may have switched off with Turk playing the 4, but the guy is a SF. Now that turk is gone they will look for a true PF. Rashard will play SF exclusively. As for rebounding, for a SF, have you seen his career avgs.

I like Ryan Anderson. If Frank had given him more PT and didnt bench him last year, Ryan would have had a better chance to not be in the trade, but Anderson is going to be a role player. Sorry.

As high as I am on Lee's ability and as disappointed magic fans are losing him, by the end of the year, they are going to love Ryan Anderson. His work ethic is great and he's lights out when he's hot. Hell by the end of the year I could see him getting some serious minutes. The amount of open looks he'd get from the double teams on Vince and Dwight, Ryan will have a field day. Also, I consider Orlando a very unselfish team. All the players on the court are willing to make the extra swing pass for an open jumper. As long as Ryan plays some decent defense (by decent defense, I mean, enough to slow a player until Dwight comes over to help), it's kind of a little outlandish to say, but I could see him as their starting 4 by the end of the year. He doesn't have a great deal of competition right now and he fits into their style of play perfectly.

[ecuhus1981]

Guy can hit it from deep, has a good midrange game, pull-up jumper, plays good defense, teamplayer, plays 110% from start to finish. I wouldn't say no 2 guy, no 3 guy sounds nailed on.

15.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.9 apg 46% FG, 84%FT 1.4 steals, 1.6 threes

Excuse me? What does "no 2 guy, no 3 guy" mean? And where did you extrapolate those stats? And not to be rude, but what are you doing here?

[superLuigi21]

Guy can hit it from deep, has a good midrange game, pull-up jumper, plays good defense, teamplayer, plays 110% from start to finish. I wouldn't say no 2 guy, no 3 guy sounds nailed on.

15.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.9 apg 46% FG, 84%FT 1.4 steals, 1.6 threes

Excuse me? What does "no 2 guy, no 3 guy" mean? And where did you extrapolate those stats? And not to be rude, but what are you doing here?

i beleive he means #2 or #3 offensive option, (i say he's a good 3rd option.)

and i believe those "extrapolated stats" are just a prediction.

pump ya breaks

[NetsForce]

I didn't know that Courtney Lee and Yi Jianlian had already met...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDQoG2Id44I

[Preludepunk27]

I didn't know that Courtney Lee and Yi Jianlian had already met...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDQoG2Id44I

Plays like this give me hope for Yi. He just needs confidence in his shot back and more responsibility in the offense and he'll be fine. He's a better bball IQ than people give him credit for.

[Joel Embust]

Guy can hit it from deep, has a good midrange game, pull-up jumper, plays good defense, teamplayer, plays 110% from start to finish. I wouldn't say no 2 guy, no 3 guy sounds nailed on.

15.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.9 apg 46% FG, 84%FT 1.4 steals, 1.6 threes

Excuse me? What does "no 2 guy, no 3 guy" mean? And where did you extrapolate those stats? And not to be rude, but what are you doing here?

I'm deeply sorry, "living in your mother's basement" type of guy.