Ferguson Done

Pchu · Post #41 » by **Pchu** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:26 pm

I think MLSE wants it both ways. They want a team to make the playoffs so they can get the playoff money but they don't want to make the step necessary to build a contending team.

A rebuilding team takes time, and sometimes a lot of time. And MLSE doesn't want to rebuild, they always look at their short term goal while forgetting their long term goal. They will make an excuse like 'you can't rebuild in Toronto because the fans won't accept it'.

Peddie's job is to make money, that's his primary goal. So obviously he didn't care about the Leafs as long as the team make the playoffs and make money or CBC/TSN/Sportsnet gives them big TV contract. Everything else is secondary.

I have little faith in them finding a guy who can come in and allow to rebuild without hassle.

Pchu · Post #42 » by **Pchu** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:33 pm

whysoserious wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Only difference is that Peddie is still heavily involved in the hiring process of the next President and GM along with Gord Kirke. Fletcher will have input but is not directly involved in the hiring process. Atleast according to the way it was stated in the press conference.

And based on Peddie's prior record of hires, this still doesn't bode well going forward.

Peddie needed to be removed from all decision making in this process and that still hasn't happened.

With BC's hire, it was a lot of involvement from Tanenbaum. Same thing with Bowman and Peddie put a halt to that 'cause he knew he'd basically have no say. Bowman would tell him to buzz off and that's not what he wants.

I think the BC hire was partly triggered by David Stern, and with some help from Emery. But you are right that Peddie has little and nothing to do with it.

I wonder why Kirke is in on this mix.

Removing Peddie means that he will be out of a job. I have a feeling that he likes to hang around athletes. He isn't around the Raptors anymore, and if the Leafs also kick him out, then why is he even there? He is hanging to his power, whatever is left of it.

The_Child_Prodigy · Post #43 » by **The_Child_Prodigy** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:25 pm

You guys screwed up Ferguson, the toronto media can't deal with rebuilding and with a fringe pick every year you don't get the best talent. The one top 10 pick you had you got a solid goalie with in Toskala but had to take on dead weight in Bell.

He wasn't bad he wasn't great, but he had nothing to deal because he was not allowed to rebuild.

Post #44 » by **MAS** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:25 am

ansoncarter wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

the games will sellout regardless though right?

I think fans would be happy as hell to hear we're rebuilding.

the whole city would be more positive about the leafs imo, especially with the media getting behind it. Those guys have wanted a rebuild for ages. Fans would be reading/hearing about how bright a future we have, instead of how garbage we are and have no future

you still can't say it, look at the scrutiny Babcock got for saying that same thing, and Riccardi for saying he lies to the fans. The image of this team looks bad as it is

Griff83 · Post #45 » by **Griff83** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:08 am

The_Child_Prodigy wrote:You guys screwed up Ferguson, the toronto media can't deal with rebuilding and with a fringe pick every year you don't get the best talent. The one top 10 pick you had you got a solid goalie with in Toskala but had to take on dead weight in Bell.

He wasn't bad he wasn't great, but he had nothing to deal because he was not allowed to rebuild.

That wasnt a top 10 pick.

and JFJ had plenty to deal, he traded away first round picks back to back years.

Post #46 » by **MAS** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:22 am

The_Child_Prodigy wrote:You guys screwed up Ferguson, the toronto media can't deal with rebuilding and with a fringe pick every year you don't get the best talent. The one top 10 pick you had you got a solid goalie with in Toskala but had to take on dead weight in Bell.

He wasn't bad he wasn't great, but he had nothing to deal because he was not allowed to rebuild.

yeah that pick was #13, they traded it with another pick to trade up

The_Child_Prodigy · Post #47 » by **The_Child_Prodigy** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:25 am

Griff83 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That wasnt a top 10 pick.

and JFJ had plenty to deal, he traded away first round picks back to back years.

Oh whoops, I just remembered the Sharks and Leafs swap that resulted in Couture being picked ninth. My bad.

emfive · Post #48 » by **emfive** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:33 am

Ferguson needed to go hard at that board and tell them what he thought. That is the trouble with good management. They always do the right thing. They are team players. If JFJ had been more of a rebel and quit in a public display over the issue of autonomy it would not have been a very considered business move but it would have been the best thing that ever happened to the Leafs.