What kind of power forward...

NetsForce · Post #1 » by **NetsForce** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 2:52 am

What kind of power forward would you like to pair with Brook Lopez?

Do you want a long-range bombing shooter, a la Troy Murphy, or Rasheed wallace?

Do you want an energizer / rebounding banger who plays like Jason Maxiell or Joakim Noah?

Do you want a spacer like Udonis Haslem or Luis Scola (guys who are money from midrange and will do the dirty work)?

Do you want a utility forward in the mold of Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw?

Or do you want a different type of power forward all-together?

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There is some obvious overlap between the power forward types I listed, but I think this is a valid question to ask, there was a time when I was asking myself "should the Nets go after Amar'e or Boozer?"

And in all honesty I'm not sure either one of them fits the type of power forward they need if the Nets are intent on getting the most they can out of Brook Lopez...

ecuhus1981 · Post #2 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 3:43 am

Among the options listed, my deal fit at PF for our roster would be a rangy help-defender who can rebound (especially from the weakside offensively) and GTFO of Brook's way on offense. SPACER is the role that best describes that need.

Now, when you're talking about All-Star players like Boozer and Amar'e, you're really talking about "who would Brook better complement", not "who would better complement Brook", if you follow my meaning. Between the two, I'd pick Boozer, but if we HAD to take a PF with our FA money next summer, I'd pursue Bosh TEN TIMES harder than either of these two. He's basically Boozer in Stoudemire's body, which is perfect for our needs IMO.

crazykidd2k6 · Post #3 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 3:46 am

Sheed, David West, Odom, Okafor, and Diaw are all perfect to pair with Brook.

vincecarter4pres · Post #4 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 3:46 am

A Greg Monroe...

NetsForce · Post #5 » by **NetsForce** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 4:01 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:Among the options listed, my deal fit at PF for our roster would be a rangy help-defender who can rebound (especially from the weakside offensively) and GTFO of Brook's way on offense. SPACER is the role that best describes that need.

Now, when you're talking about All-Star players like Boozer and Amar'e, you're really talking about "who would Brook better complement", not "who would better complement Brook", if you follow my meaning. Between the two, I'd pick Boozer, but if we HAD to take a PF with our FA money next summer, I'd pursue Bosh TEN TIMES harder than either of these two. He's basically Boozer in Stoudemire's body, which is perfect for our needs IMO.

That's really the other angle to this that I'm not sure how the Nets should deal with... I'm not really sure how to articulate what makes me uneasy about it, but when it comes to me I'll make another post...

I am in agreement that if the Nets decide to build around Lopez that a "spacer" is what is needed. I honestly can't think of very many players who fit that role and are realistically attainable though :=/

ecuhus1981 · Post #6 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 4:44 am

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Eh, it's easier to find and develop the spacer types, like Scola and Haslem, than it is to trade for them or sign them. They are usually quite cost-effective to re-sign, and as valuable as they are, teams aren't quick to give them up via trade.

Assuming Yi develops decently and we don't need a starter-caliber PF with our '10 pick, the DAL pick (15-22 range IMO) could be used on a spacer type backup PF, like Patrick Patterson. Even if Kentucky makes a deep tourney run, with his size, I don't think he'll be in the lottery, as he's really only the 6th- or 7th-best PF in most 2010 mock drafts.

vincecarter4pres · Post #7 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 4:56 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:^

Eh, it's easier to find and develop the spacer types, like Scola and Haslem, than it is to trade for them or sign them. They are usually quite cost-effective to re-sign, and as valuable as they are, teams aren't quick to give them up via trade.

Assuming Yi develops decently and we don't need a starter-caliber PF with our '10 pick, the DAL pick (15-22 range IMO) could be used on a spacer type backup PF, like Patrick Patterson. Even if Kentucky makes a deep tourney run, with his size, I don't think he'll be in the lottery, as he's really only the 6th- or 7th-best PF in most 2010 mock drafts.

Ha, i was just gonna type something similar to this and mention Patterson specifically.
There is crazy big man depth in this draft.
I love the idea of Greg Monroe with a high lotto, but there are a few solid options later in the draft such as Patterson and Larry Sanders.

lurkingobeiscity · Post #8 » by **lurkingobeiscity** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 6:13 am

I'd target length and defending as well as a spacer type. If you can get all that in one guy then great. And yes, Monroe looks like a great option.

Rockice_8 · Post #9 » by **Rockice_8** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 1:26 pm

The PF would need to be a good rebounder/mid range game where he could step out and hit the baseline/elbow jumper (Boone not a good fit) if he is athletic and can run the floor that would be great ala K-mart. Favors/Monroe/Ed Davis would be nice next year.

halfHAVOC · Post #10 » by **halfHAVOC** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:05 pm

Rockice_8 wrote:The PF would need to be a good rebounder/mid range game where he could step out and hit the baseline/elbow jumper (Boone not a good fit) if he is athletic and can run the floor that would be great ala K-mart. Favors/Monroe/Ed Davis would be nice next year.

we shoulda got brandon bass!

NetsForce · Post #11 » by **NetsForce** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:02 pm

halfHAVOC keep this up and im'ma have to slap a bro. Brandon Bass is a mini-Zach Randolph. Dude is a major black hole...

Career assist to turnover ratio: 0.56

deviljets7 · Post #12 » by **deviljets7** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:23 pm

Shouldn't the question be what kind of PF best fits with LeBron? 8-)

Preludepunk27 · Post #13 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:05 pm

Luis Scola is the MAN! I love that guy, but I want a guy like David West only maybe a slightly quicker defender.

Don't underestimate Troy Murphy either. 5-6 years ago, I would actually say he would have been great playing next to Brook. He's more physical than people realize. It's said because I actually saw a lot of him in Ryan Anderson. I would have thought those two would be great together.

kamaze · Post #14 » by **kamaze** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:20 pm

Amare Stoudamire would put them in the ECF a more realistic option is Joe Smith or Luis Scola and draft Monroe in the lottery?
Some others
Udonis Haslem would be perfect
Francisco Elson could play PF or C
Etan Thomas could be had for cheap
Kenny Thomas undersized not a good defender
Theo Ratliff can play Pf or C

Free Agent backup Centers
Z.Ilgauskas, Brad Miller, Marcus Camby, Jermain O'Neal, Rasho Nesterovic, Fabricio Oberto.

vincecarter4pres · Post #15 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:21 pm

Francisco Elson?
Etan Thomas?
Kenny Thomas?!!!!

Stop the madness!

NewJerseyNet · Post #16 » by **NewJerseyNet** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:46 pm

I liked the idea of a shooter pairing with Brooke. Not Yi, who I would be amazed if he turned into an NBA caliber PF.

Ryan Anderson looked like he had some potential here. Sure he had some silly fouls, and a few compensating on defense, but isn't he just as young a Brooke? I'm not sure why he wasn't given a chance to improve. His shooting is the real deal, and he is an active rebounder. Plus players drafted at 19, 20, years old don't really show what they can do physically for 2 - 3 years, and he is written as having the work ethic to become a more athletic defender, really the only area he was in question there.

Admittingly, I only watched a hand-full of games last season because the Nets had been so bad going into the year, that I just didn't care for them, but Ryan was a guy I wanted to see when I did watch. I understand that Courtney Lee is a keeper, he is a solid defender, and solid shooter, but what happened to the don't trade big for small rule? A quality 20 year old shooting big man, with versatility, hard working, and FILLS A NEED ON YOUR TEAM, for a dime a dozen 2 guard, (who to be fair seems to stand out to some degree within the dozen), just doesn't make much sense to me.

They need to pursue Bosh, or even Lebron at the 4. If that even works for Lebron. There aren't to many athletic defensive rebounding fours in this league that can be obtained. If our reason for trading Anderson was because they think they can upgrade that position, I just don't know who it is Thorn is looking at going after.

BTW, I just checked Tyson Chandlers status, he has a 12 million player option, he would be a great fit on this team since he runs the floor, and blocks shots pretty much exclusively (has some rebounding ability as well), but why would he opt out of so much money, people know he is limited now. He's not getting more then that anywhere else.

kamaze · Post #17 » by **kamaze** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:03 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Francisco Elson?
Etan Thomas?
Kenny Thomas?!!!!

Stop the madness!

Hehe they don't scare anybody but that would be if we drafted say Greg Monroe.

Yi
Etan Thomas(can play center as well)
Greg Monroe

That's a decent PF rotation

Rockice_8 · Post #18 » by **Rockice_8** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:46 pm

I want Favors next year. We are a running team and Favors fits that mold the best. If we get the #1 pick we have to select John Wall but it won't happen. Monroe is good but he's not a top 5 talent and we're probably a top 5 pick team. I'm not losing sleep over Anderson he's solid but proably won't ever be a starter on a championship team Lee has that upside (You saw it with the Magic as a rook). We can always nab a guy like Anderson with the Mavs pick.

vincecarter4pres · Post #19 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:06 pm

Rockice_8 wrote:I want Favors next year. We are a running team and Favors fits that mold the best. If we get the #1 pick we have to select John Wall but it won't happen. Monroe is good but he's not a top 5 talent and we're probably a top 5 pick team. I'm not losing sleep over Anderson he's solid but proably won't ever be a starter on a championship team Lee has that upside (You saw it with the Magic as a rook). We can always nab a guy like Anderson with the Mavs pick.

Don't forget Evan Turner, he can make a guy like Lee or CDR very expendable.

I disagree about Monroe as well, I think he is absolutely top 5 talent, but I am starting to think he isn't the right fit next to Brook.

Ed Davis is an option as well.

There are the guys that might be available at the Dallas pick that are interesting as well, such as Patrick Patterson and Larry Sanders.

There are also guys that can go either way like Cousins and Brackins.

IDK if you're talking about James Anderson either, but he is bottom half of the first round talent at this point and it is going to take a lot for him to improve that in this deep draft and I agree I could care less about a player like him at a position we are so deep in.

Rockice_8 · Post #20 » by **Rockice_8** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:55 pm

^^ No I was responding about losing Ryan Anderson.

Yeah your right Turner could be a star but right now our weak link is PF and I think we need to that direction but if the BPA is Turner then I'm all for it. Then make a huge push for Amare or Bosh to play the PF and hopefully nab a backup for Brook with that Mavs pick like Cousins from Kentucky.

My thinking is that we aren't getting any big name guys to play here so we need to build through this draft and maybe land a 2nd tier guy like Gay/Johnson or Boozer/Chandler. If Booz can show that he can be healthy this year I might take a shot on him 5yrs./70mil or Joe Johnson at that too only if we can't get any of the big guns.

Harris/Dooling
JJ/Lee
T.Will/CDR
Favors/Yi
Lopez

or

Harris
Turner/Lee
T.Will/CDR
Boozer
Lopez

Either way we're looking good but we need an impact power forward in the draft or free agency because Yi would fit better on the bench. A scoring bench of Dooling, CDR, and Yi would be nice to have cause any of those guys can get hot and thats what you need on your bench compared to the starters which you want to be all around players