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2010 Offseason Thread

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When is it more likely the Nets will make their biggest move, 2010, 2011 or beyond?

2010
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2011
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2012 or later
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2010 Offseason Thread 

Post#1 » by NetsForce » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:39 am

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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#2 » by deviljets7 » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:59 am

Thanks for the info as always. The one thing I'd say is that I'd have to say at least 2 from the group of Dooling, Boone and SWAT for this reason. At that point, the amount of cap room is more in the $26-28 million range. It's not enough to get 2 max players, but enough to add a damn good supporting player with a max FA.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#3 » by jeff1624 » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:07 am

Great job dude. If you don't mind, I posted it in the General board..
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#4 » by NetsForce » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:08 am

jeff1624 wrote:Great job dude. If you don't mind, I posted it in the General board..


I don't mind but... Ohhh General Board how I miss thee... :(
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#5 » by jeff1624 » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:20 am

Damn, I thought the ban was gonna be lifted after the playoffs.. Can't you file a complaint or something?
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#6 » by deviljets7 » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:01 am

NetsForce,

Here is some more info that could be quite helpful in making this thread an all-encompassing guide to the 2010/11 offseason. If you want, you can copy and paste this info into the initial post of the thread.

A special thanks to Larry Coon's FAQ page for this info.

How much is the starting salary of a max-free agent?
For a player who has been in the league 4-6 years (rookie season 2006/07) = 25% of the cap
For a player who has been in the league 7-9 years (rookie season 2003/04) = 30% of the cap
For a player who has been in the league 10+ years (rookie season 2000/01) = 35% of the cap

Using the projected cap number from NetsForce ($56,736,367)
For a player who has been in the league 4-6 years: $14,184,091
For a player who has been in the league 7-9 years: $17,020,910
For a player who has been in the league 10+ years: $19,857,728

Is there a minimum amount of players you have on the roster?
Yes, you have to have 12 players on the roster. Unsigned 1st rounders, RFA's given offer sheets, and UFA's you maintain the Bird rights on count towards the roster. A "roster charge" equal to the rookie minimum ($473,604) is added to the cap for each player under 12 on the roster.

Right now NJ has 12 players for 2010/11 (not counting the 2nd round pick). For every player you remove, without adding another player to the cap, a rookie charge would be added. IE: you decline SWAT's option, the cap savings is truly $2 million, not $2.5 million.

I'll add more to this post as we go along.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#7 » by lurkingobeiscity » Wed Jul 8, 2009 11:00 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4312837

In a memo announcing next season's salary cap and luxury-tax threshold, sent out shortly before the league's annual July moratorium on signings and trades was lifted at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, NBA teams also received tentative projections from the league warning that the cap is estimated to drop to somewhere between $50.4 million and $53.6 million for the 2010-11 season.


For many free agents, the maximum salary will be set at 30% of the salary cap. For others the maximum salary will be 105% the FA's last year's salary.

This means to sign ONE max contract a team needs to be between 35,280,000 and 37,520,000 in salary.

To sign Lebron, Wade or Bosh a team needs to be between 33,831,093 and 37,031,093 in salary.

To sign Amare a team needs to be between 33,202,759 and 36,402,759 in salary.




The Bulls are at 32,421,096 for 6 players assuming Salmons opts out. That also isn't counting Tyrus Thomas' restricted free agency. 35,736,324 including 7 minimum salary place-holders. Their first round pick next year could add another 1.5-2.5 million. They must renounce Tyrus if they want a max FA. Their situation ultimately hinges on Salmons. If Salmons opts out they have cap room for a max free agent. If Salmons does not opt out then they are not players in FA.

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The Cavs cannot sign another max FA to go with Lebron. If Lebron resigned, the Cavs would be on the hook for 43,767,550 with 7 players under contract (I approximated Varajao's contract to 7 mil). Taking into account the 5 minimum salary place-holders, the Cavs are now at 46,135,570.

They have a couple options as far as trimming salary:
Declining Hickson's $1,528,920 option saves them 1,055,316
Cutting Delonte West saves another 3,526,396

This does not bring them close to max contract money however.
(Cutting Jackson saves at most 400,000)

They will have cap space for one contract a bit over the MLE.

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The Mavs aren't even close to cutting it and with the likely signing of Kidd, they aren't doing anything in FA next year. They do have Dampier's contract which will be an amazing trading piece considering the lowering luxury tax. It is possible that they could use Dampier's contract to facilitate a S&T for a FA.

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The Rockets

Assuming Ming does not opt out the Rockets salary is $33,107,592 with Lowry as a restricted FA. With the pending signing of Ariza (presumably for the full MLE*) their salary is 39,429,912 with 7 players under contract and Kyle Lowry as a restricted free agent. With 5 minimum salary place holders the Rockets are on the hook for 41,797,932.

Declining Landry saves 2,526,396 cutting their salary to 39,271,536.
Declining Hayes saves 1,630,396 cutting their salary to 40,167,536 with Landry and 37,641,140 without Landry.

None of that includes their 1st rounder next year or any other signings they may make. Getting to about 37.5 million this way would leave them with 5 players. (Yao, Ariza, Battier, Brooks, Dorsey)

(Cutting Dorsey would save at most 400,000)

*http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19 - MLE listed at 5.854 X 1.08 for a 1 year raise = 6,322,320 as his 2010 salary

The Rockets can possibly sign one max FA if they work out a trade or two BUT the cost for them to do that makes it more likely that they will enter free agency with a few million less than max. They'd probably look to sign a Joe Johnson type and they'd probably look to use a S&T regardless of who they pursue.

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The Heat are at 29,205,393 with a resigned Wade (cheaper than cap hold) with 5 players under contract. Accounting for 7 minimum salary place-holders, 32,520,621. They will have room for another max free agent to pair with Wade and can even cut James Jones to save an additional 2,320,396. They shouldn't have any problems.

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*EDIT* - Clippers

With the Zach Randolph trade the Clippers now have significant 2010 cap room. With 7 players (including Griffin) under contract the Clippers are set at 36,304,054. Counting the 5 minimum salary place-holders their salary is at 38,672,074. Their pick next year will add another 1.5-3 million and they may also have Minnesota's pick as well (which would add another 1-2 million).

The point is that while they will have cap room, they will not likely be in the mix for max free agents without another trade of some sort. They still have a great chance to add to their young core.

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I'm going to hold off on doing the Twolves for now since they are a small market team and I don't think they will be able to entice any of the top FAs.

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The Knicks with 6 players amount to $26,712,805. Adding the 6 minimum salary place holders bumps that up to 29,554,429. They don't have a pick next year. This allows them to sign ONE max free agent next year and another free agent for a bit more than the MLE. They may still take on more 2010 money this year by signing Lee, Robinson, or some other FA.

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The Thunder are a young small market team and I'll wait to look at them although I think they could be in the mix for one of the top PFs next year depending on what they do this year.

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I'm going to wait on the Suns since Amare may be moved for long-term pieces still but as of now, if Amare opts out, they are on the hook for only about 27-30 million depending on what they decide to do with Alando Tucker and Jared Dudley.

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The Nets will have 10 players (Harris, Lopez, Lee, T Will, Yi, CDR, Dooling, Najera, & 2 2010 1st round draft picks) AND money to offer a max contract.

According to NetsForce's salary spreadsheet the Nets will have 33,681,296 committed (including projected salary for the 5th and 22nd picks). With 2 salary placeholders that amounts to $34,628,504.

The Nets can also cut Keyon Dooling to save another 2,854,396.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#8 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:53 pm

I know this might be a bummer, but if a Big FA says they want to join the Nets cant we do a S&T.

The other team would be stupid to say no at least you get something back.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#9 » by deviljets7 » Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:41 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:I know this might be a bummer, but if a Big FA says they want to join the Nets cant we do a S&T.

The other team would be stupid to say no at least you get something back.


This would be true. In the past a lot of these top free agent defections have been a S&T for two reasons:

1. So the free agent gets more money (since the previous team can offer more)
2. So the team losing the free agent if nothing else can get a massive TPE.

In some of these cases the team really got nothing more than the TPE. However if you have enough teams with the cap room, I'm sure more of a bidding war can ensue.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#10 » by Hansel » Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:17 pm

Awesome post lurking. The Nets really are in a great place for 2010. Harris' contract is perfect, Brook could prove to be a big time center this year, athletes on the wings that can defend and would be intriguing to a stud, our pick this upcoming season, and the cap. Damn, could really turn out well.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#11 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:35 pm

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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#12 » by Rich Rane » Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:36 pm

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Fine by me man. I love when you do these threads.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#13 » by Harris2Lopez » Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:12 pm

so were going to have 18 million in cap space 2010 ?
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#14 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:44 pm

So if we dont pick up SWAT's Team option and dont give Boone a qualifying offer, are we going to have $5.4m more?
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#15 » by GuyverADL » Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:52 pm

Just as a heads up Keyon Dooling is only guaranteed for 500K during the 2010/11 season.

The Nets will have space for 2 Max deals if they choose too.

Renouce or Trade: Sean Williams, Josh Boone, and Yi

Waive or Trade: Najera and Dooling

All of that is VERY doable.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#16 » by clifffside » Wed Jul 8, 2009 10:14 pm

That's what I hope we do. I hope we go for the moon next offseason and go all out for two max guys. I believe we already have a championship level supporting cast already in place.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#17 » by doughboy29 » Thu Jul 9, 2009 5:20 am

damn if we really could get 2 max contracts that would be crazy, but who do u see the 2 players being in 2010
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#18 » by deviljets7 » Thu Jul 9, 2009 6:49 am

Lurking, there's one thing I noticed in your long post that needs to be corrected. The maximum contract for a player 7-9 years is 30%, which based on the cap estimates from ESPN means somewhere between $15,120,000 and $16,080,000. However there is a clause in there that prevents max-level players from having to take a pay cut.

From Larry Coon's Cap page (Question 11)

Players' maximum salaries are never less than 105% of their previous salary. For example, a ten-year veteran who earned $20 million in 2006-07 has a maximum salary of $22.1 million in 2007-08, even though that is above the league-wide maximum. A free agent does not need to remain with the same team in order to receive 105% of his previous salary, although the team that signs him is subject to the same salary cap restrictions as with any other free agent.


Thanks to this rule, most if not all of these top free agents will end up getting more than 30% of the cap space. Based on this, here is what the top free agents can get in 2010/11 as part of a new contract thanks to this rule:
Ray Allen: $20,765,703
Chris Bosh: $16,568,907
Lebron James: $16,568,907
Joe Johnson: $15,725,591
Yao Ming: $17,197,241
Dirk Nowitzki: $20,785,499
Shaquille O'Neal $22,050,000
Amare Stoudamire: $17,197,241
Dwyane Wade: $16,568,907

Carlos Boozer, Manu Ginobli, Josh Howard and Steve Nash do not make enough money in 2009/10 for them to make more than the standard maximum. Obviously not all of the players above will get that much.

I guess the main point is that to make a run at the top 5 FA's (Bosh, Lebron, Johnson, Amare and Wade), you need at least $17.25 million in cap space.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#19 » by lurkingobeiscity » Thu Jul 9, 2009 7:14 am

Oh, good. I was thinking that only applied to teams with bird rights for some reason. I'll probably edit that in sometime this week, but really, that can only help us more.
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Re: The Truth About 2010 (Part II) 

Post#20 » by deviljets7 » Thu Jul 9, 2009 7:40 am

This news is a double-edged sword IMO.

On one hand it does eliminate 2010 for a lot of teams. However, it does cut down our flexibility significantly.

If we assume the worst case scenario, which is a $50.4 million cap, NJ would currently be only $13.7 million under the cap. Obviously some moves would have to be made. Just to get a max player (and nothing else), Boone would have to be renounced and one from the group of SWAT, Dooling and Najera has to be gone.

Even if you assume you can dump all 4 outright (ie: no buyouts on Dooling/Najera), you have $24,350,968 committed to 8 players. That means you have between $24-27 million in cap room.

I know getting 2 top FAs was always a long shot, but I think the ability to have enough cap for an additional player for more than the MLE is imperative. I know Devin, Lopez, Lee, TWill, Yi and a lottery pick is a nice group, but it's not going to be easy to sell Lebron or anyone else on joining a team that will likely lose 55+ games this year.
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