Dumping Najera and Dooling

ecuhus1981 · Post #1 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 1:54 pm

I know these two are valued assets both on and off the court for our team, but with 2010 salary concerns in mind, I made a deal involving these two, and I wanted to get feedback from Nets fans regarding it:

Dooling/Najera/GSW1st for Johnson/Redick

Yes, we surrender the better pair and give up the pick from the Marcus Williams deal. It's not a very sexy deal. But being able to wipe Eddy's and Keyon's salary from the books next year, as opposed to having the carcass of their buyout hanging on our payroll and eating up capspace, could mean the difference between signing TWO big-time FAs, and not.

Plus, it's not as though JJ and Anthony are useless. They wouldn't be in the regular rotation, but they're efficient when needed.

So, what do you think? Should we do it, decline, wait to see if a healthy Najera can fetch better offers???

crazykidd2k6 · Post #2 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:07 pm

no, first of, even it would be incredible if we can sign 2 max contracts, it will never happen just because the Nets wont do it. We have alot of good young players in this team. So i would rather keep the first round pick. Just because signing 2 max contract wont happen

Revolutionistt · Post #3 » by **Revolutionistt** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:10 pm

100% we need to get rid of Najera. Hes more useless than Magloire was. But for this trade absolutely not. You cant make a move relying on the possibility of signing 2 max free agents. Hell I think wed be lucky if we got one super star free agent next summer. I highly doubt any of the big name free agents of next year are sitting at home with their wife, mistress, 16 year old stripper, saying "how would you like to live in new jersey for the next 7 years?" LBJ is not signing here, wade is not signing here, bosh is not signing here, yao ming is not signing here, the list goes on. The best chance we have is signing a very good player, not elite, like josh howard or possibly rudy gay but severely overpaying him with a huge contract. the nets have enough cap space for next year. theres no need to dump people anymore. we have a nice core of up and coming players. if i was rod thorn i would sign 3-4 very good players instead of one super star player. teams win championships, not individuals (see LBJ and Detroit of 2004)

Preludepunk27 · Post #4 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:21 pm

Magic wouldn't do that deal. They're actually looking to get a 3rd PG right now, not trade one for another. That's counter productive for them.

I'm also not interested in ANY way of trading for a guy in a rookie contract, especially reddick. I know we can decline his option, but if we're trading Najera/Dooling, I'm looking for a 2-for-1 deal where we can acquire 1 vet expring contract, preferably a guy who can play both the 4 and 5 or maybe another 1/2 hybrid like Dooling. Too me, 500k isn't a whole lot so I personally wouldn't be too concerned moving Dooling since he's important to the current team, but I know 500K can be a big deal come free agent time. If we could pull 1 vet and maybe a future 2nd round pick for these two guys and maybe a 2nd rounder of our own (since we have so many picks/young guys we're probably NEVER gonna sign our 2nd rounders for the next few years) then I'd definitely pull the trigger.

S.I.C. GM · Post #5 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 3:20 pm

No thanks for many reasons.

1) Magic dont do this. Like Prelude said, they need another PG meaning 3 not 2.
2) Magic didnt want to pay Dooling to keep him.
3) Would we waive both? If not we, dont need them.

How much of Dooling's contract is guaranteed in 10-11 season?

As for Najera, I would trade him for nothing.

Preludepunk27 · Post #6 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 4:34 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:No thanks for many reasons.

1) Magic dont do this. Like Prelude said, they need another PG meaning 3 not 2.
2) Magic didnt want to pay Dooling to keep him.
3) Would we waive both? If not we, dont need them.

How much of Dooling's contract is guaranteed in 10-11 season?

As for Najera, I would trade him for nothing.

Dooling only have $500K guaranteed for the 10-11 season

I'm with you on Najera too. I'm trying to find a list of teams with TE's big enough to take Najera from us. I don't even care about getting a heavily protected 2nd for him. Najera would be a solid vet coming off the bench for any playoff team. I hate the Celtics, but he's be great coming off the bench for them.

VCRJKidd15 · Post #7 » by **VCRJKidd15** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 6:16 pm

Revolutionistt wrote:100% we need to get rid of Najera. Hes more useless than Magloire was. But for this trade absolutely not. You cant make a move relying on the possibility of signing 2 max free agents. Hell I think wed be lucky if we got one super star free agent next summer. I highly doubt any of the big name free agents of next year are sitting at home with their wife, mistress, 16 year old stripper, saying "how would you like to live in new jersey for the next 7 years?" LBJ is not signing here, wade is not signing here, bosh is not signing here, yao ming is not signing here, the list goes on. The best chance we have is signing a very good player, not elite, like josh howard or possibly rudy gay but severely overpaying him with a huge contract. the nets have enough cap space for next year. theres no need to dump people anymore. we have a nice core of up and coming players. if i was rod thorn i would sign 3-4 very good players instead of one super star player. teams win championships, not individuals (see LBJ and Detroit of 2004)

any free agent who signs wih the nets wouldnt movie to New Jersey they would deff. move to NY since its not even far away from the arena

Rockice_8 · Post #8 » by **Rockice_8** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 6:20 pm

I don't want to dump Dooling I think he will be a nice bench player for us next year and beyond 2010 for cheep. Najara on the other hand, Prelude I agree with you, enough of the player coach bs he was a bad signing and he needs to go. There is no way he sees any time next season, at least i hope not. Just give him away to any team that wants him for insurance. Now Alston and Battie are some tradeable assets. We may be able to get something for them like ridding ourselves of Najara's contract or a late 1st. I would rather keep Dooling over Alston. Unless we use Dooling to back up Lee at the 2 and Alston to back up Harris. Alston seems to really like playing around here, where he became a legend. But then on the other hand losing him would slide Dooling back over to the backup point guard spot leaving room for T. Will to back up at the 3, which would be good experience. Otherwise keeping Alston now you have a log jam at the 2/3. Dooling and Hayes are ahead of T Will on the depth chart right now. Having a guy like T. WIll sitting there as a third string option is a not that bad of a problem to have. Guys are gonna go down during the year and he will get his PT then, and also in the games we are most likely gonna get blown out in, so in no way am I saying we should dump Alston to get PT for T. Will. Lets stand pat and see where the season takes us. Depth is a nice thing to have. The only thing we need to do is dump Najara.

S.I.C. GM · Post #9 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 6:36 pm

Rockice, I dont think Najera was a bad signing last year. He got hurt. **** happens. I agree with everything else you have said.

Rockice_8 · Post #10 » by **Rockice_8** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 6:47 pm

Yeha he got hurt but even when he played he looked slow. He hustles yeah but physically he just looks like his age is catching up with him. He defense is what kept him in this league and it just seems that it isn't as good as it used to be, add that to the fact that he has no offensive game and you have a player that brings noting to the table except his effort. It's just not enough in my eyes to warrant any playing time over the other guys. We are even kind of thin up front too, i bet we go small with Simmons at the four more often then we see Najara in there.

Preludepunk27 · Post #11 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 7:31 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:Rockice, I dont think Najera was a bad signing last year. He got hurt. **** happens. I agree with everything else you have said.

It wasn't a "bad signing" in terms of what he could do for us and help our young ones toughen up. By "bad" I believe the common theme with everyone is that so much of his contract is guaranteed, unlike Dooling.

amk482 · Post #12 » by **amk482** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 7:52 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:I know these two are valued assets both on and off the court for our team, but with 2010 salary concerns in mind, I made a deal involving these two, and I wanted to get feedback from Nets fans regarding it:

Dooling/Najera/GSW1st for Johnson/Redick

Yes, we surrender the better pair and give up the pick from the Marcus Williams deal. It's not a very sexy deal. But being able to wipe Eddy's and Keyon's salary from the books next year, as opposed to having the carcass of their buyout hanging on our payroll and eating up capspace, could mean the difference between signing TWO big-time FAs, and not.

Plus, it's not as though JJ and Anthony are useless. They wouldn't be in the regular rotation, but they're efficient when needed.

So, what do you think? Should we do it, decline, wait to see if a healthy Najera can fetch better offers???

why do we have to dump dooling? just doesnt make any sense.

doct3r dr3 · Post #13 » by **doct3r dr3** » Sat Aug 8, 2009 5:50 pm

What do you guys think about a deal of:

Part of Orlando's TPE from the Hedo Turkoglu S&T
for
Keyon Dooling

I think it's a dream trade for both sides, I'd be curious to know how you guys feel about it.

NetsForce · Post #14 » by **NetsForce** » Sat Aug 8, 2009 6:40 pm

Only if you take Najera too

Preludepunk27 · Post #15 » by **Preludepunk27** » Sun Aug 9, 2009 8:12 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:What do you guys think about a deal of:

Part of Orlando's TPE from the Hedo Turkoglu S&T
for
Keyon Dooling

I think it's a dream trade for both sides, I'd be curious to know how you guys feel about it.

Yeah moving Najera is 300 times more important for us for next summer. I think if anyone wants dooling, they have to take Najera too.

I thought a lot of Magic fans didn't really like Dooling though? But again, if that S&T was big enough to where you could get Najera and Dooling, where do I sign?

deviljets7 · Post #16 » by **deviljets7** » Sun Aug 9, 2009 10:45 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:What do you guys think about a deal of:

Part of Orlando's TPE from the Hedo Turkoglu S&T
for
Keyon Dooling

I think it's a dream trade for both sides, I'd be curious to know how you guys feel about it.

I personally wouldn't do it, but then again I don't write the checks. I don't think it's unreasonable, and it wouldn't shock me if ownership felt the same way.

Say, Dooling's value is an unproductive expiring and a pick in the 25-40 range. Considering late picks are bought for $3 mil, not having to take the money of a player isn't far off value wise here.