How can we fix the Leaf's

[Crowned]

If we're acquiring Vinny, they'll want a package surrounding atleast Kaberle and Tlusty.

[Tor-Rap-Tor]

If we're acquiring Vinny, they'll want a package surrounding atleast Kaberle and Tlusty.

We are not a good trading partner because they want to dump salary and reduce cap, we have little cap space to play with and would not be able to take on any extra cap, so I guess no deal...

Unless some other team wants to take on cap like Islanders who have about 7 million and wants Brian McCabe and we can take back prospects and draft choices, then we may be able to swing something?...

[Griff83]

No way your going to get the best player in the game for a salary dump and a average goalie. You'd have to put together a awesome package to aquire Lecavalier prolly something like Kaberle, Wellwood and a pick.

[whysoserious]

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If Lecavalier is going on the block, I too would like to get him for sure and as they need a goalie, maybe Raycroft and Sundin but Mats may not waive his NTC and they are not going anywhere in the play-offs. Mats is the only player that would be a salary dump because he is only signed for this year...

Sending a big contract to the Marlies doesn't help the cap unless someone claims him and like someone already said, it only makes that player mad and doesn't help at all when signing UFA's in the future...

Are you sure, because that's not the sense I got from the conversation on HNIC. They made it sound like if a player goes to the Marlies, no matter what the contract doesn't count against the cap while down there.

I understand about future player's signing here but it really is the only way to fix our cap situation. We just have too many guys, making too much money that other teams will not have much interest in.

[whysoserious]

No way your going to get the best player in the game for a salary dump and a average goalie. You'd have to put together a awesome package to aquire Lecavalier prolly something like Kaberle, Wellwood and a pick.

As much as I love Kaberle, I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

Lecavalier is the type of player you can build around and he's still in his prime.

This would be the beginning of a nice overhaul.

[whysoserious]

If we're acquiring Vinny, they'll want a package surrounding atleast Kaberle and Tlusty.

Would you do that? I think I would make this trade too.

[Tor-Rap-Tor]

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Are you sure, because that's not the sense I got from the conversation on HNIC. They made it sound like if a player goes to the Marlies, no matter what the contract doesn't count against the cap while down there.

I understand about future player's signing here but it really is the only way to fix our cap situation. We just have too many guys, making too much money that other teams will not have much interest in.

I'm not a cap expert but it is my understanding that once you have signed a player to a contract, he is on your cap, no matter if you send him down or not but if you send him down and he goes on waivers, he can be claimed by any team and they are on the hook for his salary and he is then off your cap and the team claiming him pays you no compensation...

If you send him down to the minors for a second time, he can be claimed off waivers and the team claiming him pays half his salary and you are on the hook for the other half and it counts against your cap and again there is no compensation...

There is however one clause that is a bit confusing, as in the case of kasparaitis, in that he was shipped to the Russian league and was then taken off the Rangers cap or he may have signed with the Russian league and was then taken off the Rangers cap but either way he isn't on their cap?...

Some players are signed to two way contracts and playing at different levels affects their salaries, they get more if playing for the NHL club than for the minor league team...

If anyone else knows, please enlighten us to the cap mysteries...LOL

[Griff83]

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Would you do that? I think I would make this trade too.

I make this trade without thinking twice.

Lecavalier is the best player in the game right now, does everything on the ice (scores, sets up plays, kills penatlies, fights) and hes just entering his prime.

[emfive]

When a player is sent down and clears waivers he does not count against the cap. (NJ and Mogilny + Philly and ??/ french canadian dude) If you try to recall that player at a later date and another team scoops him then you are on the hook for half that salary. (ie. half his salary counts against your cap)

[emfive]

And that is, as VCdunk stated, is the only way to fix the cap situation. It is only money and does not count against roster cap, unless you decide to bring that dude up again. It is not as easy a fix as one would think. You need NHL ready youngsters to take up places. But if getting a guy like LeCavalier was possible, sending down the contracts of Raycroft and Tucker and sending back a player like Kubina to TB will easily do the salary cap trick. But of course you would have to pray (probably a pilgrimage to the Holy land would do the trick ) that you have other players that would interest them.

Though, I am starting to believe that this move might be more of the same old, same old.

[Tor-Rap-Tor]

When a player is sent down and clears waivers he does not count against the cap. (NJ and Mogilny + Philly and ??/ french canadian dude) If you try to recall that player at a later date and another team scoops him then you are on the hook for half that salary. (ie. half his salary counts against your cap)

I can only speak about Mogilny, the reason he was taken off the cap of New Jersey, was because he was injured and it was a long term injury, like for years, if you remember he never came back and so they were given an exemption and could hire players to supplement their team because they would be under the minimum player compliment...

Take the case of Ed Balfour we had to carry him on our cap for a few years, why didn't we just send him to the Marlies, first of all he wouldn't report and secondly it would still count against the cap...

If there is anyone that knows and can give a definitive answer please step up...

[emfive]

Sorry Belfour was before new CBA

And you are wrong abaout Mogilny. They got no injury exemption.There was a huge uproar about how smart Lamorello was about his ability to get under the cap when he was up against it with new contracts coming to key players.

I will look for a link.

[emfive]

Here it is.

Click on section ... Who does not count against the cap.


http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#who_doesnt

[Tor-Rap-Tor]

Here it is.
Click on section ... Who does not count against the cap.
http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#who_doesnt

http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#who_counts

Who counts against the cap?
It depends - are we talking about during the season or in the offseason? Let's cover both scenarios:

DURING THE SEASON
During the season (not the team's season, the League's season), anyone on a team's NHL roster counts against the cap. This includes players on the Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non Roster and Non Roster. It also includes players who have a "bona-fide long-term injury" or LTI as well as players sent to the minors on conditioning assignments and players placed on waivers (until such time that they are assigned). Also included are any deferred salary and bonuses earned as a result of playing in a league year under the new CBA, and any ordinary buyouts. The new CBA lists one other area, but I'll omit it for now unless it happen to take place.

Thanks this site also has this clause (in bold the reference to players waived and sent to the minors)...[/b]

[emfive]

It it clear to me (I think ) that waived players playing in the minors do not count against the cap. But that there is an issue if one attempts to bring them back.

The other issue for the NHL re the cap is that more than a few NHL players are playing in the minors because of salary issues. The result is a watered down product.

How many teams have any real depth at any of their positions? It is a strange sort of equity of poverty.

[Tor-Rap-Tor]

It it clear to me (I think ) that waived players playing in the minors do not count against the cap. But that there is an issue if one attempts to bring them back.

The other issue for the NHL re the cap is that more than a few NHL players are playing in the minors because of salary issues. The result is a watered down product.

How many teams have any real depth at any of their positions? It is a strange sort of equity of poverty.

I've said before, I'm no Capologist and I'm still not sure, if I'm right about the cap hit when a player is sent down but it makes sense, that any player with an NHL contract must be paid and it would wreck havoc to send a player to the AHL and have the farm team pay the hit...

The leafs have plenty of money and could easily have the farm team pay, for say a 5 mill player on their AHL roster but other teams already on the financial brink, could hardly match them and I'm sure when the CBA was drafted, that no team would be given that advantage...

With the resurgence of the Leaf's in recent games, it is becoming a mute point and those over paid players namely on the D, are coming up big in recent games and are proving their worth...So...

Go Leaf's Go!

[whysoserious]

Who doesn't count against the cap?
During the season: Players assigned to the minors - even if on one-way contracts - do not count (as long as they are not on conditioning assignments or fit the condition of 50.5(d)(i)(B)(5) above) as well as players signed to a contract that are in Major Junior hockey or overseas.

Here's the key, if they player is assigned to the minors, he does not count against the cap. Even on a one way NHL contract.

If they clear waivers, are sent down and not on a conditioning assignment, they do not count against your cap.

This is an ideal situation for the Leafs and they should clearly be looking to take advantage of this situation.

The team's looked good during that 4 game winning streak but it really doesn't change my opinion of where this team is at. Only thing that's changed is that I now believe a little bit more in Toskala.

This team is still not a contender and with the guys making the big money on this team for the next few year's is not headed towards being a contender.

They may be a borderline playoff team, but that's what we kind of new about them and to me that's just not good enough as a fan. I'm not looking for a borderline playoff team or middle of the pack team. I'm looking for an elite team and so should Leafs management.

[Tor-Rap-Tor]

Who doesn't count against the cap?
During the season: Players assigned to the minors - even if on one-way contracts - do not count (as long as they are not on conditioning assignments or fit the condition of 50.5(d)(i)(B)(5) above) as well as players signed to a contract that are in Major Junior hockey or overseas.

Here's the key, if they player is assigned to the minors, he does not count against the cap. Even on a one way NHL contract.

If they clear waivers, are sent down and not on a conditioning assignment, they do not count against your cap.

This is an ideal situation for the Leafs and they should clearly be looking to take advantage of this situation.

The team's looked good during that 4 game winning streak but it really doesn't change my opinion of where this team is at. Only thing that's changed is that I now believe a little bit more in Toskala.

This team is still not a contender and with the guys making the big money on this team for the next few year's is not headed towards being a contender.

They may be a borderline playoff team, but that's what we kind of new about them and to me that's just not good enough as a fan. I'm not looking for a borderline playoff team or middle of the pack team. I'm looking for an elite team and so should Leafs management.

Here's an article on Bates Battaglia, who just cleared waivers...

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey ... 7-sun.html

Battaglia's $650,000 US contract for this year and next continue to count against the salary cap

[emfive]

And so he gets sent down for conditioning and does count against the cap. I do not get this move. Hedging against injury and counting on Battaglia to do that is a weak move. Perhaps they are hoping someone picks his salary up on the way back. But then you pay 50% against the cap. Cheap ass move any way you look at it.

[whysoserious]

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He hasn't officially been sent down yet and if it's a conditioning stint than he continues to count against the cap. If they send him down, whatever time he spends down there would not count against the cap.

That's my understanding of reading the rules.