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People that must/should go in order to not stunt growth of young players or cause rotation issue:

1. Rafer Alston.....dooling is the backup 1 and with hayes backin up at the 3 means twill will backup the 2 he wont get minutes over dooling imo.

2. Bobby Simmons .... 1st of all he flat out sucks but with hayes and cdr prolly occupying the 3 spot and battie most likley playing backup 4 along with boone at the backup 5 , this dude must go.

3. Eduardo Najera.....no comment.

4. Trenton Hassel.... only useful on a competitive team and we aren't really going to be that next year.

LOL!

Man, Najera signed a 4 year contract for a reason, he should get minutes at the 3 and 4.

lmao aw man forget najera hes too good for the nets.

They can't trade them and they don't want to pay them to not play either so it's a tough situation getting rid of them without giving up picks or youth.

Luckily, most are expring.

i bet some team could find rafer alston useful maybe we could package him w/ one of those players for as little in return as possible.

I don't agree with Rafer or Hassell.
Simmons might cause some problems,he is in a contract year and knows his play will mean the difference between a vet minimum deal and something in the ballpark of 3 years 10 million.
Najera's contract is just craptastic and cuts into any FA signing, even 2011.

But Hassell will likely be content to just sit there on the end of the bench and get paid, show up for practice go at it hard and mentor the young guys.

Rafer is a 1, he cant play any 2, I don't see muh of a problem. He is reportedly excited to be here and fact is, he is at least as good as Dooling if not better. He can be used as a very useful expiring at the deadline as well. There will be injuries to contenders and playoff teams, he will likely be worth a late 1st round pick and a useless expiring later down the line, no need to rush and trade him.

vincecarter4pres wrote:I don't agree with Rafer or Hassell.
Simmons might cause some problems,he is in a contract year and knows his play will mean the difference between a vet minimum deal and something in the ballpark of 3 years 10 million.
Najera's contract is just craptastic and cuts into any FA signing, even 2011.

But Hassell will likely be content to just sit there on the end of the bench and get paid, show up for practice go at it hard and mentor the young guys.

Rafer is a 1, he cant play any 2, I don't see muh of a problem. He is reportedly excited to be here and fact is, he is at least as good as Dooling if not better. He can be used as a very useful expiring at the deadline as well. There will be injuries to contenders and playoff teams, he will likely be worth a late 1st round pick and a useless expiring later down the line, no need to rush and trade him.

no i didn't say he was a two but it will impact minutes because

PG: Harris / Dooling / Alston
SG: Lee / T.Will
SF: Simmons/CDR / Hayes ( or vice versa)

so, one of the PG's needs to go becuase otherwise Dooling will get minutes at the 2 and that will take away minutes from T.will or CDR and stunt their growth , simmons also has to go because its really gonna hurt CDR's chances at becoming a starter and getting minutes (because hayes is a good 6th man)

Bobby Simmons sucks.
Bobby Simmons in a contract year....mehhh.
Before he made his big paycheck he was a half way decent player.
I wouldnt go ahead and say he is not going to do anything...because I think he is going to work his a$$ off this year to get re signed for decent money.

If any expiring needs to go, it honestly is NOT Bobby Simmons. He honestly is a class act and is not gonna be bitter when it comes to his lack of playing time. He knows what's up and is more than willing to help out the young guys. On top of that, you never know if there will be a legit player that gets bitter on life this season. We honestly probably won't be able to sign 2 max players out right next summer, so if we can possibly acquire a legit player during the season, we could still be under the cap so we can just perform a S&T in the summer for the 2nd player. The reason I believe we need to keep Bobby Simmons is if that situation rolls around, we're not gonna luck out like with did in the Vince deal and send like 7 players to a team for the legit player. Having his big contract on the books is rather valuable to us.

Also, he is still basically our best baseline shooter on our team. As long as Courtney Lee and Devin can get to the lane and draw a 2nd defender, Bobby will just giggle at life while draining his spot up baseline shot.

Only players I honestly believe need to go away from this team right now is Najera and Sean Williams. Everyone else I feel does serve a purpose in some capacity. All our guys I believe seem to understand where their role will be. I really don't see many problems. That may be me being an optimist though.

alright even if we need to keep simmons, i hope CDR will eventually take over and start at the 3, but for terrance williams sake dooling or alston needs to go because that means nets in the secondary would have dooling or harris at the 2 with alston at the 1 or something like that and hayes coming off the bench wheres room for twill?

vincecarter4pres wrote:Rafer is a 1, he cant play any 2, I don't see muh of a problem. He is reportedly excited to be here and fact is, he is at least as good as Dooling if not better. He can be used as a very useful expiring at the deadline as well. There will be injuries to contenders and playoff teams, he will likely be worth a late 1st round pick and a useless expiring later down the line, no need to rush and trade him.

IMO Dooling is better both on and off the court. Defensively Dooling is better hands down. Dooling also hit better percentages for FGs, FTs, and 3s on a worse team. Dooling offers more flexibility being able to defend two positions. He is younger and on a better contract. Alston's only advantage is in that he is more a of a true PG but I don't put much stock in that (especially for a backup) when he only averaged 1 apg more (when you adjust for minutes played) while frequently playing the role of distributor on a much better team, with better options to pass to.

If I thought Dooling's spike in 3pt shooting was a fluke it would be much closer but he (and other players) talked a lot about how that was the primary focus during the offseason.

I do, however, agree the team should hold on to Alston until an injury happens then take advantage of a favorable market. We could possibly use him to dump Najera or get another 1st (which could also help us dump Najera).

I think Dooling has significant value past 2010 as a tenured, veteran backup PG/SG on a (hopefully) contending team. I also think he means a lot to the locker room.

halfHAVOC wrote:alright even if we need to keep simmons, i hope CDR will eventually take over and start at the 3, but for terrance williams sake dooling or alston needs to go because that means nets in the secondary would have dooling or harris at the 2 with alston at the 1 or something like that and hayes coming off the bench wheres room for twill?

I think that will eventually happen. I think by the end of the season Twill or CDR will be the starting 3, with the other one being the 6/7 man off the bench.

Honestly, our team I wouldn't call "good" by means of doing damage, but honestly, I like our roster.

1. Devin
2. Courtney Lee
3. Twill
4. Yi
5. Lopez
6. Dooling
7. CDR
8. Hayes

I'm too lazy to go down the rest. But we have a lot of talented guys who like to run. We may be able to steal some guys by just tiring some people out if we're hitting our shots.

Preludepunk27 wrote:If any expiring needs to go, it honestly is NOT Bobby Simmons. He honestly is a class act and is not gonna be bitter when it comes to his lack of playing time.

False.
He has already been directly quoted saying he would like a bigger role and more playing time now that Vince is gone, saying he thinks he can be the same player he was the year when he was MIP and said it was a little frustrating that he hadn't heard anything on that happening.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting him for it at all, but reality is reality.

To think he is just going to ride the pine and accept a player-coach role, willingly playing 10 minutes per game is just absurd. Dude is still young and although he is on an albatross contract, he knows and everyone else knows that his play this season will be the difference between a literal 2 year deal for the veteran minimum or a 3 year contract for around 3 mill a year, something like 3 years for 10 million total, quite a big difference to someone that will never get another big contract in their career again and probably only has 4 to 6 years left in his career, max.