What can we get for McCabe and/or Kubina?

[CPT]

I think most people would agree that we have way too much money tied up between these two guys, neither one of which are a franchise #1 defenseman type. We kind of have 3 #2 defensemen, with Kaberle being the best of the bunch. McCabe has that no-trade clause, which makes things difficult, but there have been rumblings that he didn't really want to come back anyway, but got such a sweetheart deal he couldn't say no. So he may be open to trades to certain teams, specifically the Islanders, but maybe other teams in the NY area as well.

Anyway, the best idea I've heard so far for a McCabe trade is to the Islanders for Alexei Yashin, which is not all that appealing. The only reason it would even be considered is because Yashin could be sent to the minors and not count against the NHL cap, but that scenario obviously has it's problems as well.

Kubina, on the other hand, can be traded anywhere, but probably has a lower value around the league. There was talk of Edmonton looking to acquire him, and I'm not sure who else had interest in him as a free agent, but you can find a home for anyone if you try hard enough.

So, are we stuck with these two guys, or are there any trades out there that would return some value (or even just cap room) for one or both (not in the same trade obviously)?

[Crowned]

For McCabe, a trade with the Islanders wouldn't be easy to accomplish. Assuming the Islanders would take his salary, that he has some trade value, I'd love to get Jeff Tambellini in return. However, since Yashin is their only true large contract with minimal value, finding a package would be difficult.

I don't really like creating trades off the top of my head, because
a) We don't know the true worth of a player in the market
b) We don't know what a team wants, unless a GM publically states it
c) We don't know the available/untouchable players throughout the league

With Edmonton and Kubina, I'd love to acquire one of their young players. They're starting to build quite the foundation, and have many attractive players. With that said, are they going to officially rebuild? Are they going to flip the youth they have and turn them into players of Kubina's stature, or are they going to head into games WITH their youth and expect to win hockey games?

Trading one of McCabe/Kubina would be ideal, with Kubina being the greatest possibility out of the two. It's essential that one of them leaves this offseason, because we're simply spending too much on our defensive unit.

The team needs a shutdown defenseman, much like a Brandon Witt from the Islanders.

[CPT]

I don't really like creating trades off the top of my head, because
a) We don't know the true worth of a player in the market
b) We don't know what a team wants, unless a GM publically states it
c) We don't know the available/untouchable players throughout the league

Yeah, that's why I didn't suggest any myself .

I was hoping some more knowledgeable hockey fans could get the ball rolling, but it's not as easy to make up trades in hockey with the bigger rosters. I couldn't tell you the third and fourth lines for any team in the league, and I might struggle even with the top ones.

We need an NHL trade checker, stat!

[Griff83]

Im sure teams are just lineing up to trade for Kubina and his 5 million a year contract. He could very well be the most overpaid player in the entire league (he's worth around 3 million, just what Jay Feaster offered him this offseason). They replaced him with Kuba for 3 million and put up almost identical stats that Kubina did fir the Bolts and is a much better skater.

Theres going to have to be added incentive along with Kubina (draft picks) for anyteam to take on his contract.

[raptors4life]

With Sheldon Souray expected to demand 7 mil on the open market... don't be so sure that there will not be a market for Kubina or McCabe.. maybe the losers in the Souray sweepstakes will have interest.. Souray is just a big shot, the same as Mccabe .. McCabe is making a lot less than 7 mil.. The problem is both McCabe and Kubina have no trade clauses.

[Griff83]

With Sheldon Souray expected to demand 7 mil on the open market... don't be so sure that there will not be a market for Kubina or McCabe.. maybe the losers in the Souray sweepstakes will have interest.. Souray is just a big shot, the same as Mccabe .. McCabe is making a lot less than 7 mil.. The problem is both McCabe and Kubina have no trade clauses.

Souray is crazy to think he will get anywhere close to 7 million. No matter what he gets , no one is going to trade for Kubina and his horrid contract. He is currently a top 10 paid defencemen in the league and he's lucky to be a top 25 defensive talent. This is the worst move JFJ has made so far and is going to cripple our cap situation going forward and tie our hands in being able to add some playmakers up front.

[Crowned]

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Souray is crazy to think he will get anywhere close to 7 million. No matter what he gets , no one is going to trade for Kubina and his horrid contract. He is currently a top 10 paid defencemen in the league and he's lucky to be a top 25 defensive talent. This is the worst move JFJ has made so far and is going to cripple our cap situation going forward and tie our hands in being able to add some playmakers up front.

Teams inquired about Kubina before the deadline...his contract is moveable.

[Griff83]

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Teams inquired about Kubina before the deadline...his contract is moveable.

you got some sort of link to prove this?

Like I said any team that is willing to take on that albatross will want some incentive in terms of picks coming back with Kubina.

[Crowned]

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you got some sort of link to prove this?

Like I said any team that is willing to take on that albatross will want some incentive in terms of picks coming back with Kubina.

There were several Kubina to Edmonton rumours approaching the deadline. There was also discussion about teams expressing interest on the radio and television. Can I find a link to a discussion on the radio? No I can't.

[pspot]

A deal based around McCabe to the Islanders for Satan makes sense is fair for both sides

Then use the cap space to re-sign Peca and bring in Hartnell and Garon

Move Antro or Stajan for a D man i.e. Brewer or McKee from Stl

Satan/Sundin/Poni
Hartnell/Welly/Steen
Tucker/Peca/Stajan
Kilger/Dev/Pohl

Kabs/Kubs
Coliacovo/Mckee
White/Gill

Razor
Garon

[Griff83]

A deal based around McCabe to the Islanders for Satan makes sense is fair for both sides

Then use the cap space to re-sign Peca and bring in Hartnell and Garon

Move Antro or Stajan for a D man i.e. Brewer or McKee from Stl

Satan/Sundin/Poni
Hartnell/Welly/Steen
Tucker/Peca/Stajan
Kilger/Dev/Pohl

Kabs/Kubs
Coliacovo/Mckee
White/Gill

Razor
Garon

first of all that wouldnt work, too much money coming back this way and second your crazy if you think a team is going to give up a blueliner of Brewer or Mckee's level for Antropov(free agent) or Stajan.

[Crowned]

Why wouldn't it work? McCabe makes more than Satan, and we'd have to absorb salary from the Islanders for them to take McCabe. Satan would be a good fit next to Sundin as a quick solution.

I can guarantee the Blues would deal complete a McKee for Stajan type of deal. They know they overpaid for him, and would take the younger, cheaper player in Stajan. To be honest, I'd be a little reluctant to pick up McKee, just because of that contract...and I don't even like Stajan.

[Griff83]

Explain to me how were going to be able to

a.)resign Peca
b.)Sign Garon
c.)Take on Mckee's salary (4 million)
d.)sign Hartnell
e.)trade McCabe for Satan

we dont have enough available cap space to accomplish what that poster said.

[kelso]

Elliott Friedman had some radical sugestions on how to rid the Leafs of McCabe, fix the team (even for short term) and get salary cap room:

1. Trade McCabe to Islanders for Yashin. McCabe's wife wanted to go there anyways and he'll probably rescind his no-trade to do it. You get Yashin who will either wake up and be decent alongside Sundin, or is he can't find his form of a few years ago, you send him to the Marlies.

2. Yashin's contract doens't have a "No AHL" clause like McCabe so although you still have to pay him (something MLSE can afford to do) it won't count against the cap- instant cap space.

3. Sing Cujo to a 1 yr/$750k. He will be insurance if Raycroft can't find his form, but at least he can push Raycroft becuase he can play. Not to mention the mentoring factor and he's a corwd favorite.

I'd do all of this.

[NeverGoingToWin]

Elliott Friedman had some radical sugestions on how to rid the Leafs of McCabe, fix the team (even for short term) and get salary cap room:

1. Trade McCabe to Islanders for Yashin. McCabe's wife wanted to go there anyways and he'll probably rescind his no-trade to do it. You get Yashin who will either wake up and be decent alongside Sundin, or is he can't find his form of a few years ago, you send him to the Marlies.

2. Yashin's contract doens't have a "No AHL" clause like McCabe so although you still have to pay him (something MLSE can afford to do) it won't count against the cap- instant cap space.

3. Sing Cujo to a 1 yr/$750k. He will be insurance if Raycroft can't find his form, but at least he can push Raycroft becuase he can play. Not to mention the mentoring factor and he's a corwd favorite.

I'd do all of this.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/hockey/viewtopic.php?t=313

[kelso]

thanks.

[pspot]

Explain to me how were going to be able to

a.)resign Peca
b.)Sign Garon
c.)Take on Mckee's salary (4 million)
d.)sign Hartnell
e.)trade McCabe for Satan

we dont have enough available cap space to accomplish what that poster said.

my understanding is the leafs have about 10 mil in cap space (could be wrong im not a big fan)

your order is wrong


e.)trade McCabe for Satan - 3 mill
d.)sign Hartnell sign Hartnell for + 4
c.)Take on Mckee's salary (4 million) (minus 1mill form trade of Antro) thats + 3
a.)resign Peca - signs for + 3
b.)Sign Garon - signs for + 3
= 10

Priority 1 trade McCabe, sign Hartnell, trade for Mckee, sign Peca, then back up goalie with what is left

NYI probably wouldnt do it, well at least not with taking on 3 more mill in salary but any of those moves would be a step in the right direction

[kelso]

McCabe for Satan....did I miss something- was this discussed somewhere?

[Crowned]

McCabe for Satan....did I miss something- was this discussed somewhere?

No. We're trying to find reasonable ways to deal McCabe.

[kelso]

Ah- got it.

What about one of the expensive goalies in the Western conference? Doens't San Jose and Anneheim have 1 & 1a goalie situatons? I think Giguere is at 4 mil (but he might be unrestricted) and Nabokov is at 5 mil for another few years at least.