Jason Williams

[Griff83]

apparently Chicago is willing to deal him seeing they dont really have room for him with Kane, Toews, Havlat, Lang as there powerplay players and thats where he excels. Eklund says the Leafs have interest and a good chance at obtaining him. He was on a point per game pace this season before he got injured and would be a good player to have on a rebuilding team so he could put up nice point totals and they when your ready to contend again you could trade him for something good.

[emfive]

I would not spend any draft pick on him even a 9th. Nor would I offer anyone under 30. Nor would I spend a extra dollar in cap money! Sends the wrong message to other GM's about what you are doing.

[Griff83]

I would not spend any draft pick on him even a 9th. Nor would I offer anyone under 30. Nor would I spend a extra dollar in cap money! Sends the wrong message to other GM's about what you are doing.

are you serious?

He was a very important factor to Chicagos strong start to the season and is a smart player coming from the Red Wings system. I would easily give up a 4th round pick and on where theres no gurantee the player turns out. Its also not like this guy is old hes still relatively young with skill. Rebuilding doesnt mean filling your whole team with draft picks and players under the age of 25 you still need some experianced players to help show the young players the important things about playing in the league.

Williams for a 5th/6th or 7th round pick would be a steal considering he could be a third liner on this team and would excel on the powerplay.

[Crowned]

3rd liner? He'd be on our first line right now.

[Griff83]

3rd liner? He'd be on our first line right now.

Ya your right, which only proves further why we should take a flyer on him. Always a decent idea to buy low on a player whos shown very good offensive skill, is young and is a smart player especially when your giving up a later round pick.

[EnigmaticProblem]

At his age, considering the injury, and the relatively trivial production that precedes, I'd rather leave him alone. That's just me. . .

[emfive]

You are not wrong about his play. I just wouldn't bother giving up even a maybe for him. I would not want another GM thinking for a minute we would be willing to give up anything for temporary help.

[Griff83]

You are not wrong about his play. I just wouldn't bother giving up even a maybe for him. I would not want another GM thinking for a minute we would be willing to give up anything for temporary help.

Honestly the Leafs arent going to go into full tank where they trade off players like Mats, Kubina and others to put a **** team on the ice next year. Even though we dont have the pieces to perform a Philly like rebuild on the fly I would bet thats what MLSE is going to try. I think they are going to make some trades to bring back some immediate talent, hope to pry the top pick and see if thats enough, even though im ok with this team stinking for 2 more years.

Williams is a decent player, not that old and could be had for cheap.

[emfive]

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Honestly the Leafs arent going to go into full tank where they trade off players like Mats, Kubina and others to put a **** team on the ice next year. Even though we dont have the pieces to perform a Philly like rebuild on the fly I would bet thats what MLSE is going to try. I think they are going to make some trades to bring back some immediate talent, hope to pry the top pick and see if thats enough, even though im ok with this team stinking for 2 more years.

Williams is a decent player, not that old and could be had for cheap.

I think I may have overstated my argument against WIlliams. I guess my point of view rises from the fact I do not wish to have Fletcher making any decisions on the team's future direction. But thinking again, you are right about Williams. It is not like this will be a large move in direction and there is no doubt he might be a good fit going forward in terms of dollars and skills.

I sure hope you are wrong about the team direction although I get the awful sinking feeling that you are right about that as well.

[Griff83]

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I think I may have overstated my argument against WIlliams. I guess my point of view rises from the fact I do not wish to have Fletcher making any decisions on the team's future direction. But thinking again, you are right about Williams. It is not like this will be a large move in direction and there is no doubt he might be a good fit going forward in terms of dollars and skills.

I sure hope you are wrong about the team direction although I get the awful sinking feeling that you are right about that as well.

With the heavy talk about Mats signing a extension it sure looks like it.

[MAS]

Jason Williams is pretty good, he's hurt right now as far I know which is why he isn't playing and also gave some more of the young Chicago players a chance in his absence. Which is also why Chicago probably think they can trade him now.

They're looking to sell high here so I'm not sure we have the assets to bring someone like him in

[Griff83]

Jason Williams is pretty good, he's hurt right now as far I know which is why he isn't playing and also gave some more of the young Chicago players a chance in his absence. Which is also why Chicago probably think they can trade him now.

They're looking to sell high here so I'm not sure we have the assets to bring someone like him in

It wouldnt take that much to get him.

[emfive]

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With the heavy talk about Mats signing a extension it sure looks like it.

Signing Mats to an extension is the sort of counter intuitive thing that might work. As long as you can get something good for Kaberle et al.

The way I see it I would rather keep Kubina who might not garner much anyway and try to get something for Kaberle/McCabe/Gill and whoever else but not Carlo. That dude is the best guy they have in the blueline corps. When he takes his man out he rubs him right out. Keeps his feet moving and stays in front of the player. Kaberle is a little bump and let the guy past. Kubina on the other hand is willing to give up his body. Kaberle ... not so much.

On the forward line anybody over 26 can go! Mats and a couple of well placed FA's will provide all the leadership help they need in 2 years. I would rather have Mats in that room than anyone else.

Besides which Mats truly has them over a barrel. He can refuse the trade and not sign next year. The others have too much invested in salary coming to them and are not quite old enough to call it a day.

[emfive]

PS As I see it the Leafs have the other no trade lads over the proverbial barrel to a certain degree. Especially Tucker. He doesn't want a trade. Send him down. Then when you recall him if someone picks him up he must go or forego his salary. And then you are on the hook for only 50%. He would be the perfect guy as the object lesson.

[Griff83]

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Signing Mats to an extension is the sort of counter intuitive thing that might work. As long as you can get something good for Kaberle et al.

The way I see it I would rather keep Kubina who might not garner much anyway and try to get something for Kaberle/McCabe/Gill and whoever else but not Carlo. That dude is the best guy they have in the blueline corps. When he takes his man out he rubs him right out. Keeps his feet moving and stays in front of the player. Kaberle is a little bump and let the guy past. Kubina on the other hand is willing to give up his body. Kaberle ... not so much.

On the forward line anybody over 26 can go! Mats and a couple of well placed FA's will provide all the leadership help they need in 2 years. I would rather have Mats in that room than anyone else.

Besides which Mats truly has them over a barrel. He can refuse the trade and not sign next year. The others have too much invested in salary coming to them and are not quite old enough to call it a day.

If Mats stays then Kaberle goes because if not I dont see how this thing is going to be turned around seeing outside of those two we dont really have many valuable assets.

[emfive]

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If Mats stays then Kaberle goes because if not I dont see how this thing is going to be turned around seeing outside of those two we dont really have many valuable assets.

Agree 100%. My thing is I prefer Kubina's play of late to Kaberle. Someone could honesty argue I was nuts and probably could kill my comments with stats. It is just the feeling I have been left with. I would also try to trade McCabe. I wonder if either or both of the NY teams might be very interested. I am sure he would be willing to go there.

[Crowned]

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Agree 100%. My thing is I prefer Kubina's play of late to Kaberle. Someone could honesty argue I was nuts and probably could kill my comments with stats. It is just the feeling I have been left with. I would also try to trade McCabe. I wonder if either or both of the NY teams might be very interested. I am sure he would be willing to go there.

You're not nuts. Statistically Kaberle has been the more effective player this year. However, I think Kubina has been our best defenseman, and is absolutely worth the money he's recieving.