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No I'm not coming here to make a trade proposal or anything as a Knicks fan. I've just been going to some Nets games lately due to a promotion and you guys have some really good young guards like CDR, T-Will, and Courtney Lee. T-Will looks like he's going to be a star once you guys start trusting him and letting him play more. He's aggressive and is relentless going to the rim. I really was not impressed by Harris' play at all. He does a lot of dumb things and plays way too passively, at least for the first 3 quarters. His defense is nothing spectacular anymore either as I saw Brooks burn him many times tonight.

I actually agree that Harris has been playing a bit too passive at times, but exactly who should the Nets trade him for?

I think it's obvious he's not a #1 option, maybe he's not even a #2 option, but he's on a pretty good contract and has excellent chemistry with Brook Lopez. Hell he's the one guy on the team I actually trust making an entry pass to the big fella.

As for Terrence Williams he has been playing a bit better as of late but his shot selection is flat out terrible :=/... Hopefully once the Nets get a real coach they work on making T-Will more effective when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

actually, ever since i made that rant thread about harris, hes picked up his play alot on all other aspects of the floor but he hasn't been as aggressive offensively and i think thats more of the coach's playcalling

Devin Harris is not a # 1 option and shouldnt be on any team if you want to take full advantage of his skills and talent...With the Nets having a serious low post threat, idealy Brook should be the #1 option...As NF was stating, if we actually had a true scorer on this team, Devin would probably fall to #3 as a scoring option...the beauty is that on a team similar to that just explained, Devin drops 30pts easier because of where the defense's concentratino moves to...I mean it was only last year where VC's presence alone open up a huge amount of space for DH to do his thing...but as far as what your seeing this has a lot to do with the situation he is in...but I think that will change...Devin has to be Devin and stop worrying about where the "responsibility of losses" falls...he can only put so much on his shoulders, before you see and have seen his game become affected because of wanting to take on the burden...it needs to be more of a team effort...

as for Twill shot selection is everything...I'll let everything slide this year so to speak, and truly evaluate him at the end of the year...(I am nowhere near being convinced he is a starter in this league...)

Lee, would be a great 6th man, IMO he is not starter...not yet at least...On a good team, I just dont see his game warranting starter minutes, even with his defensive play...I will leave the door open for him to become a Raja Bell type starter...

CDR if he can stay healthy can be in running for the NBA's Most Improved Player Award...(I've said this million times, he did a 180 this this year)... I never thought this kid was going to come out and be able to duplicate numbers (purely scoring) that of his former Memphis teammate D. Rose...somewhat different as players...but pure scoring ability, CDR has proven he has the ability to put the ball in the hole...his defense is there, his committment on the floor as well as his determination to drive the basket, opening up passing lanes and second chance points for the Nets has been huge...I love his tenacity, he out played my expectations in pre-season, where his high level of play has continued during the regular season...On the smallest scale, CDR has proven he is a NBA player...the potential of his game turning into production for the Nets has more to do with his mentality than anything else...he needs to be aggressive and the Nets need to find a way to get him touches...

Trading Devin Harris at this point right now makes little to no sense whatsoever. He is a young, proven player on a great contract coming off an exellent year. I think part of the reason his play has been subpar in comparison to last year is what JerseyJac just eluded to; which is lack of talent around him.
Another major issue is the ankle injury early in the season has hindered his ability to get into ideal "playing shape" this year. Remember, this is a guy who bases the majority of his game on speed...turning the pace up and scoring in the open floor...dribble penetration etc.
I think Devin Harris's future in New Jersey rests squarly on the results of this years lottery. If the Nets are lucky enough to nab John Wall in the draft, then Devin is a gone to a contender with some depth up front in need of a point guard.
Ideally, I would love for the Nets to get Wall and then package Harris and the Dallas pick together for a wing or a banger...then at the point maybe you can nab one of the marquee free agents (with Wall, Lopez and the Brooklyn move all key advertisements to come to New Jersey).

jerseyjac wrote:Devin Harris is not a # 1 option and shouldnt be on any team if you want to take full advantage of his skills and talent...With the Nets having a serious low post threat, idealy Brook should be the #1 option...As NF was stating, if we actually had a true scorer on this team, Devin would probably fall to #3 as a scoring option...the beauty is that on a team similar to that just explained, Devin drops 30pts easier because of where the defense's concentratino moves to...I mean it was only last year where VC's presence alone open up a huge amount of space for DH to do his thing...but as far as what your seeing this has a lot to do with the situation he is in...but I think that will change...Devin has to be Devin and stop worrying about where the "responsibility of losses" falls...he can only put so much on his shoulders, before you see and have seen his game become affected because of wanting to take on the burden...it needs to be more of a team effort...

Devin Harris would be the ideal third option, I knew that coming into the season. The problem is, is that he has to be #1 option for this team even if he isn't capable of being one consistantly. I get the reasoning behind having Lopez as our first option but, until we get more shooters on this team, we'll be even worse off with lopez commanding the ball since he'll just get doubled or even triple teamed. I wouldn't have a problem with Harris' play if he would smarten up his shot selection. For a guy that's shooting under 20% from three, no way should he be taking 3 a game. His game is drive and dish out or drive and try and get the foul call, he should stick to that instead of that running three point shot he's used so much this season.

jerseyjac wrote:as for Twill shot selection is everything...I'll let everything slide this year so to speak, and truly evaluate him at the end of the year...(I am nowhere near being convinced he is a starter in this league...)

I don't either. He's too small to play SF for 20+ mil and the ideal SG should be able to shoot. He also has too many me first qualities which I hope he straightens out some time in the near future.

Lee, would be a great 6th man, IMO he is not starter...not yet at least...On a good team, I just dont see his game warranting starter minutes, even with his defensive play...I will leave the door open for him to become a Raja Bell type starter...

CDR if he can stay healthy can be in running for the NBA's Most Improved Player Award...(I've said this million times, he did a 180 this this year)... I never thought this kid was going to come out and be able to duplicate numbers (purely scoring) that of his former Memphis teammate D. Rose...somewhat different as players...but pure scoring ability, CDR has proven he has the ability to put the ball in the hole...his defense is there, his committment on the floor as well as his determination to drive the basket, opening up passing lanes and second chance points for the Nets has been huge...I love his tenacity, he out played my expectations in pre-season, where his high level of play has continued during the regular season...On the smallest scale, CDR has proven he is a NBA player...the potential of his game turning into production for the Nets has more to do with his mentality than anything else...he needs to be aggressive and the Nets need to find a way to get him touches...

You see I think it's the other way around. CDR would be perfect coming off the bench. He brings instant offense(and little else) which would ignite the 2nd unit.

Courtney Lee could be a decent starter but only in the role he had last season with the magic. Stick to be a catch and shoot player and focus most of his energy as a defnsive stopper.

jeff1624 wrote:

jerseyjac wrote:Devin Harris is not a # 1 option and shouldnt be on any team if you want to take full advantage of his skills and talent...With the Nets having a serious low post threat, idealy Brook should be the #1 option...As NF was stating, if we actually had a true scorer on this team, Devin would probably fall to #3 as a scoring option...the beauty is that on a team similar to that just explained, Devin drops 30pts easier because of where the defense's concentratino moves to...I mean it was only last year where VC's presence alone open up a huge amount of space for DH to do his thing...but as far as what your seeing this has a lot to do with the situation he is in...but I think that will change...Devin has to be Devin and stop worrying about where the "responsibility of losses" falls...he can only put so much on his shoulders, before you see and have seen his game become affected because of wanting to take on the burden...it needs to be more of a team effort...

Devin Harris would be the ideal third option, I knew that coming into the season. The problem is, is that he has to be #1 option for this team even if he isn't capable of being one consistantly. I get the reasoning behind having Lopez as our first option but, until we get more shooters on this team, we'll be even worse off with lopez commanding the ball since he'll just get doubled or even triple teamed. I wouldn't have a problem with Harris' play if he would smarten up his shot selection. For a guy that's shooting under 20% from three, no way should he be taking 3 a game. His game is drive and dish out or drive and try and get the foul call, he should stick to that instead of that running three point shot he's used so much this season.

jerseyjac wrote:as for Twill shot selection is everything...I'll let everything slide this year so to speak, and truly evaluate him at the end of the year...(I am nowhere near being convinced he is a starter in this league...)

I don't either. He's too small to play SF for 20+ mil and the ideal SG should be able to shoot. He also has too many me first qualities which I hope he straightens out some time in the near future.

Lee, would be a great 6th man, IMO he is not starter...not yet at least...On a good team, I just dont see his game warranting starter minutes, even with his defensive play...I will leave the door open for him to become a Raja Bell type starter...

CDR if he can stay healthy can be in running for the NBA's Most Improved Player Award...(I've said this million times, he did a 180 this this year)... I never thought this kid was going to come out and be able to duplicate numbers (purely scoring) that of his former Memphis teammate D. Rose...somewhat different as players...but pure scoring ability, CDR has proven he has the ability to put the ball in the hole...his defense is there, his committment on the floor as well as his determination to drive the basket, opening up passing lanes and second chance points for the Nets has been huge...I love his tenacity, he out played my expectations in pre-season, where his high level of play has continued during the regular season...On the smallest scale, CDR has proven he is a NBA player...the potential of his game turning into production for the Nets has more to do with his mentality than anything else...he needs to be aggressive and the Nets need to find a way to get him touches...

You see I think it's the other way around. CDR would be perfect coming off the bench. He brings instant offense(and little else) which would ignite the 2nd unit.

Courtney Lee could be a decent starter but only in the role he had last season with the magic. Stick to be a catch and shoot player and focus most of his energy as a defnsive stopper.

I agree with your Magic statement, but outside of a Magic type of team he has to produce more on the offensive end...Big transition for Lee this year..coming from the Magic and us asking him maybe to do a little more than what we should...I think on his best nights he's Raja Bell (always a great type of a player to have)...if he converts his drives/dunks at a high clip and shoots 46-47% 14-15pts, he will be a starter on a lot of teams w/ his obvious defensive play...(and btw, I dunno if I call him a stopper...but, he can definitely disturb a teams offense or the oppoistion's top scorer's rythym)...I like Lee and his skills/abilities...right now he is developing a NBA game...

back on topic...Devin is not your atypical point guard...you saw it tonight...when he focuses on making an effort to get others involved play in and play out, we basically lose the best version of DH...he has to get others involved as well as pay attention to picking his spots offensively so the Nets can take advantage of his scoring...we will be at our best, as will Devin with him avging, 20pts a game and 6-7 assists...

Yeah Devin's not putting up the great numbers he did last year because teams are focusing on him and Brook more with no VC there. Teams are also daring him to shoot and sagging off him more. As a third option Devin would thrive like he did last year because teams couldn't focus on him and he was able to penetrate. With teams just playing zone and clogging the paint Devin's skills are useless. We have two good 3pt. shooters Yi/Hayes both of which have missed significant time and one hasn't even played yet. Lee can shoot but he's too inconsistent. Brook and Devin need space to operate and with no shooters they are struggling.