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i understand its for team not to tank but come on does anyone on this board think the nets are tanking ill be shocked if nobody agrees with me that the nets arent tanking...im not saying this because the nets might get the number 1 pick and im scared we might not get it but ive always been against this lottery rule ever since rose went to the bulls WHO HAS LIKE A 2.9 percent chance to get #1 pick ove the heat...all i got to say is i will be so so so so so so fuc*** piss*** that day if we dont get the #1 pick i might over react and brake my TV for crying out loud
how about this the first 2 or 3 picks are locked and the rest of the picks unlocked

well, i would at least like to see the worst team get a higher chance at the #1. Maybe like 33.33% at winning it instead of just 25%

maybe the worst team could also be guaranteed top 3. I just think of how Sacto got screwed this past draft and Boston and Memphis each dropping those 3 spots in the 2007 draft.

Idk just ideas haha

if its a close race to the number 1 as in 3 teams are tanking down the stretch for the number 1 then lottery is fine but when a team just clearly sucks and is not tanking(NETS) then i think they should be giving a lot more balls since this team has none

Pugsley_2491 wrote:well, i would at least like to see the worst team get a higher chance at the #1. Maybe like 33.33% at winning it instead of just 25%

maybe the worst team could also be guaranteed top 3. I just think of how Sacto got screwed this past draft and Boston and Memphis each dropping those 3 spots in the 2007 draft.

Idk just ideas haha

Well the worst team can't fall any lower than 4. Is that fair, not really but the 3 worst teams can't fall any lower than 3 below where they were supposed to pick is how I thought it worked.

Even though the lottery system is unique, I think it's a complete lie. Why does it have to be done behind closed doors? I think it's because the lottery is a complete fabrication. The people behind closed doors get into a massive bidding war behind closed doors. Stern is a money hungry d-bag. Of course, I can't prove any of that, but I constantly think that David Stern does shady ass stuff that everyone keeps hush hush.

tanking is not permitted...the Nets arent trying to lose, they just really suck...

I like the system...its does a lot for the league, when you are not the worst team in the league, its a great system...

I dunno about these conspiracy theories...you could always bring in a 3rd party to do the lottery...that would help the situation...

Preludepunk27 wrote:

Pugsley_2491 wrote:well, i would at least like to see the worst team get a higher chance at the #1. Maybe like 33.33% at winning it instead of just 25%

maybe the worst team could also be guaranteed top 3. I just think of how Sacto got screwed this past draft and Boston and Memphis each dropping those 3 spots in the 2007 draft.

Idk just ideas haha

Well the worst team can't fall any lower than 4. Is that fair, not really but the 3 worst teams can't fall any lower than 3 below where they were supposed to pick is how I thought it worked.

Even though the lottery system is unique, I think it's a complete lie. Why does it have to be done behind closed doors? I think it's because the lottery is a complete fabrication. The people behind closed doors get into a massive bidding war behind closed doors. Stern is a money hungry d-bag. Of course, I can't prove any of that, but I constantly think that David Stern does shady ass stuff that everyone keeps hush hush.

I don't think the issue with the lottery is that teams can fall from 1 to 4 as much as teams that are 8, 9 or 10 (see Bulls) can win.

As to the conspiracy theories. While I do find the stories amusing, it's hard to believe the lottery is truly rigged when not once did the Knicks win the lottery during this decade-long era of incompetence.

1st 3 picks get locked, then all of the picks are locked.

The whole point of the lottery is that it is a LOTTERY. Should a team that fields a glorified summer league squad be rewarded automatically for being god awful? No.

Nets need the 1st pick, hell the 1st 3, in the worst way. That doesn't mean they should get it automatically.

The only thing that automatically should happen is the Nets should waive Battie, Hassell, and Simmons. Although the Nets should be able to get something for Trenton.

Whats the point in keeping them around when the Nets could bring in more young guys.

Deviljets hit on a point I did in another thread. The problem isn't that the worst team (record wise) in the league doesn't always get the #1 pick the problem is that teams NOT DESERVING of the #1 pick (teams with the 8th, 9th, 10th worse record, etc.) can AND HAVE won the lottery in the past.

The draft is supposed to be a tool that levels the playing field for good and bad teams. As it's currently constructed it often times doesn't do that.

I'm not a proponent of getting rid of the lottery system entirely I just want them to at the VERY LEAST redo the weights so that the draft can better serve it's purpose.

Maybe its time for the worst team to get the 1st round pick. It hasn't happened since 2004.

2009 Draft
Worst record Kings 17-65 get 4th pick
2008 Draft
Worst record Heat 15-67 get 2nd pick
2007 Draft
Worst record Memphis 22-60 get 4th pick
2006 Draft
Worst record Blazers 21-61 get 4th pick
2005 Draft
Worst record Hawks 13-69 get 2nd pick
2004 Draft
Worst record Magic 21-61 get 1st pick



You got to have the Lottery Rule. What happens when 3 or 4 teams are 10-62. And a Lebron type player is going into draft. They'll all tank.....there is no reason to go for a 20-62 season.

I posted the other day. whether it was deleted or lost in cyber space I don't know. But I agree with prelude the lottery is a sham. like I said the other day if you went to the races with your 3 best buddies. you each throw in a fiddy and put it on 12-1 shot. It gets up and you and your buddies collect $2400 but you go to the bar and get the drinks and when you come back they say "while we you were gone we decided to do a lottery (with out you) and the winner gets 1500 second gets 500 third gets 300 and fourth gets 100. You weren't here but you got fourth prize. Thanks for the beer.

My point is that stuff just doesn't happen. So why accept the fact that NBA can do it. I mean in Zimbabwe you could get away with it. But it just beggars belief that Stern and his cronies can get away with it. I bet all owners have to sign a gag order not to comment on it.

Sorry for rambling. But it just doesn't make sense. No where in the free world can you hold a lottery behind close doors.


NBA where amazing happens behind closed doors.

I think the lottery should just be the 3 worst teams, not the 14 that dont make the playoffs. I mean there are teams in the West that win 45 games and miss the playoffs and then get the chance for the #1 overall pick. Thats just not right.

That's why I think there is something shady to the lottery. If it wasn't shady, why is the lottery done behind closed doors? That logic absolutely escapes me. I strongly believe David Stern enforces his powers in the NBA that effects the outcome of certain things, which is probably why I'm paranoid (I guess that's what you can call it) when it comes to a lot of things about the NBA even though I love it.

I like the idea that a bad team that tries hard to win can still be rewarded (Bulls, Portland) over some no heart, tanking, failure pile. Do you really want only the badly mismanaged teams to be rewarded year in and year out (ie Clippers) and watch every #1 pick have their career shaped by such a negative environment?

+1 They should never get rid of the lottery. I think its fair how it is now, other than all the money thats being exchanged behind closed doors. Everyone should know that those doors are closed for a good reason. Stern trys to be the puppet master of the league.

love the lottery though

I honestly think the lottery should have every pick (1-14) up for grabs, using the weighted system of course(25% for the worst team, down to 0.5% for the best team).

Some people think the lottery is rigged when the worst team ends up with the 4th pick, but if you look at the odds it'll tell you otherwise. The worst teams odds are as follows:
1st pick: 25%
2nd pick: 21.5%
3rd pick: 17.7%
4th pick: 35.8%

^ Yeah now go and look at how many times the worst team in the league has landed the #1 pick over the last 2-3 decades... ^

I really feel that the best and most honest way to do it is to take the 16 teams that don't make the playoffs, give them all equal shot at getting #1, and that's it. This would keep teams from tanking.

orangeblobman wrote:I really feel that the best and most honest way to do it is to take the 16 teams that don't make the playoffs, give them all equal shot at getting #1, and that's it. This would keep teams from tanking.

That is the most ridiculous idea for the lottery.
Look at the West and how close it is. A team like Utah, San Antonio, OKC, POR or PHX would have the same chance as the worst teams in the league to get the top picks

The lottery rule is fine. If they let the most losses team win the lottery every year, the league won't be as tough and play to their potential. The lottery to me is just an incentive, it's your fault for being a losing team in the first place. The league feel bad for you, so they give you some incentive( the picks) for next year. It's a priviledge that teams can't ignore. So, it is not the league's fault for your own mistake and therefore, being the worst team in NBA should not be granted #1 automatically or anywhere near 50% chance. Imagine there will be a prodigy next year. Averaging 50pts,20boards and 10assist in college right now. If by being the worst team in the NBA gets you the #1 pick then teams like Lakers or Cavs will try to tank. Adding on to their already talents, who would stop them and it's even more unfair to think about.

Pugsley_2491 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:I really feel that the best and most honest way to do it is to take the 16 teams that don't make the playoffs, give them all equal shot at getting #1, and that's it. This would keep teams from tanking.

That is the most ridiculous idea for the lottery.
Look at the West and how close it is. A team like Utah, San Antonio, OKC, POR or PHX would have the same chance as the worst teams in the league to get the top picks

It will keep teams balling hard and leave it up to randomness. That's all, it's awesome. Be fun. No??